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General Chat / Re: July is REGGIE MONTH!
« on: July 02, 2008, 04:02:13 AM »
I guess I can spare a minute of photoshop editing for a good cause . . .
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General Gaming / Re: Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
« on: June 13, 2008, 10:20:29 PM »
A 45 minute cut scene? ....
Meh.
Meh.
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: June 06, 2008, 01:45:48 AM »
Positive Zala (to my dismay) and yeah I can't wait for RE5 either ::glee:: still a shame it won't be on the Wii.
and I'll have to give those games a try Mr. Jack =)
and I'll have to give those games a try Mr. Jack =)
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General Gaming / Re: The smartest person on the Internet
« on: June 04, 2008, 08:19:11 AM »
The future is always uncertain, markets can always change and all it takes is another new idea to swing the pendulum in someone else's favor.
It's too early to declare certain things are/will be dead yet.
It's too early to declare certain things are/will be dead yet.
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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is Donkey Konga worth it now?
« on: June 03, 2008, 07:40:06 AM »
Oh wow that's actually a female? I thought it was a guy in drag or something when I saw it on Kotaku. Christ . . .
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General Gaming / Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
« on: June 02, 2008, 07:14:55 PM »
Thanks Kairon =D Ricolas work wonders (though my bag is slowly depleting!!!)
insanolord as always it's a pleasure to read your points and I agree with you.
RE:4 and Metroid are great examples of how the wiimote as a pointer works fantastic =)
So much so that it pains me RE:5 won't be making its way to the Wii =(
The grappling beam is a great example of how new controls work really well and in this case it didn't feel like waggle at all.
It's fair to say that its unfair of me to judge the Wii unworthy of winning thing gen and indeed the industry isn't fair . . . but of course you knew my one weakness and brought up the DC ::tears::
Kairons sig makes this all the more better haha
insanolord as always it's a pleasure to read your points and I agree with you.
RE:4 and Metroid are great examples of how the wiimote as a pointer works fantastic =)
So much so that it pains me RE:5 won't be making its way to the Wii =(
The grappling beam is a great example of how new controls work really well and in this case it didn't feel like waggle at all.
It's fair to say that its unfair of me to judge the Wii unworthy of winning thing gen and indeed the industry isn't fair . . . but of course you knew my one weakness and brought up the DC ::tears::
Kairons sig makes this all the more better haha
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General Gaming / Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
« on: June 02, 2008, 06:43:14 PM »
It's a good ol' fashioned wall o text battle!
Actually that's probably it for me
I was home 3 days in a row being sick but have fun with it Kairon.
Actually that's probably it for me
I was home 3 days in a row being sick but have fun with it Kairon.
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General Gaming / Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
« on: June 02, 2008, 05:56:55 PM »
"I still enjoy playing 8-bit and 16-bit games. Are they any less fun because they're not in HD or pushing around massive amounts of polygons or bilinear texture mapped? NO~! Graphics are a means to an end, not an end unto themselves. HD isn't anywhere near the massive and catastrophic shift in... anything that most people make it out to be. It's just a clearer picture. Oh wow... I can't believe I played games with a less clear picture before. How did I ever stand such blurry garbage. :p"
You don't have an HDTV do you? If you've read my other posts about it, the 8 bit and 16 bit games still look fine when played on this kind of set. It's the upscaling of polygons and textures that make things less attractive. You seem like you like to settle for things, that's nice. I on the other hand prefer not to have to look at games that look muddy and blurry. If I wanted that I would have got a PS1 or something.
"I'm sorry, you need new glasses."
I don't wear glasses. All I saw was a comparison to jocks and gaming and one to one controls and you crying about even the thought of it. Maybe I'm wrong.
"True 1-to-1 motion control isn't necessarily a good thing. It suddenly makes gaming less about everyone and more about jocks. One of the reasons why I don't participate in sports is because jocks tend to be total jerks and as such, I avoid them. You turn gaming into a jock sport and well, it's dead to me. Of course it's really up to the developer to decide how they want to build the game but if you give them true 1-to-1 control, they're ALL going to want to use it just because none of them are going to want to be looked at as less-than when someone else's game does whether or not it works for their particular title. "
How else do you evolve it beyond increasing the ACTUAL control you get from motion controls?
"And as for online, how is it anything more than playing with someone else sitting right next to you? "
Well, seeing as how I personally know everyone on these forums IRL . . . *face palm* you fail at logic sir.
"I never said they didn't add to gaming, they just don't add much. . ."
Oh?
"As for online and HD, blah, blah, blah. Distractions. I'd rather they worry about something that actually ADDS to gaming."
Something that actually adds to gaming would tend to lead to the thought that the example before that statement does not lead to gaming.
"As for Nintendo revolutionizing their games around the Wii controller... YOU! WON'T! LET! THEM! They completely change Mario to use the Wii controller to the max and you'll say they ruined it, probably without even giving the game a chance. There are so many people out there raging for Nintendo's demise about this whole situation that it's crazy! I told you before, they're being extremely careful for a reason. And that reason is people like you."
Lol surely I am stopping them. No wait . . . I'm not. I want the Wii controller to be used to the max, in a good way. You clearly don't understand the point of my posts. Currently even using the Wii controller to it's max potential can't give the desired results Nintendo is looking for, which is why we haven't seen a full departure from our traditional mario games and such.
You think I am against motion controls but I'm not, I'm against how they are being implemented in games now. Just look up Nintendo and their reasoning for not having "true" sword swings in TP for Wii. Nothing would have been more awesome than swinging to the right and *wosh* my sword goes to the right. Or hell even horizontal and vertical swipes. but no. We get waggle instead.
Again, I'm not preventing Nintendo from this, I am ready to embrace such changes but they haven't come yet. I'm not convinced with their current set up on the Wii that this truly is the revolution gamers were waiting to see.
We are on the same page in terms of this is where games will go. so I won't argue with that. I do think traditional games are here to stay, one way or another as is traditional inputs (weather they aid the motion controlled game or control the entire game).
As for the rest well . . . this is too tiresome lol.
I'm right there in saying the Wii is great for trying something new and that this will evolve further and further. I'm not looking for a perfected system yet either, I'm looking for a system I enjoy playing games on and right now the Wii doesn't have it.
I'm glad you like waggle so much . . . waving a remote blindly and trying to get actions out of it sure is fun right?
You don't have an HDTV do you? If you've read my other posts about it, the 8 bit and 16 bit games still look fine when played on this kind of set. It's the upscaling of polygons and textures that make things less attractive. You seem like you like to settle for things, that's nice. I on the other hand prefer not to have to look at games that look muddy and blurry. If I wanted that I would have got a PS1 or something.
"I'm sorry, you need new glasses."
I don't wear glasses. All I saw was a comparison to jocks and gaming and one to one controls and you crying about even the thought of it. Maybe I'm wrong.
"True 1-to-1 motion control isn't necessarily a good thing. It suddenly makes gaming less about everyone and more about jocks. One of the reasons why I don't participate in sports is because jocks tend to be total jerks and as such, I avoid them. You turn gaming into a jock sport and well, it's dead to me. Of course it's really up to the developer to decide how they want to build the game but if you give them true 1-to-1 control, they're ALL going to want to use it just because none of them are going to want to be looked at as less-than when someone else's game does whether or not it works for their particular title. "
How else do you evolve it beyond increasing the ACTUAL control you get from motion controls?
"And as for online, how is it anything more than playing with someone else sitting right next to you? "
Well, seeing as how I personally know everyone on these forums IRL . . . *face palm* you fail at logic sir.
"I never said they didn't add to gaming, they just don't add much. . ."
Oh?
"As for online and HD, blah, blah, blah. Distractions. I'd rather they worry about something that actually ADDS to gaming."
Something that actually adds to gaming would tend to lead to the thought that the example before that statement does not lead to gaming.
"As for Nintendo revolutionizing their games around the Wii controller... YOU! WON'T! LET! THEM! They completely change Mario to use the Wii controller to the max and you'll say they ruined it, probably without even giving the game a chance. There are so many people out there raging for Nintendo's demise about this whole situation that it's crazy! I told you before, they're being extremely careful for a reason. And that reason is people like you."
Lol surely I am stopping them. No wait . . . I'm not. I want the Wii controller to be used to the max, in a good way. You clearly don't understand the point of my posts. Currently even using the Wii controller to it's max potential can't give the desired results Nintendo is looking for, which is why we haven't seen a full departure from our traditional mario games and such.
You think I am against motion controls but I'm not, I'm against how they are being implemented in games now. Just look up Nintendo and their reasoning for not having "true" sword swings in TP for Wii. Nothing would have been more awesome than swinging to the right and *wosh* my sword goes to the right. Or hell even horizontal and vertical swipes. but no. We get waggle instead.
Again, I'm not preventing Nintendo from this, I am ready to embrace such changes but they haven't come yet. I'm not convinced with their current set up on the Wii that this truly is the revolution gamers were waiting to see.
We are on the same page in terms of this is where games will go. so I won't argue with that. I do think traditional games are here to stay, one way or another as is traditional inputs (weather they aid the motion controlled game or control the entire game).
As for the rest well . . . this is too tiresome lol.
I'm right there in saying the Wii is great for trying something new and that this will evolve further and further. I'm not looking for a perfected system yet either, I'm looking for a system I enjoy playing games on and right now the Wii doesn't have it.
I'm glad you like waggle so much . . . waving a remote blindly and trying to get actions out of it sure is fun right?
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General Gaming / Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
« on: June 02, 2008, 04:15:22 PM »
It's been a while EasyCure sorry I do need to bring the ol' detector into the shop . . .
also what is a FAP? It sounds kinda . . . sexy . . .
I do need to bring the ol' detector into the shop . . .also what is a FAP? It sounds kinda . . . sexy . . .
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General Gaming / Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
« on: June 02, 2008, 03:40:53 PM »
POTY or more Nintendo fanboy-ism at it's best?
"True 1-to-1 motion control isn't necessarily a good thing. It suddenly makes gaming less about everyone and more about jocks. One of the reasons why I don't participate in sports is because jocks tend to be total jerks and as such, I avoid them. You turn gaming into a jock sport and well, it's dead to me. Of course it's really up to the developer to decide how they want to build the game but if you give them true 1-to-1 control, they're ALL going to want to use it just because none of them are going to want to be looked at as less-than when someone else's game does whether or not it works for their particular title. As for online and HD, blah, blah, blah. Distractions. I'd rather they worry about something that actually ADDS to gaming. Online is debatable... barely, but I haven't seen anything I'd call a "killer app" for online yet, from anyone on any platform."
So we don't evolve motion controls and are left with what? WAGGLE. Waggle up to do said action A, waggle down to do said action B, it's the same as pressing a button. Your argument against 1-to-1 is that you want everyone on an equal playing field . . . so no one is better than another person? Why not? I'm sorry but not everyone shares your view on gaming and focusing JUST on that audience leaves a number of us in the dust.
Now you say online and HD are distractions? Really? You mean to tell me you don't feel with a robust online system Brawl would have gotten far longer play time? You don't think that a Pokemon game on the Wii going online wouldn't be something of a big hit? You're just regurgitating what Nintendo tells you you want. Furthermore, don't you think come next gen more and more people are going to have HD sets? I'll tell you what takes away from a game, not being able to play it on *insert HD set here* because it looks like garbage. How is that adding to your experience?
If you want to see a killer online APP (and I have said it time and time and time again) wait for Nintendo to actually make a full scale online pokemon game. Practically everyone on the planet would play it =/.
Online and HD does add to gaming, just because you feel it doesn't it doesn't mean there isn't a market for it.
"MS has only been around for 2 gens so it's hard to say if they're formulaic. But if you look at those 2 gens... what has really changed at all? Nothing. Better graphics. A wireless controller? Can anyone come up with anything else? Sony hasn't even changed their damn controller for THREE generations! Nintendo on the other hand: NES redefines gaming as we know it, SNES refines it. N64 blows open the 3rd dimension, GC refines it. Wii actually lets you "play" games in an appreciable way for the first time. Again, the question now is how are they going to refine it? So far every 2 gens Nintendo has SO shifted gears that everyone else ends up scrambling just to try and catch up. This gen though the change was so drastic that the controller for the Wii doesn't even look like a controller! Where do you go with something like that?
And I'm not even going to respond to your gimmick statement because since the NES I've been trying to get Mario to jump that little bit higher by raising the controller. Motion isn't a gimmick, standard controllers are."
I'm not going to argue that Nintendo doesn't innovate, it does, it's always lead the way in terms of innovation and most companies just copy it. I'm not making that argument, the argument I am making is that this mystical amazing awesome motion controls you're drooling over is nothing more than a GIMMICK. Nintendo HASN'T proven it's new little control set up at all. Yeah is it fun in Wii Sports? You bet! But has Nintendo sat down and revolutionized their games around it? No.
Big deal you tried to get Mario to jump while lifting your controller, I hate to break it to you Mario still jumps with the press of a button. You can waggle your control and he spins though . . . yay . . . true innovation. Motion controls may not be a gimmick but the Wii's current capacity for them sure as heck is. I'm sorry but you can't say standard controllers are a "gimmick" when they have lasted how many years now? Come back and talk to me when "waggle" controls rule the gaming scene for 25 somewhat years.
Will motion controls rule the day someday in the future? More likely than not but not the way Wii uses the Wii-mote.
"But let's compare notes on innovation shall we? What HAS Sony done that is SO innovative? What HAS MS done that is SO innovative? Nothing you say? Right now Nintendo is walking a very fine tightrope. People are bitching as it is that they've gone completely non-gamer. What are they supposed to do? They shift one way, they get bitched at. They shift another, they get bitched at. While Sony and MS continue to ruin gaming by driving up costs astronomically and wedging games into a handful of niche genres. At least Nintendo is doing SOMETHING whether you see it as innovative or not.
And before you start knocking the Wii, how about you look at the PS3 and the 360 for what THEY really are. More of the same of the same of the same with a not-so-fresh coat of paint. Hardly any of the games made today would be impossible to make on the N64 for gods sake! Gaming isn't going anywhere on those two systems. It's just grinding into itself over and over and over again. You say they're keeping traditional gaming alive as if that were a GOOD thing!
Besides, your definition of traditional gaming was considered radical and even unwanted by most gamers when it first appeared. Traditional is just another word for old and dying. It's a buzz phrase used to try and trick people into thinking that just because something has existed previously that it deserves to continue to exist more than what's coming next. In the end traditions die, replaced by something new which later becomes tradition and the cycle starts all over again. In all honesty, you yourself have just shown that the gaming that you care so much about, traditional gaming, is on the way out.
As for lack of good 3rd party games... I've given up on them. 3rd parties will either adapt or die. The ones that die never deserved to exist in the first place even if they are named Capcom, Konami, Namco, etc."
You have to give MS credit in one area, they have the most robust online gaming set up compared to any of the system we have before us today.
Again, I'm not saying Nintendo hasn't innovated more than any other company in the past. It's just this high pedestal they get put on for the Wii isn't as deserving as people make it out to be. Again, name me ONE AAA title Nitnendo made that fully utilizes it's control scheme. Exactly, you can't. Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., they all use a very TRADITIONAL style of control, which you say is dying and old.
So what do we have? Waggle intensive games or point and "click" style adventures? The latter of which has been around since the early days of the PC?
Show me the innovation, please. When you look at it as much as you knock the competition for sticking with the tired and true formula of traditional gaming, Nintendo is doing the EXACT same thing with gimmicky control set ups. Mario Kart Wii is the same old Mario Kart with some new vehicles added and a wheel addon...thing. Wow. Mario Galaxy could be played with a GC controller and no one would notice a difference. Zelda is just a port of the GC game so . . . yeah same thing as Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. begs to be played with CLASSIC TRADITIONAL CONTROLS.
Where is your innovation you speak so highly of for the Wii? I don't see it in their AAA tittles so please show me.
I'm not saying motion controls won't evolve into something much better but WHERE IT STANDs motion control is a GIMMICK on the Wii. Nintendo can't utilize it so why should I expect 3rd parties to?
As for giving up on third parties I've done that once before with the N64, i'd rather not again.
"I don't think it's hard to say how things will turn out. Wii will continue to dominate. The next Sony and MS systems will come out with Wii rip-off controllers just because, you know, it's a gimmicky fad and all. And then, WOW, you'll see good 3rd party games using motion controls... because they won't have to put them on a Nintendo system. Of course by then Nintendo will be light years ahead of the curve once more."
God help us if they rip off the current Wii controllers. Again, motion controls will play a big part in the future of gaming but the Wii RIGHT NOW has Gimmicky controls that don't have practical applications in gaming. You STILL need a traditional button set up to do things in these games.
"Nintendo has proven time and time again that the market has ZERO clue what it really wants. Had Nintendo done what gamers were clamoring for with the Wii they'd be in a distant 3rd place, once again pigeonholed by Sony and MS as the kids system. They'd get a port here and there but the really big name 3rd party games would still skip over the system (see last gen, and the gen before). The point being that Nintendo cannot compete with Sony and MS in the same style market. They'll get slaughtered every time."
I know this, I already stated the same thing. Nintendo tapped into a market that didn't exist and now they phase in money.
"But look at the DS. Nintendo even stated themselves that they didn't expect it to take off. Look at the Wii, and remember all the screaming and crying from almost EVERYONE that they were never going to buy another Nintendo product ever in response to its unveiling. And what happened in the end? The market was wrong. What happened to all the analysts predicting that Nintendo would drop out of hardware after this generation and go software only? Wrong. What's CONTINUING to happen to every single prediction as to how the market is going to play out for the rest of this generation? WRONG!
I understand that you don't like the Wii too much. You're a core traditional gamer. Sorry but Nintendo had to leave you behind for its own good. They couldn't take you telling them how much you love them and then turning around and backhanding them because they're not big enough or rich enough to keep up with the other kids on the block. You're the type of person who made Nintendo who they are today. The type of person making unreasonable demands on a small company when compared to the multi-national-baby-eating-monsters that you expected it to be able to compete with.
To be honest, you only have yourself to blame that you don't like how the Wii turned out."
I only have myself to blame for how the Wii turned out? Really? So supporting Nintendo since DAY ONE of the NES and practically ONLY buying Nintendo products until now is what made the Wii turn out this way. Really?
No my misguided friend, don't question or even begin to point fingers at the end user for how things turned out. Nintendo needed to leave it's followers in the dust? Don't call me out on the kind of person I am without knowing anything about me.
I can easily say the same for you, the BLINDLY DEVOTED FOLLOWERS of Nintendo will cause gaming to become a waggle infested mini-game market for all.
See? That's not too nice now is it.
Sorry but I followed Nintendo nearly all my life and I don't have to be spoon fed what I want (because apparently I don't know what I want right?) by them anymore.
"True 1-to-1 motion control isn't necessarily a good thing. It suddenly makes gaming less about everyone and more about jocks. One of the reasons why I don't participate in sports is because jocks tend to be total jerks and as such, I avoid them. You turn gaming into a jock sport and well, it's dead to me. Of course it's really up to the developer to decide how they want to build the game but if you give them true 1-to-1 control, they're ALL going to want to use it just because none of them are going to want to be looked at as less-than when someone else's game does whether or not it works for their particular title. As for online and HD, blah, blah, blah. Distractions. I'd rather they worry about something that actually ADDS to gaming. Online is debatable... barely, but I haven't seen anything I'd call a "killer app" for online yet, from anyone on any platform."
So we don't evolve motion controls and are left with what? WAGGLE. Waggle up to do said action A, waggle down to do said action B, it's the same as pressing a button. Your argument against 1-to-1 is that you want everyone on an equal playing field . . . so no one is better than another person? Why not? I'm sorry but not everyone shares your view on gaming and focusing JUST on that audience leaves a number of us in the dust.
Now you say online and HD are distractions? Really? You mean to tell me you don't feel with a robust online system Brawl would have gotten far longer play time? You don't think that a Pokemon game on the Wii going online wouldn't be something of a big hit? You're just regurgitating what Nintendo tells you you want. Furthermore, don't you think come next gen more and more people are going to have HD sets? I'll tell you what takes away from a game, not being able to play it on *insert HD set here* because it looks like garbage. How is that adding to your experience?
If you want to see a killer online APP (and I have said it time and time and time again) wait for Nintendo to actually make a full scale online pokemon game. Practically everyone on the planet would play it =/.
Online and HD does add to gaming, just because you feel it doesn't it doesn't mean there isn't a market for it.
"MS has only been around for 2 gens so it's hard to say if they're formulaic. But if you look at those 2 gens... what has really changed at all? Nothing. Better graphics. A wireless controller? Can anyone come up with anything else? Sony hasn't even changed their damn controller for THREE generations! Nintendo on the other hand: NES redefines gaming as we know it, SNES refines it. N64 blows open the 3rd dimension, GC refines it. Wii actually lets you "play" games in an appreciable way for the first time. Again, the question now is how are they going to refine it? So far every 2 gens Nintendo has SO shifted gears that everyone else ends up scrambling just to try and catch up. This gen though the change was so drastic that the controller for the Wii doesn't even look like a controller! Where do you go with something like that?
And I'm not even going to respond to your gimmick statement because since the NES I've been trying to get Mario to jump that little bit higher by raising the controller. Motion isn't a gimmick, standard controllers are."
I'm not going to argue that Nintendo doesn't innovate, it does, it's always lead the way in terms of innovation and most companies just copy it. I'm not making that argument, the argument I am making is that this mystical amazing awesome motion controls you're drooling over is nothing more than a GIMMICK. Nintendo HASN'T proven it's new little control set up at all. Yeah is it fun in Wii Sports? You bet! But has Nintendo sat down and revolutionized their games around it? No.
Big deal you tried to get Mario to jump while lifting your controller, I hate to break it to you Mario still jumps with the press of a button. You can waggle your control and he spins though . . . yay . . . true innovation. Motion controls may not be a gimmick but the Wii's current capacity for them sure as heck is. I'm sorry but you can't say standard controllers are a "gimmick" when they have lasted how many years now? Come back and talk to me when "waggle" controls rule the gaming scene for 25 somewhat years.
Will motion controls rule the day someday in the future? More likely than not but not the way Wii uses the Wii-mote.
"But let's compare notes on innovation shall we? What HAS Sony done that is SO innovative? What HAS MS done that is SO innovative? Nothing you say? Right now Nintendo is walking a very fine tightrope. People are bitching as it is that they've gone completely non-gamer. What are they supposed to do? They shift one way, they get bitched at. They shift another, they get bitched at. While Sony and MS continue to ruin gaming by driving up costs astronomically and wedging games into a handful of niche genres. At least Nintendo is doing SOMETHING whether you see it as innovative or not.
And before you start knocking the Wii, how about you look at the PS3 and the 360 for what THEY really are. More of the same of the same of the same with a not-so-fresh coat of paint. Hardly any of the games made today would be impossible to make on the N64 for gods sake! Gaming isn't going anywhere on those two systems. It's just grinding into itself over and over and over again. You say they're keeping traditional gaming alive as if that were a GOOD thing!
Besides, your definition of traditional gaming was considered radical and even unwanted by most gamers when it first appeared. Traditional is just another word for old and dying. It's a buzz phrase used to try and trick people into thinking that just because something has existed previously that it deserves to continue to exist more than what's coming next. In the end traditions die, replaced by something new which later becomes tradition and the cycle starts all over again. In all honesty, you yourself have just shown that the gaming that you care so much about, traditional gaming, is on the way out.
As for lack of good 3rd party games... I've given up on them. 3rd parties will either adapt or die. The ones that die never deserved to exist in the first place even if they are named Capcom, Konami, Namco, etc."
You have to give MS credit in one area, they have the most robust online gaming set up compared to any of the system we have before us today.
Again, I'm not saying Nintendo hasn't innovated more than any other company in the past. It's just this high pedestal they get put on for the Wii isn't as deserving as people make it out to be. Again, name me ONE AAA title Nitnendo made that fully utilizes it's control scheme. Exactly, you can't. Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., they all use a very TRADITIONAL style of control, which you say is dying and old.
So what do we have? Waggle intensive games or point and "click" style adventures? The latter of which has been around since the early days of the PC?
Show me the innovation, please. When you look at it as much as you knock the competition for sticking with the tired and true formula of traditional gaming, Nintendo is doing the EXACT same thing with gimmicky control set ups. Mario Kart Wii is the same old Mario Kart with some new vehicles added and a wheel addon...thing. Wow. Mario Galaxy could be played with a GC controller and no one would notice a difference. Zelda is just a port of the GC game so . . . yeah same thing as Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. begs to be played with CLASSIC TRADITIONAL CONTROLS.
Where is your innovation you speak so highly of for the Wii? I don't see it in their AAA tittles so please show me.
I'm not saying motion controls won't evolve into something much better but WHERE IT STANDs motion control is a GIMMICK on the Wii. Nintendo can't utilize it so why should I expect 3rd parties to?
As for giving up on third parties I've done that once before with the N64, i'd rather not again.
"I don't think it's hard to say how things will turn out. Wii will continue to dominate. The next Sony and MS systems will come out with Wii rip-off controllers just because, you know, it's a gimmicky fad and all. And then, WOW, you'll see good 3rd party games using motion controls... because they won't have to put them on a Nintendo system. Of course by then Nintendo will be light years ahead of the curve once more."
God help us if they rip off the current Wii controllers. Again, motion controls will play a big part in the future of gaming but the Wii RIGHT NOW has Gimmicky controls that don't have practical applications in gaming. You STILL need a traditional button set up to do things in these games.
"Nintendo has proven time and time again that the market has ZERO clue what it really wants. Had Nintendo done what gamers were clamoring for with the Wii they'd be in a distant 3rd place, once again pigeonholed by Sony and MS as the kids system. They'd get a port here and there but the really big name 3rd party games would still skip over the system (see last gen, and the gen before). The point being that Nintendo cannot compete with Sony and MS in the same style market. They'll get slaughtered every time."
I know this, I already stated the same thing. Nintendo tapped into a market that didn't exist and now they phase in money.
"But look at the DS. Nintendo even stated themselves that they didn't expect it to take off. Look at the Wii, and remember all the screaming and crying from almost EVERYONE that they were never going to buy another Nintendo product ever in response to its unveiling. And what happened in the end? The market was wrong. What happened to all the analysts predicting that Nintendo would drop out of hardware after this generation and go software only? Wrong. What's CONTINUING to happen to every single prediction as to how the market is going to play out for the rest of this generation? WRONG!
I understand that you don't like the Wii too much. You're a core traditional gamer. Sorry but Nintendo had to leave you behind for its own good. They couldn't take you telling them how much you love them and then turning around and backhanding them because they're not big enough or rich enough to keep up with the other kids on the block. You're the type of person who made Nintendo who they are today. The type of person making unreasonable demands on a small company when compared to the multi-national-baby-eating-monsters that you expected it to be able to compete with.
To be honest, you only have yourself to blame that you don't like how the Wii turned out."
I only have myself to blame for how the Wii turned out? Really? So supporting Nintendo since DAY ONE of the NES and practically ONLY buying Nintendo products until now is what made the Wii turn out this way. Really?
No my misguided friend, don't question or even begin to point fingers at the end user for how things turned out. Nintendo needed to leave it's followers in the dust? Don't call me out on the kind of person I am without knowing anything about me.
I can easily say the same for you, the BLINDLY DEVOTED FOLLOWERS of Nintendo will cause gaming to become a waggle infested mini-game market for all.
See? That's not too nice now is it.
Sorry but I followed Nintendo nearly all my life and I don't have to be spoon fed what I want (because apparently I don't know what I want right?) by them anymore.
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General Gaming / Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
« on: June 02, 2008, 01:53:28 AM »Trying to figure out what Nintendo is up to at this point in the game would be like trying to answer the great and evil "am I pretty?" question, which I was asked this evening and when I said yes she still got mad at me! Nintendo does have a habit of innovate then refine, as was already stated. But how are they going to refine the Wii controller? True 1-to-1 motion control? More added motion sensors? Rip off the EyeToy? (Nintendo more than deserves to be able to ape some of Sony's or MS' ideas because honestly, they'd be able to do so much more with it anyway.) There's a number of different directions they could go. They're not going to be just adding more buttons or another stick to their next controller.
Trying to figure out what Sony and MS are up to is basically formulaic. Bigger, faster, stronger, with X-Trol3© or TWELVEAXIS©. More computer like features, the next-gen optical media format and whatever else non-game related crap they can squeeze into the thing without having to cut out the actual gaming feature of the system all together, even though Sony's already started to do that this generation.
More or less, the markets are going to diverge. Nintendo will continue the gaming only focus supplemented with features than enhance but don't detract from that focus while Sony and MS will FINALLY break away from gaming and meld into their set-top-box market and QUIT SCREWING UP GAMES for the most part. Of course they probably won't shift gaming to the back burner completely for another generation or two but by the time the PS6 comes out I doubt anyone's going to notice or care whether it plays video games at all.
Probably by the time the XBox129600 and the PS4 come out most developers won't even be able to afford to make games for them anyway. Listen to all the bitching, whining and complaining that's going on right now as it is from 3rd parties. Does anyone honestly believe that Sony or MS are actually going to listen and decide to slow down in their relentless pursuit of technological 1upmanship? The one that does will get creamed by the other. They've basically forced themselves into a hardware cold war and there's only one way it's going to end.
Yeowza . . . well lets start from the top.
True 1-to-1 motion control is the next logical refinement step. I'd go as far to say if this isn't in Nintendo's next console I really don't see a point to buying it. Maybe throw in an online set up the makes sense and include an ethernet port and HD output for good measure. That would be nice.
Sony and MS is pretty forulaic, but so was Nintendo up until the Wii. Nintendo just made the smart move and realized they had no chance in hell with competing with MS and Sony in a "graphical arms" sort of war and decided to innovate and got lucky with their gimmicky wii system . . . ANYWAY. Do you really think Sony and MS will break away from gaming? How are they "screwing up games"? Do you really think people won't notice?
I'm sorry but lets face it, competition is a good thing. It always has been and always will be. As much as I appreciate Nintendo a Nintendo only gaming world would, well, suck. Developers only putting out content for one system is just disastrous for reasons that should be obvious.
More to the point though, what HAS Nintendo done that is SO innovative with the Wii? Let's just get right down to the nitty gritty shall we? At the end of the day the Wii has ONE block buster title that strictly needed the Wii's motion controls. Wii Sports. That's it. Please name me another AAA title that Nintendo has published for the Wii that requires the Wiimote? Zelda? Mario? Metroid? Smash? Mario Kart?
Nintendo itself can't even muster up force to use it's own "innovative" remote in it's main bread and butter games. Wario Ware smooth moves is all that comes to mind that "needs" the remote because of it's minigames and how they are set up. Woopie. All those other AAA titles could be played just the same, if not better with a classic controller.
So before we start knocking the other systems lets be honest about where the Wii stands right now. It's a gimmicky system with a gimmicky set up that has won the hearts of new or "casual" gamers for it's ease of use. It has a plethora of crappy carnival mini-game-esk type games from third parties and lacks the graphical power to get the ports of AAA 3rd party games that are on the 360 or the PS3.
Are development costs cheaper on the Wii? Sure but who gives a damn when we don't get any 3rd party games that are worth playing. Well to be fair there are some but they are few and far between.
PS3 and the 360 are keeping traditional gaming alive and not masking it with a waggle type control scheme.
It's hard to say how things will end up in the end but I think it is safe to say the Wii will be the winner this generation. Does it deserve it? No, not by a long shot. Do I have hopes that the Wii's successor will be able to TRULY revolutionize gaming? Absolutely. (Any system that can provide a great 1-to-1 motion control light saber game will have my <3 forever).
In the end Nintendo needs to deliver more to it's loyal fan base and LISTEN to what their gamer market wants so their system can truly be for everyone. Not the system that I play once a year =/
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: June 01, 2008, 09:13:40 AM »
So far my online experience on the 360 has been lag free.
The "Free" online play Nintendo offers fails in comparison as does their friend system. 50 dollars a year to not have to deal with that is something I would gladly pay for.
As for my HDTV everyone is knocking it's one of the best on the market so it's hardly a bad choice =P Things are far more pixelated and blurry than on a standard def TV set for most of the Wii games. Which is sad because these games looked so good on a standard set and now they just look meh.
I dunno what size HD sets you guys have but on a 32" the graphics take a considerable hit even with the best cables for the Wii.
The "Free" online play Nintendo offers fails in comparison as does their friend system. 50 dollars a year to not have to deal with that is something I would gladly pay for.
As for my HDTV everyone is knocking it's one of the best on the market so it's hardly a bad choice =P Things are far more pixelated and blurry than on a standard def TV set for most of the Wii games. Which is sad because these games looked so good on a standard set and now they just look meh.
I dunno what size HD sets you guys have but on a 32" the graphics take a considerable hit even with the best cables for the Wii.
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 30, 2008, 08:47:02 PM »
I have the best possible cables for the Wii it helps a bit but not a tremendous amount.
I suck at Halo but I am always up for a match =D and online co-op is something I am down for
I suck at Halo but I am always up for a match =D and online co-op is something I am down for
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 29, 2008, 01:59:33 AM »
LOL I love Kairon =)
I'd go as far to say that farcry is my favorite Wii game
I'd go as far to say that farcry is my favorite Wii game
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 29, 2008, 01:55:33 AM »
Just about every post in this thread makes you seem angry . . . maybe it's just me.
Survey says?
Survey says?
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 29, 2008, 01:51:28 AM »
I don't really have a said favorite yet. I'm playing a lot of everything.
I love how upset you are though lol does GP hate fun?
I love how upset you are though lol does GP hate fun?
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 29, 2008, 01:46:31 AM »
When did I say it is my favorite game or say it was next gen?
GP continues to make arguments where none exist. =(
Kairon continues to make me lol though =D
GP continues to make arguments where none exist. =(
Kairon continues to make me lol though =D
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 29, 2008, 01:39:10 AM »
GP misunderstands statements yet again =P
(though it is more next gen than any wii game, it is in HD afterall . . . BAZING!)
(though it is more next gen than any wii game, it is in HD afterall . . . BAZING!)
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 29, 2008, 01:34:38 AM »
I'll have to check that out Kairon =) and mayhaps I'll pop in wind waker to give it a look . . . for old time sake
As for pacman CE, the goal of the game is so different than the original that it makes it feel like a different game. It's tweaked gameplay and overall set up of how the stages and each mode work make it super fun, for me at least.
You cant say it's pacman with not much new because it really is a new take on an old game.
Yeah you are still eating little yellow balls and ghosts are chasing after you but the timed basis of each match and how it plays our are entirely different from the stagnant levels of old and the original goal of just clearing the stage is long gone.
As for pacman CE, the goal of the game is so different than the original that it makes it feel like a different game. It's tweaked gameplay and overall set up of how the stages and each mode work make it super fun, for me at least.
You cant say it's pacman with not much new because it really is a new take on an old game.
Yeah you are still eating little yellow balls and ghosts are chasing after you but the timed basis of each match and how it plays our are entirely different from the stagnant levels of old and the original goal of just clearing the stage is long gone.
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 29, 2008, 01:20:41 AM »
Yeah I'm not sure . . .
As for selling my system the more I think about it the more I don't think I will. The games I have downloaded for the VC are more than enough reason to keep it.
The depressing thing about the Wii is that it looks much much worse on my new TV than before, Z:TP for example is near unplayable because it just looks awful. Brawl isn't so bad and galaxy is ok but still, I wish it had HD output more than ever.
The old pixel games still look decent for the most part . . .
As for selling my system the more I think about it the more I don't think I will. The games I have downloaded for the VC are more than enough reason to keep it.
The depressing thing about the Wii is that it looks much much worse on my new TV than before, Z:TP for example is near unplayable because it just looks awful. Brawl isn't so bad and galaxy is ok but still, I wish it had HD output more than ever.
The old pixel games still look decent for the most part . . .
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 29, 2008, 01:02:26 AM »
Thanks and it's hard to say I haven't played COD IV yet TBH =)
I think one of my friends has it, I will try it the next time I am at his house and get back to you.
I think one of my friends has it, I will try it the next time I am at his house and get back to you.
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 29, 2008, 12:20:12 AM »
Also, Pacman CE isn't the 20+ year old arcade version of the game, I recommend checking it out it's a lot of fun.
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 29, 2008, 12:08:16 AM »
Well I just had my first real LIVE experience tonight with some Halo 3 and GTA IV multiplayer with a bunch of people from work, so much fun =D
Voice chat is win.
"Nothing says a great next generation system like one where the best experience is a 20+ year old arcade game."
I didn't say it was the best experience but damn is it fun! Bomberman live is great as well.
I still love the classics and Xbox hits everything right on the head with its great and easy to use presentation and simple, effective and non-crap like online system. It's all about connectivity for me, I like being instantly connected to all of my friends with the system, I like how easy it is to make multiplayer games on LIVE no matter what game it is you pick.
The point of any system is to give the end user a fun experience. Nintendo failed me this gen and MS has succeeded.
Now I am just debating selling my Wii or not . . . still on the fence about it.
Voice chat is win.
"Nothing says a great next generation system like one where the best experience is a 20+ year old arcade game."
I didn't say it was the best experience but damn is it fun! Bomberman live is great as well.
I still love the classics and Xbox hits everything right on the head with its great and easy to use presentation and simple, effective and non-crap like online system. It's all about connectivity for me, I like being instantly connected to all of my friends with the system, I like how easy it is to make multiplayer games on LIVE no matter what game it is you pick.
The point of any system is to give the end user a fun experience. Nintendo failed me this gen and MS has succeeded.
Now I am just debating selling my Wii or not . . . still on the fence about it.
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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Dr. Mario Online RX
« on: May 28, 2008, 09:18:12 PM »
Wow a free demo from Nintendo . . . woopie.
It's backwards to have to re-enter in all the info after you play the demo version.
Why should we feel privileged about a free demo that lasts a week when other consoles have demos of all their downloadable games (for free) that lasts well until you decide to delete it from your system?
I agree with unclebob, the wii is supposed to be simple but this is as "unsimple' as it gets.
I guess it is a little unfair to bash the Wii and it's online service when the foundation that was put in place for it was simply flawed but yeah Nintendo still shouldn't be given a "free pass" on it's online problems just because of the old 'they didn't have to give us *insert feature here*' excuse.
I will be sure to check out Dr. Mario online sometime later this week but for now I want to see more impressions.
It's backwards to have to re-enter in all the info after you play the demo version.
Why should we feel privileged about a free demo that lasts a week when other consoles have demos of all their downloadable games (for free) that lasts well until you decide to delete it from your system?
I agree with unclebob, the wii is supposed to be simple but this is as "unsimple' as it gets.
I guess it is a little unfair to bash the Wii and it's online service when the foundation that was put in place for it was simply flawed but yeah Nintendo still shouldn't be given a "free pass" on it's online problems just because of the old 'they didn't have to give us *insert feature here*' excuse.
I will be sure to check out Dr. Mario online sometime later this week but for now I want to see more impressions.
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General Gaming / Re: I loves me my 360
« on: May 28, 2008, 03:00:41 PM »
I did in the gamertag forum =D (I didn't want to be redundant)
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