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Super Smash Bros. Dreams

Paper Mario & Patch Land

by Tom Malina - April 26, 2013, 3:39 pm PDT

What's better than a man made of paper? What's better than a world made of yarn?

Playable Character Dream

Who: Paper Mario

Few characters could be more self-explanatory in name. Paper Mario is the iconic Italian plumber/platforming hero Mario, but made of paper instead of being his usual human self. 

He exists in an alternate version of the Mushroom Kingdom where other characters and environments are similarly papery, and to date, he has been on a total of four different adventures. While everybody else appears to be much more talkative in this world, Paper Mario remains the silent protagonist, save for "Yippee," "Wahoo," and his other trademark catchphrases.

Why He Deserves A Spot: Without a doubt, the Mario franchise has historically been more strongly represented than any other in the Smash Brothers series. We have seen tributes paid to 2D platformers, 3D platformers, kart racers and various spin-off titles. However, the one sub-section of Mario that has never really received its true recognition in Smash Bros is the forays into RPGs. Super Mario RPG on the SNES kicked it all off, while Mario & Luigi extended its legacy further down the line, but in between that, we got a new take on the venerable mascot. 13 years on from his debut on Nintendo 64, I feel it's about time that Paper Mario earned a chance to shine in the field of brawling.

Naturally, in thinking about a potential fighting game move set, we must draw upon the source material, where Paper Mario is able to truly stand out from regular Mario. Being made of paper, he is capable of changing shape, which could factor heavily into the way he moves. For example, in mid-air, he could transform into a paper airplane, enabling him to glide. Standard attacks, meanwhile, would largely consist of his staple moves from the games: stomping, and smashing his opponent with an oversized hammer.

As for Special moves, Paper Mario has a huge well to draw on, given the many helper characters that have fought by his side (or in the case of Super Paper Mario, the Pixls.) The basic ideas might be kicking out Koopas in shell form or utilising Admiral Bobbery as an explosive, while more specialist use attacks could include summoning Madam Flurrie to push opponents away with a gust of wind. And in reference to his most recent game, one move could see him throw out a sticker, which holds enemies in place momentarily if it sticks to them, creating combo opportunities.

But what about something to make Paper Mario really unique? Something on the level of Pokémon Trainer's stamina mechanic or Olimar's Pikmin management? Well, consider this: in The Thousand Year Door, all battles took place on a stage in front of an audience, and depending on how well you executed moves, the crowd would provide you with buffs or items, or in some cases, they would attempt to injure you. What if you could translate this over to Smash Bros.? Maybe if you carried out attacks in a certain rhythm, or if you used a Taunt, an unseen crowd would, for instance, heal you slightly, or throw you an item, or launch a projectile at the enemy. It would be a tricky thing to balance, but if done right with a risk-reward dynamic, it would make Paper Mario a very interesting and distinct fighter.

First Appearance: Paper Mario (2000, N64)

Latest Appearance: Paper Mario: Sticker Star (2012, 3DS)

Bonus Dream: Stage

Where: Patch Land

Why It Deserves To Be A Stage: Somewhat in keeping with the theme of crafts, we move on from paper craft to fabrics. Patch Land, located inside a sock, is the world where Kirby whipped up a storm in the lovable side-scrolling platformer Kirby's Epic Yarn. It was such an incredible, visually arresting world that it appears Yoshi now wants to revisit it on Wii U. Patch Land, in all its felt-covered, yarn-woven glory, is completely apart from any of the dozens of stages that have shown up in the Smash Bros. series, and that in itself makes for a compelling case as to why it should be a stage.

That said, it wasn't just the way it looked that made Patch Land so fun to run around in; it was the interactivity, the way it felt as though you were actually peeling away the layers of fabric that comprised the landscapes, that really sold the idea. Unquestionably, this element of Patch Land would have to be integral to its inclusion as a stage in a Smash Bros. game. As they did in Epic Yarn, players could yank on loose threads to shift platforms down, wind up spools to raise them back up, tear off tabs to unleash items or foes, and even pull open zippers to totally alter the formation of the entire battle arena. Who wouldn't want to fight on a stage where you could do all of that?

First and Latest Appearance: Kirby's Epic Yarn (2010, Wii)

Talkback

AdrockMarch 29, 2013

I'd be rather surprised if Little Mac wasn't playable in the next Smash Bros. games.

I was never a fan of the Assist Trophies. I felt like they made the Pokeball less special.

I could go on and on over which characters I want and why. I'd love to see the entire Earthbound gang though perhaps that's too much representation for a series that is essentially over and not one of Nintendo's major ones. Paper Mario would be interesting. Dark Samus should have been in Brawl. I think Bayonetta has a reasonably decent chance of making it though the partial nudity and guns could be problematic. Vacuum Luigi should replace regular Luigi, but probably won't. Same with Super Princess Peach. I still think Midna with Wolf Link (or even just Midna) could be awesome.

I wonder who the obscure character is going to be this time. Mike Jones from StarTropics? Anyone from Marvelous: Another Treasure Island? Jumpman? Not Mario, but like the sprite of Jumpman treated as a separate character from Mario.

I'd be surprised if Snake didn't come back, but I wish Nintendo could get Ground Zeroes/Phantom Pain on Wii U so Snake's appearance would mean more. The only original title Snake appeared in on a Nintendo system was Ghost Babel which was awesome, but people barely remember it. I see no reason why Sonic shouldn't come back. I really want Mega Man too. He's the only third party character I absolutely want in the game. I mean, KOS-MOS would be cool and there's some history with Namco and Monolith Soft, but come on, Mega Man is Mega Man.

In terms of gameplay, they need to seriously rethink Final Smashes. I like the idea of them, but I didn't think they were implemented well in Brawl. Some were amazing while others were utterly terrible. There's still a ton of potential there. I'd prefer less hectic stages. It got a bit too crazy in Brawl. Maybe an option to turn off certain hazards per stage. The stage builder also needs a revamp, namely no more generic stages.

Spak-SpangMarch 29, 2013

Well, I will start the ball rolling on the community side of things.  What I want to see from a new Smash Bros.


1) Simple Stages designed around one gimmick or stage feature.  No moving stages...because those suck.
2) Little Mac
3) More Third Party Characters:  Simon Belmont, Mega Man, Bomber Man.  Finished.  (I still believe those franchises scream Nintendo history as much as some Nintendo characters.)
4) Jill from Drill Doser
5) No more assit trophies.  I hated them...and I agree they take away from the Pokemon specials.
6) A combo counter, and a simple Combo mechanic in the game.  Even if it is just a timer that counts to zero unless another hit is made. 
7)Slower gameplay, but add some complexity to moves.  I would love 2 normal attack buttons then the special button and a jump button.  I believe this would add to the gameplay. 






Mop it upMarch 29, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

I wonder who the obscure character is going to be this time. Mike Jones from StarTropics?

Since the StarTropics games were never released in Japan, I doubt Mike Jones will ever appear in a Smash Brothers game, at least as long as Sakurai is around. I believe he's in charge of the roster and tends to pick his own personal faves, so he wouldn't pick a character from a game never released in his region. This is similar to why Nester will never be in the game either, since the magazine he's from is US. None of the Smash games even acknowledge that StarTropics exists.

TJ SpykeMarch 29, 2013

Moving stages are great, they are better and make things more fun.
Assist Trophies are also great, I hope they include more of them since they were pretty good (except for the damn Nintendog blocking 80% of the screen).
The game has a combo counter in Practice Mode
Part of the fun in the game is that it is relatively simple. I hate how most fighting games cater to the small niche of fans who go to tournaments and think that moves need to have 8 inputs to do

Pixelated PixiesMarch 30, 2013

The two series I think should be represented are Little Mac from Punch Out!! and either Saki or Achi from Sin & Punishment.

pokepal148March 30, 2013

Quote from: TJ

Moving stages are great, they are better and make things more fun.
Assist Trophies are also great, I hope they include more of them since they were pretty good (except for the damn Nintendog blocking 80% of the screen).
The game has a combo counter in Practice Mode
Part of the fun in the game is that it is relatively simple. I hate how most fighting games cater to the small niche of fans who go to tournaments and think that moves need to have 8 inputs to do

the dog wouldn't be so bad if it did more then one thing
throw the cat in and have the two just play together
the assist trophies in general need to be more unpredictable. it's either, just stay away from joe and he wont bother you or yeah im screwed... the pokemon appearences already do that, assist trophies need to be much more complex then that

AdrockMarch 30, 2013

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Since the StarTropics games were never released in Japan, I doubt Mike Jones will ever appear in a Smash Brothers game, at least as long as Sakurai is around. I believe he's in charge of the roster and tends to pick his own personal faves, so he wouldn't pick a character from a game never released in his region.

Sakurai is likely aware of its existence. Genyo Takeda created the series and he's been at Nintendo forever now.

Anyway, while I prefer the static stages, I don't mind the moving ones, except the vertical scrolling ones. I was so excited for a Jungle Beat stage...

Adding a button to Smash Bros. is a big no-no. I used to advocate it, but Smash Bros. is pretty complex as is. It's only deceptively simple.

LudicrousDa3veMarch 30, 2013

I think the assist trophies can coexist with the pokeballs, but that might just be me.
As for the actual mechanics...
Remove tripping.
Balance the Final Smashes.
More control during air dodge, like in Melee; but perhaps find a way to prevent wavedashing, since that seemed to be a complaint from the devs.
Tighten up the ground combos.
Find a sweet spot for how floaty characters feel, between Melee and Brawl levels. Brawl allowed for some awesome air work, but a little more weight would be nice.

I agree with Spak Spang on those character additions. Maybe Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia could make it in.
Enjoying the discussion!

Pixelated PixiesMarch 30, 2013

This probably isn't the forum in which to say this, but I feel I must.

Smash Bros has never been anything more than fan service to me. From a gameplay perspective, I actually don't really like Smash Bros.

LudicrousDa3veMarch 30, 2013

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This probably isn't the forum in which to say this, but I feel I must.

Smash Bros has never been anything more than fan service to me. From a gameplay perspective, I actually don't really like Smash Bros.

Heretic!  ;)
    To each his own, of course.

Luigi DudeMarch 30, 2013

These are the characters I'd say are 100% locks at the moment to be in the next Smash Bros.


Little Mac - He was already next in line for classic characters to be made playable after Pit and the fact he got his own revival with Punch-Out !! for the Wii pretty much seals the deal.

Ridley - He's the only truly iconic character from a long running series who's been in nearly every game in that series to not be playable in Smash Bros.  Plus he's easily the most requested Nintendo character since Brawl was released so it's pretty much guaranteed a spot this time as well.

Palutena - She's the only character other then Pit to be in all three Kid Icarus game and in Japan the series is called Palutena's Mirror.  She's also the second most important character in the games since she's basically the Peach and Zelda of her series.  Plus Sakurai himself was behind the last game from her series and in sales it actually did pretty good.  So yeah, she's in.

Chrom - Roy was the recent Lord when Melee was being developed and Ike was the most recent when Brawl was being developed.  Since the new Smash Bros start around last Spring, which is the exact time Fire Emblem Awakening was released in Japan, that makes Chrom the most recent Lord guaranteeing his spot.

Whoever the major humanoid Pokemon is for X and Y - Since Black and White was released in Japan during September 2010, and that team went to work on X and Y right after, it would have been in development for at least 1.5 years before Sakurai finalized the roster which he probably did around last Summer.  When he went to Game Freak they probably told him who the Mewtwo/Lucario type of Pokemon for X and Y will be and that's who will be making an appearance in the next Smash Bros.

Pac-Man - Since Namco is working on the game and Pac-Man is their most iconic character, I would be shocked if he isn't playable.



Characters I think have a really good chance but wouldn't quite call them locks yet.



Bowser Jr - He's become a permanent part of the Mario series by now having appeared in every platformer since Sunshine.  Since he's the most important villain behind only Bowser to the series now, he'd be the most likely Mario character to get added.  The only thing that would hurt him is if Sakurai decides the main Mario section of Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser doesn't deserve another character which I don't really see happening.  Of course Mario had 5 characters in Melee and Sakurai gave it only 4 character in Brawl so who knows.  Of course most of that had to do with the fact there were still a lot of other iconic non Mario characters that needed to be added in Brawl so Mario wasn't given more.  But now that there's less iconic characters to add this time, Mario will probably be given at least a 5th spot making Bowser Jr more likely.

Paper Mario - He's been in 4 games now that have all been million sellers and is basically it's own unique franchise at this point.  I wouldn't be surprised if he's considered his own series and put next to the RPG characters instead of the other Mario characters to show just how unique he really is.  The only thing that would hurt him is if Sakurai doesn't consider Paper Mario different from the normal Mario series and if Bowser Jr is given the 5th Mario spot, he might not want to give Mario a 6th character on the select screen, leaving no room for Paper Mario.  I hope Sakurai would consider Paper Mario his own series since he really is and would count as a new franchise added to the series like Yoshi, Donkey Kong and Wario are.  But I've seen some people who consider Paper Mario part of the normal Mario series and so Sakurai might as well.  I hope he doesn't but since I don't personally know the man I wouldn't bet anything right now.

Dixie Kong - She was originally planned for Brawl but got cut early on in development.  I'd say Sakurai views her as the third most important Donkey Kong character and since Donkey Kong had a resurgence in popularity recently thanks to DCKR, I say her chances are very good.  Only thing that might hurt her is if Sakurai wants to put in more villains and makes King K Rool the new Donkey Kong character instead.  I think because of her original planning for Brawl, Sakurai finds her more important but I wouldn't bet on it quite yet.

Toon Zelda/Tetra - There was a Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik that were also originally planned for Brawl but got cut early as well.  Since Phantom Hourglass ended up becoming the best selling handheld Zelda of all time last gen, and Wind Waker is getting the upcoming Wii U remake, that makes Toon Zelda still very relevant to the series and since Tetra is her alter ego, that would probably give this transformation pair a good chance.  It'll depend on if Zelda is given a 5th character spot on the select screen which I'm guessing they would since Mario and Pokemon will probably get a 5th spot as well this time.

Slime - Dragon Quest is basically a Nintendo franchise at this point with all the games exclusive to Nintendo systems and Nintendo publishing them in the West.  Since it has such a close relationship with Nintendo and is major huge in Japan, I think the mascot of the series being in the next Smash Bros is very likely.  Plus Dragon Quest IX thanks to Nintendo publishing managed to sell over a million in the West, so it's not exactly an unknown franchise to Western gamers.  The only thing I could see hurting Slime's chances are Square Enix not bothering to ask to have him put in for some reason.

Pixelated PixiesMarch 30, 2013

Does anyone think Shulk is likely?

AdrockMarch 30, 2013

I was hoping Palutena would be selectable in Brawl. She's practically a shoe-in due to Uprising and having a partial moveset already.

Ridley is an awesome character though he'd have to be scaled down considerably to not be completely broken. I'm skeptical, but hopeful.

I'd be really surprised not to see Pac-Man as well. Still, given who's working on the game, it's hard to imagine a Tekken, Soulcalibur or Tales character(s) not showing up.

I detest Bowser Jr. I'd seriously rather see Pichu return...

I'd have no qualms with Dixie Kong as a character. However, she nether appears in nor is referenced to in Donkey Kong Country Returns. Based on the cuts from Brawl (namely Roy and Mewtwo), it would be kind of odd to include a character that wasn't featured in the most recent game. Still, I think she would make a good addition.

Toon Zelda/Tetra would be interesting though I'm having trouble imagining a moveset. Sakurai had to just make one up for Zelda/Sheik which I guess he could do here, but Ganondorf doesn't even really have his own completely unique moveset. Start with Ganondorf then worry about Toon Zelda/Tetra later if they must.

I'm still trying to imagine what kind of moveset the Slime would have. Admittedly, I'm not terribly familiar with Dragon Quest series. I've watched some video and there's a dearth of physical attacks. It'd be like trying to make a Goomba an entire selectable character. Not saying it can't be done, just that I'm having a hard seeing it.

It's probably too late to include him (and shame on MercurySteam/Konami for not bringing Lords of Shadow 2 to Wii U), but Alucard from Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate is practically a Smash Bros. character. His attacks and movements are perfect for Smash Bros.

Maybe Shulk and Zael will be included in the Japanese and Europan release... then get cut by Nintendo of America... /ultimate troll

Anyway, I'd rather there be no Adventure Mode, but if there is (and there will), I really hope the development team doesn't try to make the story so serious this time. I think a Mario and Luigi-style tone would work best, something light-hearted, funny, and self-referential. In fact, just get AlphaDream to pen the script.

Also, costumes plz (not just color palettes).

MagicCow64March 30, 2013

I'm not sure about Little Mac. I don't think there are any new Punch Out games on the horizon. I'm also not sure if he'd have a compelling moveset. He punches, that's about it. I think the Assist Trophy pretty much covered it.

Also not sure about Dixie. I was frankly pretty surprised they went with Diddy in Brawl, but now that DKCR exists it makes more sense. I really don't see Dixie Kong or K Rool appearing in a game again, though. I'd wager that Nintendo would like to keep as far away from the Rare-originated elements as possible, excepting Diddy and Rambi.

I know Sakurai said he didn't want a bloated roster, but at this point I think they should just throw everything back in. All stages and characters. Pichu, Mewtwo, Lucario, Dr. Mario, Ike, Roy, Young Link, Toon Link; go clone crazy, so long as there are plenty of new characters.

CaterkillerMatthew Osborne, Contributing WriterMarch 30, 2013

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I'm not sure about Little Mac. I don't think there are any new Punch Out games on the horizon. I'm also not sure if he'd have a compelling moveset. He punches, that's about it. I think the Assist Trophy pretty much covered it.

Also not sure about Dixie. I was frankly pretty surprised they went with Diddy in Brawl, but now that DKCR exists it makes more sense. I really don't see Dixie Kong or K Rool appearing in a game again, though. I'd wager that Nintendo would like to keep as far away from the Rare-originated elements as possible, excepting Diddy and Rambi.

I completely disagree with both these points. People are always so hung up on who got a new game recently and that's why so and so can't be in. Samus in the original Smash, Lucas in Brawl and the many retro revivals prove the theories wrong. Little Mac had a new game last gen for Wii and that is what counts. Besides Namco and Sakurai are making the game. Steve from Tekken alone puts all punching doubts to rest. Besides what difference does it make if its nothing but swinging fists or nothing but swinging swords? A punch means more than just jab. I know that's not what you are thinking but when people generally put down Mac for that sole reason that is pretty much the mindset.

While it seems to be clear Retro wanted to make as many new characters as they could they aren't entirely neglecting Rare's creations and nor is Nintendo as a whole. Dixie was intended to be partnered with Diddy in Brawl so we know for a fact Sakurai considered her, the data is in the game. Plus all the rare creations show up in Mario Suggers and the Dk spin offs as well. Just not in the latest main series of games which has only been one in like a million years.

If Nintendo and especially Sakurai didn't want to associate with Rare there would not even be King K Rool and Candy Kong trophies in the Smash series.

I think Dixie and Mac have extremely high chances of making it in. 

pokepal148March 30, 2013

Quote from: Caterkiller

I think Dixie and Mac have extremely high chances of making it in. 

dixie just wind up being a clone of diddy
no more clones...(and magic is right, nintendo seems to be trying to get rid of most of the DK crew outside of Diddy and Cranky with returns..)
but for the love of god
give ganon his sword
get rid of this whole toon link/young link thing
and for the love of god do something about the star fox trio
i'll take luigi because he has been almost completely luigified outside of the  fireball

as for little mac, there is a fair problem believe it or not because alot of characters have their movesets based around their games as much as possible(one of mario's throws is based on the bowser battle in 64(if used on bowser he even does a reinactment)) and little mac has had little more then left punch, right punch left uppercut, right uppercut... like i said all they can do is give falcon another clone(NO!!)
Ganondorf is the only real exception to this outside of his final smash
i haven't played enough f-zero to know about captain falcon tbh

Pixelated PixiesMarch 30, 2013

Quote from: pokepal148

Quote from: Caterkiller

I think Dixie and Mac have extremely high chances of making it in. 

dixie just wind up being a clone of diddy
no more clones...(and magic is right, nintendo seems to be trying to get rid of most of the DK crew outside of Diddy and Cranky with returns..)
but for the love of god
give ganon his sword
get rid of this whole toon link/young link thing
and for the love of god do something about the star fox trio
i'll take luigi because he has been almost completely luigified outside of the  fireball

as for little mac, there is a fair problem believe it or not because alot of characters have their movesets based around their games as much as possible(one of mario's throws is based on the bowser battle in 64(if used on bowser he even does a reinactment)) and little mac has had little more then left punch, right punch left uppercut, right uppercut... like i said all they can do is give falcon another clone(NO!!)
Ganondorf is the only real exception to this outside of his final smash
i haven't played enough f-zero to know about captain falcon tbh


The way I see it, both Dixie and Little Mac could (not necessarily will) be interesting additions.

Dixie might look like a Diddy clone, but depending on how they utilise her hair she could actually be significantly different. I can imagine some of her attacks being based around her ability to spin and her hair's ability to grab characters and objects.

As for Little Mac only having 3 moves to choose from? If they can make Olimar a character I don't see any reason why Little Mac couldn't be. Smash Bros has always been pretty good about building out a characters abilities to make them work inside of the game. What if Little Mac's abilities were based more around ducking and diving? Perhaps instead of being on the offensive, Little Mac could be a defensive character whose strengths are based around his ability to dodge and counter-attack.

I definitely think both characters have potential.

Luigi DudeMarch 31, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

I'm still trying to imagine what kind of moveset the Slime would have. Admittedly, I'm not terribly familiar with Dragon Quest series. I've watched some video and there's a dearth of physical attacks. It'd be like trying to make a Goomba an entire selectable character. Not saying it can't be done, just that I'm having a hard seeing it.

There's a wide variety of different types of Slimes in all the Dragon Quest and they all have different types of magic attacks.  So it'd probably end up similar to Zelda, relying on magic for it's attacks in Smash Bros.

AdrockMarch 31, 2013

Zelda still has appendages to perform kicks and swipes and can transform into Sheik who is almost entirely physical attacks. Would a Slime just hop around and shoot magic at you? If a Square Enix character does show up, there are better choices. It just seems really difficult to make it a complete character. Maybe it could be an assist trophy. Slimed, Moogles, or Chocobos make it into nearly every game in their respective series, but the company has way too many recognizable characters. I understand why a Slime was suggested; I just don't see it happening.

Luigi DudeMarch 31, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

Zelda still has appendages to perform kicks and swipes and can transform into Sheik who is almost entirely physical attacks. Would a Slime just hop around and shoot magic at you?

Actually yeah he would.  DreamMix TV World Fighter which is a Smash Bros type game has a Moai as a playable character and that's literally how he plays.  The Moai in that game is just a head that shoots attacks out of its mouth but is still a playable character.  If a Smash Bros clone can do a character like that, then I'd imagine the real Smash Bros can pull it off as well.

S-U-P-E-RTy Shughart, Staff AlumnusMarch 31, 2013

I had a dream where I killed every Smash Bros fan. It was very sexual

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I had a dream where I killed every Smash Bros fan. It was very sexual

Did you use any items when you were killing them? If so, you and your casual homicidal ways sicken me.

azekeMarch 31, 2013

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I had a dream where I killed every Smash Bros fan. It was very sexual

Did you use any items when you were killing them? If so, you and your casual homicidal ways sicken me.

Who did he use and on what stage?

CaterkillerMatthew Osborne, Contributing WriterMarch 31, 2013

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I think Dixie and Mac have extremely high chances of making it in. 

dixie just wind up being a clone of diddy
no more clones...(and magic is right, nintendo seems to be trying to get rid of most of the DK crew outside of Diddy and Cranky with returns..)
but for the love of god
give ganon his sword
get rid of this whole toon link/young link thing
and for the love of god do something about the star fox trio
i'll take luigi because he has been almost completely luigified outside of the  fireball

as for little mac, there is a fair problem believe it or not because alot of characters have their movesets based around their games as much as possible(one of mario's throws is based on the bowser battle in 64(if used on bowser he even does a reinactment)) and little mac has had little more then left punch, right punch left uppercut, right uppercut... like i said all they can do is give falcon another clone(NO!!)
Ganondorf is the only real exception to this outside of his final smash
i haven't played enough f-zero to know about captain falcon tbh

Yeah you have absolutely no imagination nor an understanding of why clones and semi clones are the way they are. It's simply because of body type. Dixie's hair alone makes her stand out completely from any other character and thats what Sakurai loves. She basically has a giant blond arm on her head, it will not function exactly like Diddy's tail I guarantee you.

While I don't like how similar the specials are of the star Fox crew are, their smash attacks and basic animations are completely different. It's nothing like it was in Melee where they were literally reskins with different stats. I'm not saying there is no room for improvement because there is, but they are plenty varied and I imagine it will be taken a little further in the next game.

pokepal148March 31, 2013

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Quote from: Caterkiller

I think Dixie and Mac have extremely high chances of making it in. 

dixie just wind up being a clone of diddy
no more clones...(and magic is right, nintendo seems to be trying to get rid of most of the DK crew outside of Diddy and Cranky with returns..)
but for the love of god
give ganon his sword
get rid of this whole toon link/young link thing
and for the love of god do something about the star fox trio
i'll take luigi because he has been almost completely luigified outside of the  fireball

as for little mac, there is a fair problem believe it or not because alot of characters have their movesets based around their games as much as possible(one of mario's throws is based on the bowser battle in 64(if used on bowser he even does a reinactment)) and little mac has had little more then left punch, right punch left uppercut, right uppercut... like i said all they can do is give falcon another clone(NO!!)
Ganondorf is the only real exception to this outside of his final smash
i haven't played enough f-zero to know about captain falcon tbh

Yeah you have absolutely no imagination nor an understanding of why clones and semi clones are the way they are. It's simply because of body type. Dixie's hair alone makes her stand out completely from any other character and thats what Sakurai loves. She basically has a giant blond arm on her head, it will not function exactly like Diddy's tail I guarantee you.

While I don't like how similar the specials are of the star Fox crew are, their smash attacks and basic animations are completely different. It's nothing like it was in Melee where they were literally reskins with different stats. I'm not saying there is no room for improvement because there is, but they are plenty varied and I imagine it will be taken a little further in the next game.

so Dixie Kong will be like if Diddy-Kong @!#$%& Ivysaur and had a kid
Great...
and like Magic said Nintendo is basically trying to kill each member of the DK crew that isn't DK, Diddy, and Cranky

EDIT: I think i killed this whole thing with that horrible mental image

SMWizApril 02, 2013

There is one character that I would love to see in the next Smash: Mega Man. I've wanted Mega Man in smash since the first game was released on the N64. Some people may not remember the GameShark, or that you could write your own codes for the GameShark. I spent a lot of time trying to make Samus blue so that I could pretend she was Mega Man.


With the addition of Snake & Sonic to Brawl, I thought we had a chance of getting Mega Man. Sonic was the mascot of Nintendo's long time rival, Sega, and Snake (with the exception of Twin Snakes and a GBC came) had been a Sony exclusive for several years. If Nintendo could bag those 2 characters, it seemed possible, nay, likely that they could add Capcom's blue bomber.


Given that last year was Mega Man's 25th anniversary, and that Capcom celebrated it by not releasing a new game, cancelling the two games they had in development for him, and did not release a collection of any sort, it seems like Capcom should let Nintendo use Mega Man. Capcom didn't even use him in Marvel vs Capcom 3! Capcom doesn't seem to care about their mascot, so let Nintendo put him to good use. Smash games live forever. Immortalize Mega Man.

Mop it upApril 02, 2013

Quote from: Luigi

Slime - Dragon Quest is basically a Nintendo franchise at this point with all the games exclusive to Nintendo systems and Nintendo publishing them in the West.

The Slime may be the most iconic character, but I don't think it's the most popular. The cast from DQVIII is pretty popular, but, that game wasn't released on a Nintendo system (yet...) so it won't be one of them. I could see them picking one of the classes from DQIX, which is the most popular DQ game. I also wouldn't be surprised if they chose a character/class from DQX, to raise awareness for that game.

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Quote from: Mop

Since the StarTropics games were never released in Japan, I doubt Mike Jones will ever appear in a Smash Brothers game, at least as long as Sakurai is around. I believe he's in charge of the roster and tends to pick his own personal faves, so he wouldn't pick a character from a game never released in his region.

Sakurai is likely aware of its existence. Genyo Takeda created the series and he's been at Nintendo forever now.

I didn't say he wasn't aware, I said he has no attachment to the series.

AdrockApril 03, 2013

I still don't see why that matters. Being released in Japan doesn't automatically mean Sakurai has an attachment to a particular series. I remember reading way back that he plays the games to get a feel of the characters that are included (ROB being the only exception since he's not really playable in the old NES games). StarTropics may not have been released in Japan, but it's still a part of Nintendo's history and it was created by a senior member at the company. That said, if Sakurai needed to play StarTropics, he could certainly do so very easily.

And does Sakurai just pick his favorites? I thought he mostly goes by who fans repeatedly ask for. That why we ended up with Peach and Zelda before say, Metaknight. Included characters seem to fall into three categories: popular, most recent, and obscure. Most of them fall under popular and those are obvious choices. I don't mean to say Mike Jones is a shoe-in and he's not a personal favorite of mine as I don't recall ever playing StarTropics (I may have, but ages ago). However, I do recall about a year ago Sakurai saying something like he wanted to bring back more older/forgotten characters.

pokepal148April 03, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

However, I do recall about a year ago Sakurai saying something like he wanted to bring back more older/forgotten characters.

like tingle...
also
A new challenger appears
James Jones: Box Hunter

Mop it upApril 04, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

I still don't see why that matters. Being released in Japan doesn't automatically mean Sakurai has an attachment to a particular series.

As I said, StarTropics hasn't yet been acknowledged by any Smash Brothers game, which I think means it never will be in any way. I don't know the actual process of how characters are picked, it was just my impression from Brawl's odd choices of newcomers.

The only thing which I'd say gives Mike Jones a chance is that he would be a good clone of Ness to replace Lucas, which would make him an easier character to add to the game.

pokepal148April 04, 2013

Quote from: Mop

Quote from: Adrock

I still don't see why that matters. Being released in Japan doesn't automatically mean Sakurai has an attachment to a particular series.

As I said, StarTropics hasn't yet been acknowledged by any Smash Brothers game, which I think means it never will be in any way. I don't know the actual process of how characters are picked, it was just my impression from Brawl's odd choices of newcomers.

The only thing which I'd say gives Mike Jones a chance is that he would be a good clone of Ness to replace Lucas, which would make him an easier character to add to the game.

no more clones...

Pixelated PixiesApril 04, 2013

Quote from: pokepal148

no more clones...


but...it's a fighting game (albeit not a traditional one). Isn't that kind of...you know...their thing?

beta4attackApril 06, 2013

THANK YOU! I have been going left and right telling people how should Professor Layton be a character in the next game and how awesome he would be with his fencing skills and stuff. I really hope it comes true.

CaterkillerMatthew Osborne, Contributing WriterApril 14, 2013

I don't have much to say on either of these characters except I do like them but believe their chances are slim to none. I don't even think Birdo is in the running along side Goomba and Koopa Troopa, her role in the Mario games just isn't big enough.


Mike would be cool and I do think he deserves a spot but not before:


Takamaru
Mewtwo
Little Mac
Ridley
Dixie Kong
King K Rool
Shulk
Bowser Jr
Samurai Goroh
Palutena


Yeah, I have a bit of a bias I suppose but even the secondary characters of established series deserve a spot more than him.




Also what must Sakurai think of Star Tropics? We get trophies for Japan only things, I wonder why not the other way around?

pokepal148April 14, 2013

not dixie kong we went through that

StrawHousePigApril 20, 2013

Quote from: S-U-P-E-R

I had a dream where I killed every Smash Bros fan. It was very sexual

Fucking gross. Seek emotional help.

RustinReeceApril 20, 2013

Am I the only one who wants Ghirahim to be in this game?

pokepal148April 20, 2013

Quote from: RustinReece

Am I the only one who wants Ghirahim to be in this game?

GOD NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CaterkillerMatthew Osborne, Contributing WriterApril 26, 2013

I personally would rather see completely new characters added not named Mario but Paper Mario would add some interesting variety for sure. I would certainly rather see him than say Waluigi as far as new Mario reps are concerned.


I don't think his chances are too great but who knows? Our first peek at the game is so close!

Luigi DudeApril 27, 2013

Quote from: Caterkiller

I don't think his chances are too great but who knows? Our first peek at the game is so close!

I'd say his chances are pretty good.

Paper Mario - He's been in 4 games now that have all been million sellers and is basically it's own unique franchise at this point.  I wouldn't be surprised if he's considered his own series and put next to the RPG characters instead of the other Mario characters to show just how unique he really is.  The only thing that would hurt him is if Sakurai doesn't consider Paper Mario different from the normal Mario series and if Bowser Jr is given the 5th Mario spot, he might not want to give Mario a 6th character on the select screen, leaving no room for Paper Mario.  I hope Sakurai would consider Paper Mario his own series since he really is and would count as a new franchise added to the series like Yoshi, Donkey Kong and Wario are.  But I've seen some people who consider Paper Mario part of the normal Mario series and so Sakurai might as well.  I hope he doesn't but since I don't personally know the man I wouldn't bet anything right now.


So yeah not a complete lock, but he's got a lot of things going in his favor.

TJ SpykeApril 27, 2013

Paper Mario is part of the Mario series, just like Mario & Luigi is, Mario Kart is, etc. It's part of the Mario franchise. I love the first two Paper Mario games, but I dont want a 3rd version of Mario (after Dr.  Mario). Maybe he could be an alternate costume for Mario?

Luigi DudeApril 27, 2013

Quote from: TJ

Paper Mario is part of the Mario series, just like Mario & Luigi is, Mario Kart is, etc. It's part of the Mario franchise. I love the first two Paper Mario games, but I dont want a 3rd version of Mario (after Dr.  Mario). Maybe he could be an alternate costume for Mario?

Who says Paper Mario has to be a clone of Mario?  Mario's moveset in Smash Bros is based entirely from his platformer games.  Paper Mario on the other hand has a ton of moves exclusive to that series, that would make him completely different.  His main weapon is a hammer which already makes him different from Mario who punches and kicks.  Paper Mario can also turn into different objects like in his games that could add lots of potential.  Instead of doing an upper cut like Mario for his Up-B, Paper Mario could turn into a paper airplanes and then be able to glide while in that form like the flying characters from Brawl could.  Seriously, there's a ton of potential for the character.

Plus Dr. Mario was removed for Brawl and I doubt he'll be brought back for the next Smash Bros so I don't see why people think there's too many Mario's since there's currently only one.

TJ SpykeApril 27, 2013

I was talking about in the series, we don't really need a 3rd Mario. Especially if Paper Mario would take the place of a new character.

Pixelated PixiesApril 27, 2013

What if Paper Mario were to be represented by a multi-character? By which I mean, a fighter which actually switches between several of the more memorable characters in the Paper Mario series (a la Pokémon Trainer).

What if you were to start as Mario (that is Paper Mario), but you could then flip over, like a piece of paper, and on the other side is another character. These other characters would effectively act as 'forms'. For instance, you could have

Admiral Bobbery
http://www.mariowiki.com/images/8/89/BobberyPMTTYD.png

Rawk Hawk
https://userdata.bronynet.com/3143/profilepic-4974-128.png

and... Mr L!

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111019211540/villains/images/2/22/Mr.L.jpg

Amongst others. That might actually be pretty cool.

There are also loads of obvious paper related moves which could be employed. Turning into a paper airplane in order to glide back to the stage, sticking your opponents to the background like stickers (thereby opening them up for attack), your dodge could be that you turn 45 degrees so that you become paper thin and harder to hit.

I never really considered that Paper Mario might be represented in the Smash series, but now I'm kind of psyched about the idea.

ShayminApril 27, 2013

I can't be the only one who's hoping for some 3DS eShop-exclusive characters for that version... you've got Mallo, the Sakura Samurai, Dillon, Tempo, a Denpa Man, heck Suda might be willing to give up the president from Liberation Maiden.

Pixelated PixiesApril 27, 2013

Quote from: Shaymin

I can't be the only one who's hoping for some 3DS eShop-exclusive characters for that version... you've got Mallo, the Sakura Samurai, Dillon, Tempo, a Denpa Man, heck Suda might be willing to give up the president from Liberation Maiden.


Maybe it's just me, but many of those series haven't yet proven themselves sufficiently to warrant inclusion in Smash Bros. The only exceptions for me might be Mallo and Eddy (from Spin cycle), but I think they might be better suited to assist trophies rather than joining the roster.

red14April 27, 2013

STAR STORM!! Paper Mario's Final Smash has to be Star Storm!!! It's impossible to not imagine it. It's also the most badass thing I can remember when it comes to PM.

ShayminApril 28, 2013

Quote from: Pixelated


Maybe it's just me, but many of those series haven't yet proven themselves sufficiently to warrant inclusion in Smash Bros. The only exceptions for me might be Mallo and Eddy (from Spin cycle), but I think they might be better suited to assist trophies rather than joining the roster.

If you're going by proof of existence, you're tossing Ness, Marth and Roy out of Melee and Lucas out of Brawl.

Pixelated PixiesApril 28, 2013

Quote from: Shaymin

If you're going by proof of existence, you're tossing Ness, Marth and Roy out of Melee and Lucas out of Brawl.


I would disagree. Fire Emblem and Mother are iconic series and more than deserving of recognition in Smash Bros. True, they do not have the cultural significant in the west that they do in Japan, and the characters from those series' are far from household names, but the games themselves have a place in the annals of Nintendo history.

By comparison, Sakura Samurai and Dillon's Rolling Western are inconsequential. Cool games perhaps (I wouldn't know, as I haven't played either) but not worthy of a slot on the character roster.

pokepal148April 28, 2013

the ice climber "series" says hi

Dillon could be a pretty cool character if they designed him right. Depending on how far they want to go with it, Mallow could be pretty awesome too.

AdrockApril 30, 2013

I love Super Mario RPG and I like the characters of Mallow and Geno, but they were supporting characters in one game released like 17 years ago. I know about Geno and that poll years ago. I just feel that there are far more important and iconic characters to include, even in the Mario series. Paper Mario is an extension of Mario, but I think he makes more sense. He's different enough from regular Mario to deserve consideration. I realize Geno and Mallow are also different, but Paper Mario has starred in four games, the most recent having been released last year. Even if they would be considered as obscure characters like Mr. Game and Watch and R.O.B., there are better choices, like Sheriff or Mike Jones (as previously mentioned in this thread), both of whom would represent new series to Smash Bros.

I haven't played Dillon's Rolling Western or Sakurai Samurai, but considering they're newer, I wouldn't mind seeing representation from those games. I'm mainly hoping for more variety in IP selection. If a character is from a series never seen before in Smash Bros., I usually favor that character over others. If a character is from a series already represented in Smash Bros., I think that character should be a really important one from that series. For example, I personally like Prince Peasley and Fawful from Mario and Luigi, but like Mallow and Geno, I feel other characters from Mario (and in general) deserve a spot more. So, if another Mario character were to be chosen, Paper Mario, for example, would trump Prince Peasley or Geno.

RachtApril 30, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

...there are better choices, like Sheriff or Mike Jones...

Quit making my heart go aflutter. Shame on you. :P

ThePermApril 30, 2013

hey could they do this thing I asked about last time this time?

https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=22525.0;nowap

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I'm a fan of games that let you choose multiple costumes for the same character as opposed to the extra lame palette swap. For instance, there was no Wario in the last super smash bros, but there was a palette swap which aproximated Mario as wario. In that case it was ok, i would really like to see some characters look radically different with different costume changes.

Link
Twilight Princess Link-default
Ocarina Link - secondary
Ocarina link - purple
Twilight princess link-blue armor
Twilight Princess link-red armor
possible lttp link Brown sleeves different face

Wario
Wario Ware- Default
Wario classic- secondary
plus some more costumes

Young link-if he even appears
Wind waker style-default
majora's mask style secondary
Wind Waker blue surfer

Solid Snake
Grey suit-default
camo suit w/ eye patch secondary (aka BIGBOSS)
Grey Ninja or Raiden as another costume
Big Boss Sean Connery Version
Liquid Snake

Zelda: zeldas a bit more complicated
Ocarina version zelda
ocarina version shiek
tp version zelda
tp style shiek

Ganondorf
Tp version default
WW version
oot version
ghost night version

samas
all different versions of the varia suit.

pokémon trainer
different pokemon trainers

Fox
Fox last smash bros
Fox ds
fox n64

Yoshi and kirby and pikachu
since none of these wear much in the way of clothes, im satisfied with a palette swap

Mario
Mario: Regular
Dr. Mario
Mario red overalls
Hawaian shirt and sunglasses mario

Ike
Ike could have Marth and roy skins

Donkey Kong
Dk-with Tie
Classic Dk no clothes
DK snes mario kart clothed

Peach
Daisy peach palette swap

TJ SpykeApril 30, 2013

Quote from: ThePerm

hey could they do this thing I asked about last time this time?

https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=22525.0;nowap

To be fair, they already did. One of your suggestions was different costumes for Wario. In Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the default look for Wario was from WarioWare but you had his classic look as an alternate costume.

ThePermApril 30, 2013

nope, they didn't do it well enough.

And also, you're going to add even more variations of Link in.

Luigi DudeMay 01, 2013

Well the best thing about Namco helping out on the game is we'll probably get alternate costumes for all the characters now.  Since Tekken and Soul Caliber have alternative customs for their characters, I'd imagine the people on the team should be able to talk Sakurai into getting them in, because these are people who are used to making fighting games with alternative customs for characters and can probably get it done much quicker and easier then anyone at Game Arts or HAL could have.

CaterkillerMatthew Osborne, Contributing WriterMay 01, 2013

Agreed. Namco's fighting games have so many costumes per character I will be shocked if each character doesn't have at least 1 real costume change each.

Aside from characters and balance this is my biggest hope for the game.

StogiMay 02, 2013

My biggest hope is that they somehow use the Wii Pad to an awesome degree.

Like four people playing while someone on the WiiPad is just toying with everyone. Freezing peoples feet so they can't move, sending gusts of wind so they can't recover, shooting fireballs from the sky, swatting items away that people really want, etc. etc.

TJ SpykeMay 02, 2013

Quote from: Stogi

My biggest hope is that they somehow use the Wii Pad to an awesome degree.

Like four people playing while someone on the WiiPad is just toying with everyone. Freezing peoples feet so they can't move, sending gusts of wind so they can't recover, shooting fireballs from the sky, swatting items away that people really want, etc. etc.

Since that would piss-off the snobs that like to compete in tournaments (you know, the ones who don't like items, prefer fighting only on flat stages like Final Destination, etc.), I approve and want it.

StogiMay 02, 2013

It would be sweet if you could team up to "kill" the Wiipad gamer, i.e. not allowing them to manipulate the game for a time. The Wiipad could float around like those little dudes in clouds in Mario games.

nickmitchMay 02, 2013

That'd be a great team mode, if you could use two game pads. Two players duke it out, while two more assist. Maybe play minigames to earn and send items to the players on the TV.

S-U-P-E-RTy Shughart, Staff AlumnusMay 02, 2013

Quote from: TJ

Since that would piss-off the snobs that like to compete in tournaments (you know, the ones who don't like items, prefer fighting only on flat stages like Final Destination, etc.), I approve and want it.

Yes, I am so mad at silly optional modes!

arrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh

Pixelated PixiesMay 02, 2013

Building on what Stogi recommended, what if Nintendo were to utilise the Gamepad to bring back one of the most beloved features of Brawl? What if the sole purpose of the Gamepad in Smash Bros 4 is to make characters slip? What if, with a deft stroke of your finger across the touch screen, you could make one of the characters on screen fall flat on their ass? Everyone would love that, right?! RIGHT!?

AdrockMay 02, 2013

Quote from: Pixelated

Building on what Stogi recommended, what if Nintendo were to utilise the Gamepad to bring back one of the most beloved features of Brawl? What if the sole purpose of the Gamepad in Smash Bros 4 is to make characters slip? What if, with a deft stroke of your finger across the touch screen, you could make one of the characters on screen fall flat on their ass? Everyone would love that, right?! RIGHT!?

http://i.imgur.com/3ODKr66.gif

Pixelated PixiesMay 02, 2013

@Adrock

Ha!

AdrockMay 02, 2013

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I say @#$% tourney***s, if you have to take out half of the game to make it competitively viable then I think that should beg the question, are they even playing the same game anymore.

It's not like they're modding the game to play it that way. They're just shutting off options which the development team put into the game so people can enjoy the game whatever way they want to. Some people like things turned up and on, some don't. Who cares? Anyone who legitimately gets upset over this on either side needs to calm their **** down.

CaterkillerMatthew Osborne, Contributing WriterMay 02, 2013

Quote from: pokepal148

I say @#$% tourney***s, if you have to take out half of the game to make it competitively viable then I think that should beg the question, are they even playing the same game anymore.

I don't appreciate that language. I personally can't stand the behavior I usually witness during tournies, be it on video or in person, the general culture disgusts me. Yet at the same time I love the high level play and cutting out as much randomness as possible for such matches. Still I love the good ol' balls to the wall zaniness that Smash brings.

I love both styles of play and just want the options to play it both ways. Alienating either branch of gamers is no good to no body!

pokepal148May 02, 2013

I was trying to make a point more then anything... but they can get rather obnoxious

pokepal148May 02, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

Quote from: pokepal148

I say @#$% tourney***s, if you have to take out half of the game to make it competitively viable then I think that should beg the question, are they even playing the same game anymore.

It's not like they're modding the game to play it that way. They're just shutting off options which the development team put into the game so people can enjoy the game whatever way they want to. Some people like things turned up and on, some don't. Who cares? Anyone who legitimately gets upset over this on either side needs to calm their **** down.

brawl+
project m,

take your pick...

AdrockMay 02, 2013

It's like you lack basic comprehension skills.

No one is hacking the game to remove items or play on a single stage. Those are options included by the development team so people can play the game the way they want to. My understanding is that the major tournaments do not allow cheats or hacks so even though Project M exists to make Brawl play more like Melee, your so-called "tourney***s" still have to play the regular, unhacked version in tournaments.

pokepal148May 02, 2013

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/1ctrk0/project_m_wifi_tournament_signups_now_follow/

Honestly, i am making a point, if you have to outright ban half of the game for competitive game, can the game be said to be viable for tournaments

mewtwofanMay 05, 2013

AHH.. yes mewtwo ... known as the strongest pokemon created .. and he is ... the common shadow ball attack ... the ability to teleport without getting hurt ... but at the age of brawl HE WAS FORGOTTEN.. but now he is being revived to battle the strongest foe ever .. genesect ... but mewtwo is different .... now all i wish is  for mewtwo  to come in the next ssb series ... and the only way for this to happen is if everyone wants and asks nintendo to bring him in the next ssb game with both forms ... so don't forget the times mewtwo amazed you in movie's and shows ... but also don't forget his power his speed .... and most of all ..... his history!

mewtwofanMay 05, 2013

REMEMBER HIM!

S-U-P-E-RTy Shughart, Staff AlumnusMay 05, 2013

Quote from: mewtwofan

AHH.. yes mewtwo ... known as the strongest pokemon created .. and he is ... the common shadow ball attack ... the ability to teleport without getting hurt ... but at the age of brawl HE WAS FORGOTTEN.. but now he is being revived to battle the strongest foe ever .. genesect ... but mewtwo is different .... now all i wish is  for mewtwo  to come in the next ssb series ... and the only way for this to happen is if everyone wants and asks nintendo to bring him in the next ssb game with both forms ... so don't forget the times mewtwo amazed you in movie's and shows ... but also don't forget his power his speed .... and most of all ..... his history!

mods please make ellipses bannable

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorMay 05, 2013

But... I use them... a lot...

CaterkillerMatthew Osborne, Contributing WriterMay 05, 2013

Quote from: mewtwofan

AHH.. yes mewtwo ... known as the strongest pokemon created .. and he is ... the common shadow ball attack ... the ability to teleport without getting hurt ... but at the age of brawl HE WAS FORGOTTEN.. but now he is being revived to battle the strongest foe ever .. genesect ... but mewtwo is different .... now all i wish is  for mewtwo  to come in the next ssb series ... and the only way for this to happen is if everyone wants and asks nintendo to bring him in the next ssb game with both forms ... so don't forget the times mewtwo amazed you in movie's and shows ... but also don't forget his power his speed .... and most of all ..... his history!

Mewtwo is a pretty safe bet. He wasn't forgotten in Brawl, he has a lot of data on the disk and I am certain if not for Sonic's late inclusion Mewtwo would have made it. If I remember and understand correctly Toon Link, Jiggly, Wolf and Mewtwo are like the last characters within the data, no story in Subspace and just tacked on. Those other 3 just had priority over Mewtwo once Sonic shook things up.

Still if you look charafuly Mewtwo's movements lived on in Brawl. The obvious Aura sphere(kinda), Extreem speed(kinda), but the real proof is Lucas. Up Smash, Down Smash, and N Air are very much Mewtwo's attacks buffed to hell. If his moves had that kind of damage and knock back in Melee he might have stunk just a little less.

pokepal148May 05, 2013

for the worlds most powerful Pokemon  he sure enjoys hanging out in bottom tier....
did somebody seriously create an account just to sing the praises of mewtwo... really?

CaterkillerMatthew Osborne, Contributing WriterMay 06, 2013

Look at this snipet from an interview I dug up from 2007, or E3 06.


Nintendo: Will the single-player of Super Smash Bros. be the same as it was on the GameCube?
Masahiro Sakurai: No, we're going to change it. I think we're going to try and make a single-player mode that people can enjoy a little bit more than perhaps they did on the GameCube.
Shigeru Miyamoto: This is actually something Mr Sakurai and I have had a difference of opinion on since the very first Smash Bros. game. Mr Sakurai always wanted to have a very deep single-player game, and on the N64 version I just said to him, you know, we've got plenty of very deep single-player games, why don't you hurry up and just focus on multiplayer and don't worry about the single-player. And Mr Sakurai said no, no, no, I want to have some kind of single-player in there so I just said well, make it really short so we can focus on multiplayer and get the game done. And we kind of did a little bit of that on the GameCube, but a bit more single-player than that. This time we're getting a lot of time to focus on Smash Bros., plenty of time to develop it, so people can expect a very robust single-player game.


For the next Smash Bros Dreams article I'd like the story mode to be discussed. I remember very clearly from the original Smash days and Melee days how we all wanted more story. Brawl comes out and all we want now is less. Plus with all the demonizing Miyamoto gets now a'days I'd like to see their response to this. For me the less Kirby style platforming, the better. While Subspace seemingly feels like a typical Kirby game, running around with the different Smash characters in that platformer setting was exhausting. It never felt like a true platformer.

AdrockMay 06, 2013

People generally don't want an emphasis on story considering how poorly it was handled in Brawl. I'm not entirely against it, but if the new games follow the same patterns as Brawl, definitely DO NOT WANT. If Sakurai insists on having the story mode, he should seriously reconsider the tone. I greatly disliked how serious it was and how it doesn't use Nintendo's history much or at all which is weird for a crossover game. I never really liked the whole trophies-in-their-own-world-where-all-they-do-is-fight thing. I wish the characters are the characters from their respective universes and whatever brings them together is worked into the plot. Each character should stay true to their personalities, how they acted in their games. You see a little of that in the taunts, moves, and victory screen, but in a story mode, I think it'd be awesome if say, Ness calls his mom because he's homesick because he did that in Earthbound. Touches like that could go a long way. No one wants to see Tabuu or Generic Enemy Number 5. No one.

azekeMay 06, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

People generally don't want an emphasis on story considering how poorly it was handled in Brawl.

I want an emphasis on story considering how amazingly it was handled in Kid Icarus Uprising.

Though most of the charm came from voiced dialogue and i wonder if they will be able to do it with a number of characters being mute and with the cost of VA.

If Sakurai went that crazy in KI: U which wasn't all that self- and nintendo pop-culture referential before him, i wonder what will he do in new Smash game considering it's already meta by premise alone.

Luigi DudeMay 06, 2013

The Subspace Emissary's story was written by Kazushige Nojima.  Kid Icarus Uprising was written by Sakurai himself.  The solution is clear, Sakurai himself needs to write the story for the next Smash Bros and not ask his friends to do it this time.

AdrockMay 06, 2013

It's unfair to place the blame solely on Nojima for the plot when Sakurai and Nojima cowrite it. Sakurai is even admittedly responsible for the serious tone.

Some of the characters are on a bus on the way to the stadium. Samus is there. Donkey Kong is there and Snake is watching the bus from afar." It was like that. (laughs) I had envisioned a more serious tone for the story. Something with some misfortune like a single character escaping total annihilation of his squadron and then fighting back while rounding up his allies. Ultimately, we worked together and successfully organized our ideas into the storyline for The Subspace Emissary.

ArtemisflyMay 15, 2013

the only characters i see are little mac bomber man nights and wisemen(from nights journey or dreams) or Hades and dark pit from the new kid icarus game (which i think is whats gonna happen in the end anyway)

Lucariofan99June 21, 2013

I just hope that ethier Waluigi or Zoroark are in it. And of course LUCARIO STAYS IN IT!!!!!! :@

Lucariofan99June 21, 2013

I just hope Waluigi or Zoroark are in it. And of course LUCARIO STAYS IN IT

Pixelated PixiesJune 26, 2013

With Wii Fit Trainer becoming a character in Smash Bros, and the recent news that the plane from Aero Porter was voted as the people's favourite Level 5 character, I've been thinking alot today about what constitutes a 'video game character' and to what lengths Sakurai might go to surprise us with his roster choices.

For instance, is it conceivable that non-specific action figure could find himself in the roster for Smash Bros? Could the smiling shopping bag from the 3DS eShop make an appearance? Or the camera system from Super Mario Sunshine? What about the hand icon which represents where the Wii remote is pointed at on the screen? Is it a character? Might it replace Master Hand?! I just don't know anymore!

:P:

azekeJune 26, 2013

Quote from: Pixelated

With Wii Fit Trainer becoming a character in Smash Bros, and the recent news that the plane from Aero Porter was voted as the people's favourite Level 5 character, I've been thinking alot today about what constitutes a 'video game character' and to what lengths Sakurai might go to surprise us with his roster choices.

Sega already did it all decades ago adding that car into one their fighting games.

Sakurai is just catching up.

nickmitchNovember 16, 2013

Alternate stock would be amazing. I'd love to just pick my best three or five and battle against somebody that way. It'd be perfect for tourneys and add a new level of strategy

syrindigoNovember 19, 2013

I don't want Mewtwo in this game even at all. Maybe in a poke ball? I guess. But as far as playable pokemon. I don't want Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and if the pokemon trainer comes back, squritle, ivysaur and charizard. That is WAAAAAAY too many Gen. 1 pokemon... I want to see some new guys. Like how Lucario was. but I want to see different pokemon! I'm pretty sure Sakurai wants to best represent every series as good as possible and ONLY having pokemon from the first generation doesn't do pokemon justice at all, theres way too many great pokemon in all different generations to cry over one that was taken out.

pokepal148November 19, 2013

Quote from: syrindigo

I don't want Mewtwo in this game even at all. Maybe in a poke ball? I guess. But as far as playable pokemon. I don't want Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and if the pokemon trainer comes back, squritle, ivysaur and charizard. That is WAAAAAAY too many Gen. 1 pokemon... I want to see some new guys. Like how Lucario was. but I want to see different pokemon! I'm pretty sure Sakurai wants to best represent every series as good as possible and ONLY having pokemon from the first generation doesn't do pokemon justice at all, theres way too many great pokemon in all different generations to cry over one that was taken out.

But 1st gen pokemon are more iconic imo.

I'll just go ahead and say what we're all thinking and point out that all the Pokémon that came out after gen 1 suck.

ShayminNovember 19, 2013

TAKE THAT!

OblivionNovember 19, 2013

Quote from: NWR_insanolord

I'll just go ahead and say what we're all thinking and point out that all the Pokémon that came out after gen 1 suck.

Oh you're one of THOSE people.

Lucariofan99November 20, 2013

Quote from: pokepal148

Quote from: syrindigo

I don't want Mewtwo in this game even at all. Maybe in a poke ball? I guess. But as far as playable pokemon. I don't want Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and if the pokemon trainer comes back, squritle, ivysaur and charizard. That is WAAAAAAY too many Gen. 1 pokemon... I want to see some new guys. Like how Lucario was. but I want to see different pokemon! I'm pretty sure Sakurai wants to best represent every series as good as possible and ONLY having pokemon from the first generation doesn't do pokemon justice at all, theres way too many great pokemon in all different generations to cry over one that was taken out.

But 1st gen pokemon are more iconic imo.

pokepal just admitted it :Q
he's a gen woner! BOOOOOO!

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