joe: Now you're arguing semantics. I'd say that even if 10-20 million PS2 users had maybe one or two legitimate games and the rest warezed, the sales numbers for PS2 games would still be very high. IMO the numbers for game sales on the PS2 vs. the installed base is vastly lower than those found on the other consoles, that might be casual games, that might be pirates and it's probably a bit of both.