Author Topic: HDTV on Gamecube? (Read 7516 times)

Intera · « **on:** June 04, 2004, 12:55:13 PM »

Hi,

I am looking to buy an HDTV to play my Cube games on (and my Xbox). The problem is I'm totally new to this stuff and I've been looking around the net trying to find where I can buy HDTV's in the UK and I'm pretty lost.

I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice as to what sort of TV I need to buy? When I search for HDTV's I get Plasmas and LCD, which one is best? I am looking for a relatively small one, about 17-20" because I have limited space.

Does anyone know where I can buy them in the UK, what I should buy and also what I should look for (specs wise) when I am buying one? Also, do PAL cube games (and PAL cubes) support HDTV and Progressive Scan?

One more thing, I am currently using a 32" Panasonic Widescreen through an RGB cable to play my games, and they look pretty good, do you think it's worth going down to a small screen size to get HD?

Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks
Intera

Griffin · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2004, 03:42:28 PM »

HDTV and Progressive Scan are two different things (well, you have to get an HDTV for Progressive Scan, but not all HDTV's have that feature), so make sure the tv you select has it as an option. The smallest standard style tvs (not flat panel or LCD) with HDTV and Prog Scan are a 27" by Samsung and Advent. I have the Samsung model, but I haven't bought the component cables yet. Also, not all GC games have progressive scan capabilities, but many do...just check on the back of the box in the upper left to see if it is.

I'm not sure which is better between Plasma and LCD though, maybe someone else can help you with that question.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2004, 05:03:54 PM »

LCD screens are better for gameing never buy plasma Tvs for gaming since they suffer major burned in immages that you can never fix.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #3 on:** June 05, 2004, 04:55:10 AM »

PAL GCs don't support HD or progressive scan at all.

Syl · « **Reply #4 on:** June 05, 2004, 06:17:51 AM »

the main difference between LCD and Plasma is the price, Plasma undoubtedly has a better image quality, but your shoving a couple thousand more dollars out there for it.

Cable Wise, grab a monster cable. Theyre not hard to find, expensive things.. but if your willing to spend that much on a TV, then i suppose its really only necessary to get the best image possible.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #5 on:** June 05, 2004, 06:48:09 AM »

KDR why doesnt PAL region cubes dont have HD support or pro. scan?

Ymeegod · « **Reply #6 on:** June 05, 2004, 11:53:51 AM »

"Cable Wise, grab a monster cable"

LOL, Monster Inc wasn't allowed to make the component cable by nintendo.

The only component cable you can get is made by Big N and must be ordered online no less

. It's quite the hassle.

Griffin · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2004, 01:04:03 PM »

I emailed Monster Cable a while back and asked them if they planned on making a GC component cable, and they replied saying that it was too expensive...it would cost upwards of $100 US for one.

Tael · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2004, 05:35:13 PM »

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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
KDR why doesnt PAL region cubes dont have HD support or pro. scan?

They do support progressive scan. The PAL games don't support progressive scan, but when using a Freeloader with NTSC games you can enable progressive scan and the PAL GameCube will output a NTSC progressive scan signal.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2004, 08:01:49 PM »

What's with this "you need the official cable" BS? I got a third party gold-plated SCART cable for 4 Euros. Don't remember the manufacturer.

Tael: Well, obviously there's a difference between PAL PS and NTSC PS, no?

- NintendoFan - · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2004, 03:13:57 AM »

"What's with this "you need the official cable" BS? I got a third party gold-plated SCART cable for 4 Euros. Don't remember the manufacturer."

As far as I know Nintendo is the only one that makes and sells a Component Cable for GameCube. At least in North America.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #11 on:** June 06, 2004, 03:14:52 AM »

" LCD screens are better for gameing never buy plasma Tvs for gaming since they suffer major burned in immages that you can never fix. "

false, a properly adjusted plasma set is fine for gaming.

"Plasma undoubtedly has a better image quality, but your shoving a couple thousand more dollars out there for it. "

Again, FALSE. Both LCD's and plasmas have terrible black levels. The also suffer from dead pixels, rainbows and ghosting.
A good calibrated CRT rear projection set can offer the best picture quality every time if you have the space.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2004, 06:14:12 AM »

NintendoFan: Well, maybe in NA, but our candidate here is from the UK...

Syl · « **Reply #13 on:** June 06, 2004, 07:48:25 AM »

NintendoFan: Monster Cable has component, my friend has one.

Griffin · « **Reply #14 on:** June 06, 2004, 10:42:19 AM »

Where did he get it Syl? Cause like I said earlier, I emailed Monster Cable and they said they had no plans to make GC component cables...are you sure it's not an S-Video cable?

Ymeegod · « **Reply #15 on:** June 06, 2004, 10:42:48 AM »

Did a bit of digging and found this:

SCART is an industry standard for interconnecting audio-visual equipment, developed by the French company, Peritel. SCART stands for Syndicat francais des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radio et Television, meaning "Association of French Radio and Television Manufacturers". In Europe and other countries that use the PAL video standard, most TVs and VCRs come equipped with a SCART connector. The Peritel SCART connector (also known as Euro-connector) has 21 pins and provides for bi-directional connection of audio and composite video signals, uni-directional RGB video, plus control signals for television/VCR interaction.

"Most SCART cables available for Gamecube do NOT deliver an RGB signal but instead wire the normal AV composite signal to the SCART, so that you can use the Gamecube with a TV that has only SCART connectors. The only real Gamecube RGB Scart Cable comes from Nintendo, but this cable does not provide any additional audio outputs, so you only have your TV's speakers for sound, and cannot connect your Gamecube to a Surrond Sound Receiver. Looks like on the Gamecube, you can either have great picture or great sound, but not both. "

So why you did buy an unofficial scart cable you're basically getting a converter :0. You're not getting progessive scan :0.

Also you can buy unofficial VGA converters which can deliever 480P but that's another issue :0.

Ymeegod · « **Reply #16 on:** June 06, 2004, 11:09:20 AM »

Also, yeah--most Pal Games don't have progressive scan, but there's a couple that slipped through.

So for europeans there's no sense to get an HDTV at all

, at least not for your GC. But if you want you can import american games and use freeloaded to get 480P.

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- NintendoFan - · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2004, 01:09:14 PM »

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NintendoFan: Monster Cable has component, my friend has one.

I am pretty sure they do not. Are you sure it wasn't composite? Here take a look at there website: Monster Game - GAMECUBE

KDR_11k · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2004, 10:00:59 PM »

Ymeegod: Can you name a aingle PAL game that can deliver progressive scan? Because I never encountered one.

Weshy · « **Reply #19 on:** June 27, 2004, 03:25:36 PM »

There are no PAL progressive scan games and there never will be (well at least in the near future). Same goes for all consoles. You know why? A little research will show that PAL does not have progressive scan support, due to it running on a higher hertz rating than NTSC (well that's the official reason...). If you want progressive, you'll need to stick with NTSC games.

Weshy.

Ymeegod · « **Reply #20 on:** June 27, 2004, 04:53:30 PM »

"does not have progressive scan support, due to it running on a higher hertz rating than NTSC (well that's the official reason...). If "

Actually you have to switch that option on during bootup and no, not all GC have 60hzs.

Think I recalled a few of Acclaim games were ported so quickly that they are basically the US games with Pal regional unlocked. You'll get 1/3 inch border or choppy frames but you can enable progressive scan if you have the US component adapter.

And the hertz wasn't the reason nintendo or MS disabled progressive scan--it's the lack of consumers who have them in europe. They basically said not enough people had them to warrant the effort and costs.

The PS2 does have Pal enabled games--dont' recall what model you needed but it's there.

anubis6789 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 27, 2004, 07:35:19 PM »

thecubedcanuck, I believe that a direct view CRT is even better for games (and everything else I think) than a RPCRT. You are right about plasmas and LCDs though, they are horrible wastes of money (especially plasma) that only have size as their advantage. The only problem with CRTs are finding a native 720p set for a reasonable price ( I prefer 720p to 1080i).

BTW did anyone else notice that Samsung released a 27" (3:4) 480p direct view CRT for under $500, which is the perfect thing for anyone who wants to play their GCN games in pro scan for a good price. I would get one but I have no clue how good Samsung's TVs are. I f anyone could give me the heads up on the picture quality and if its good I'm getting it. BTW there is also a 32" version as well.

Ymeegod · « **Reply #22 on:** June 27, 2004, 08:25:08 PM »

Picture quality is quite good, I have their 30 inch widescreen one (which I got for $540 :0. The only issue I had with mine is there's no native 720P support. There's 480P or 1080I.

Consumer Reports rated two of their sets very high considering the price.

anubis6789 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 27, 2004, 08:30:31 PM »

Thanks Ymeegod, I am now seriously considering getting one.

BTW how did you get that TV for $540? that is quite the deal.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 28, 2004, 05:49:11 AM »

I personally prefer DLP, but if you like CRTs, they are just as good.

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