Author Topic: Sony may lose steam challenging Nintendo here!!! (Read 34062 times)

areefer · « **Reply #50 on:** May 19, 2004, 11:02:26 PM »

I applaud those of you that have high hopes for the psp because competition could bring us a good war and we the gamers will be the real winners as the the psp and ds fight for supremacy in our palms, but just one thing I'm not yet convinced of, will psp offer alot that ds or gba won't cause sony dosen't have any top notch 1st party games and it's virtually impossible that we'll see mario, zelda, metroid or any of Nintendo's million sellers on psp but there's a good chance that between devil may cry, gta, final fantasy, metal gear, and other sony million sellers we'll see some of them on ds.

HereticPB · « **Reply #51 on:** May 19, 2004, 11:32:37 PM »

Ports and rehases? Hmm, GT4 Mobile, Metal Gear Acid?

Ok, to that one statement this is Sonys first entrance into portable gaming so they wont do as good. Cough Excuse me you do remember that the PS1 was Sony's first time and look what it did. Of course it did have a head start. Which the tables are turned and the DS is first and the PSP is late.

Problem is everybody trusts the name Sony in gaming now days. When people refferred to games in the past they said that would be a cool Nintendo game but now it is wouldn't that be a cool Playstation game!!

Sony is on the brain no matter how you look at it. To me, a die hard Nintendo fan, the PSP just looks slicker than the DS. People now don't care how games look as long as the hardware looks awesome and is so powerful it can burn your eyes out, which creates the cool factor something Nintendo does not have at all.

Ohh look it can play mp3s, oh wow movies too! Despite feelings on mp3s these nifty little files are very high quality. Anything past 128kbps sounds good or near a cd. The movies will come on that new UMD disc format which makes me think of Mini-Disc and look how that took off (it didn't if your wondering). And you will have to buy the same movies again if you already have them on DVD. Which at 20 to 30 dollars is going to anger some people. Why should I buy this again when I have the dvd at home or in my car or a portable and with more quality in video and audio!!

GBA video: interesting they are cartoons and not movies. Cartoons are shorter and can be compressed a lot more than movies without any problems and are placed on a cartridge no moving parts. An average movie of 1.5 hours running off a 6 hour battery is not good. If you are watching a 2 hour movie your gaming time is going to be a lot shorter.

The only thing that will make people notice the DS is if the games are around 20 to 25 dollars. If Sony has portable games at 35 to 50 which will more than likely happen the above looks a lot better.

Of course this would not happen as 3rd party game companies have to take a pay cut and this would not be good for game companies as they have to paying licensening fees etc. So 10 bucks licensing for a game you only get 10 to 15 dollars profit.

I really do not think price matters anymore though in this day and age. PS1 and 2 started at 300 bucks and the flew off the shelves. DS will probably be $99.99 while the PSP will be 200 to a max 350. But who is gonna buy a system with moving parts, low durabilty, and a high price for a portable that can be dropped and easily broken.

I'm sorry if I am all over the place in this post I really have nothing to say but wait and see!

Chongman · « **Reply #52 on:** May 20, 2004, 03:11:33 AM »

PS1 in no way flew off the shelves when it launched...

I remember unfondly of that day when I though "HAH! good luck sony..." And I rue it.

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Then again if 25% of the people that own PS2 buy a PSP that would be some trouble for the DS.

If 25% of people who own a gba buy a ds.........

and what makes you think they wont?

if 10% of gba users bought at launch, that'd still be one hell of a number, and with a few months head start, momentum will show you what it can do.

jasonditz · « **Reply #53 on:** May 20, 2004, 05:10:27 AM »

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I really do not think price matters anymore though in this day and age.

Good to hear you're doing so well.

areefer · « **Reply #54 on:** May 20, 2004, 07:26:16 AM »

When the ds comes out I believe more than half of the people who own a gba-sp will buy it and about the original ps flying off the shelves, it took about 6 months for that to really happen cause everybody was skeptical and saying it cost too much and the disc would scratch too easy, but as I've said a million times Nintendo waited a YEAR AND A HALF which was totally insane and the original gameboy didn't fly off the shelves at first either but every one since the first one has so here we go again.

We all have heard and read enough about the way the ds and psp are built to know that the psp will be more expensive and with that said sony's toughest job is going to be showing consumers that it's actually worth buying over the ds AND that it's going to have a better selection of games and those are going to be two VERY hard things to do because millions of gameboyers trust Nintendo and all of a sudden that's going to change. NOT.

Also history teaches us that the only systems that have had a major impact on the company's first attempt have been in the absence of a major contender and each of these systems took about six months for consumers to really start buying.

1-nes (took video-gaming to new heights after intial skepticisim was pushed aside)
2-gameboy (slow out the gates but once it took off it took off)
3-ps1 (came out about six months after sega saturn which was killed by virtually no 3rd party support)
4-psp (if the above statement applied to the ds sony would be in for a smooth ride but we all know ds isn't going to lack support)

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #55 on:** May 20, 2004, 08:32:41 AM »

If 25% of people who own GBA buy A DS......

true that would be a large number, and a impressive start for Nintendo too.

I only threw in the comment about "If 25% of people who own PS2 buy a PSP" so i don't look to fanboy, but in the end if u knew me i would be Nintendo Fanboy #1. Although a fan, i try to put some thought as i flame Sony or the occasional Xbox. In otherwords im a intelligent fanboy, lol.

joeamis · « **Reply #56 on:** May 20, 2004, 10:03:34 AM »

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When the ds comes out I believe more than half of the people who own a gba-sp will buy it and about the original ps flying off the shelves, it took about 6 months for that to really happen cause everybody was skeptical and saying it cost too much and the disc would scratch too easy, but as I've said a million times Nintendo waited a YEAR AND A HALF which was totally insane and the original gameboy didn't fly off the shelves at first either but every one since the first one has so here we go again.

We all have heard and read enough about the way the ds and psp are built to know that the psp will be more expensive and with that said sony's toughest job is going to be showing consumers that it's actually worth buying over the ds AND that it's going to have a better selection of games and those are going to be two VERY hard things to do because millions of gameboyers trust Nintendo and all of a sudden that's going to change. NOT.

Actually the PS1 sold 100,000 units in it's first weekend. Heres a quote: "SONY PLAYSTATION SALES EXCEED 100,000 UNITS IN FIRST WEEKEND
- September 9 Was Largest Day in History of Video Game Industry -"
That's pretty impressive, and even more so becaues that was close to 9 years ago when the industry was alot smaller.

Nintendo did not wait a year a a half to release the N64 after the PS1, they waited 1 year and 20 days.

You say millions of Gameboyers will never switch to PSP, well that's what everyone said about PS1 and N64 and PS2 and GC and millions switched in those cases, it's already happened before so why couldn't it happen again?

jasonditz · « **Reply #57 on:** May 20, 2004, 10:27:51 AM »

it takes a killer app to move a system.

Put simply, the killer app on handheld systems is (and has been for years) Pokemon.

The PS1 had Battle Arena Toshinden, the PS2 had GTA3... I'm just not sure a handheld racing game and a card-based Metal Gear are reason enough for most people to buy a system.

Graphical superiority isn't nearly as important as Sony is assuming. Every major challanger the Gameboy has faced since its creation has been graphically superior, and they all fell for basically the same reasons: less quality titles and worse battery life. Sony is the one company that should know better... they're defeating the graphically superior Gamecube and Xbox as we speak.

Sony has obviously produced a graphically superior system in the PSP, and might even be able to bring the quality titles to the table (though it remains to be seen)... but they still have the battery life problem, and that's a major hurdle to jump.

I'm not even convinced the DS is going to be a serious challange on the market to the GBA. Oh sure, with its backwards compatibility it will be the "next system of choice" for the GBA crowd (barring a new Gameboy coming out), but its going to need some compelling software to make people switch.

joeamis · « **Reply #58 on:** May 20, 2004, 10:59:15 AM »

Good post Jason. I believe the PSP will have killer apps, primarily from 3rd parties. Companies will likely put out titles atleast as good as the ones for PS2 (not referring to technical capabilities only). With as many developers making games as the DS, while the PSP is not as close to releasing, the likelyhood for killer apps is very good. If the PSP does not have very good launch titles and 1st generation titles yes it will have a tough time competing.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #59 on:** May 20, 2004, 11:54:24 AM »

"The PS1 had Battle Arena Toshinden"

Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. The PSX's killer app was Final Fantasy VII. Until that game was released the N64 was "winning" the console wars. The only people who bought a Playstation at launch were the hardcore. And even if you bought it at launch I would consider Ridge Racer as the killer app or Tekken if that was available at launch.

And I really don't think the Playstation's head start had really anything to do with it beating the N64. Third parties couldn't make the games they wanted with the N64 cartridge format but they could make them on the PSX so they jumped ship and gamers followed them. That situation is the only way I could see the PSP creaming the DS or even selling better than it. Whether that situation happens or not (after all the cartridge/disc issue is back again) remains to be seen as the two designs both have a lot of unique abilities.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #60 on:** May 20, 2004, 12:04:24 PM »

From what I've seen the DS seems to have FAR more developer support than the PSP. Not only does it have more developers, but it has an very wide variety, not to mention the fact that they're all practically slobbering over it like (Like Square-Enix's president).

jasonditz · « **Reply #61 on:** May 20, 2004, 12:04:39 PM »

FF7 sold really well and all, but I'd hardly call it the "console mover" of the PS1. At least not in North America.

Battle Arena Toshinden was a lot bigger in that regard. It blew away Virtua Fighter and made the PS1 look vastly superior to the Sega Saturn, its chief competitor at the time. It was the default "check this out" graphics demo for the system for quite some time.

joeamis · « **Reply #62 on:** May 20, 2004, 02:20:05 PM »

I wouldn't say the DS has FAR more developer support than the PSP because the DS has 100 developers and the PSP has 99 developers, and the DS is closer to release so the development kits were ready earlier.

I remember when PS1 first came out my friend had a party with 20 people there and the titles everyone slobbered over were Ridge Racer, Battle Arena Toshinden, and WWF Wrestlemania. The last title was a unique take on wrestling and still my favorite wrestling game to this day even though I don't dig wrestling. I think both Jason and Ian are correct as far as what were killer apps, BAT, RR, and Tekken started the killer app, but FF7 was the big killer app (2 years after launch).

Chongman · « **Reply #63 on:** May 20, 2004, 04:06:14 PM »

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the DS is closer to release so the development kits were ready earlier.

No, I got the feeling that they recieved kits roughly at the same time due to all the secrecy measures that Nintendo underwent.

Something I really like though is nintendo's aggressiveness and the fact that they're launching this several months before psp. Hmmm...does this remind anybody else of someone else's similar tactic?

jasonditz · « **Reply #64 on:** May 20, 2004, 04:14:17 PM »

notwithstanding any Nintendo secrecy measures, the most important developer is Nintendo, and they undoubtedly got the kits long before anyone else.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #65 on:** May 20, 2004, 04:16:27 PM »

Well duh...*slightly confused*

joeamis · « **Reply #66 on:** May 20, 2004, 04:49:23 PM »

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the DS is closer to release so the development kits were ready earlier.

No, I got the feeling that they recieved kits roughly at the same time due to all the secrecy measures that Nintendo underwent.

Something I really like though is nintendo's aggressiveness and the fact that they're launching this several months before psp. Hmmm...does this remind anybody else of someone else's similar tactic?

Reminds me of Sega who did that with all of their home consoles (master system, genesis, saturn, dreamcast). The Saturn was the best case of this where they scrambled to put it out before PS1 came out, and they were able to get it out a couple months earlier but it ended up being a very bad decision. Anyways Nintendo won't pull a Sega.

But what were all the secrecy measures? I doubt that resulted in developers getting the development kits 6 months later but if you can justify that I would alter my views accordingly.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #67 on:** May 20, 2004, 05:14:08 PM »

Most developers didn't have kits for DS until just a couple months ago. The whole reason Nintendo announced the DS before E3 was because they started sending out dev kits and knew that info would leak one way or another.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #68 on:** May 20, 2004, 08:34:31 PM »

If anyone cares, the PSP was set for a Q4 2004 release before it got delayed.

As for the GBA crowd migrating, you know, I think they won't move. "ANOTHER handheld? I just bought one last year!"

joeamis · « **Reply #69 on:** May 20, 2004, 09:50:08 PM »

It appears the footage of the PSP games show at E3 like MGS: Acid infact didn't come close to fully utilizing the specs of the system (from a 1st generation game standpoint ofcourse.) So what looked very good will apparently be able to look alot better.
Link-> PSP

Despite that it also brings issues to play that could be detrimental for the PSP, but overall it appears this news is a very positive thing for PSP.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #70 on:** May 21, 2004, 05:35:20 AM »

Same likely goes for the DS.

Gamebasher · « **Reply #71 on:** May 21, 2004, 07:19:19 AM »

KDR_11k, I couldn´t agree more on your above statement that the PSP is just another handheld. Nintendo also make it clear that the NDS is a new road to travel, as opposed to the PSP which is just more of the same.

So of course, Nintendo should be able to keep it´s fanbase and attract even more to it as the NDS releases this year. Afterall, nomatter how beautifull the screen on the PSP, and nomatter how much you can do with it, it is the SOFTWARE THAT A GAMECONSOLE MAKE! And we all know what wonders lie ahead with those games now made possible with the NDS. Nintendo reinvigorates the whole industry, and this is why they get this level of support for it (over 100 companies).

joeamis · « **Reply #72 on:** May 21, 2004, 05:51:04 PM »

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Same likely goes for the DS.

I find it very surprising for you to say that knowing that you're good with technical stuff. Did you read the entire article? The games for DS were running on the actual hardware while PSP games were run on emulators. Emulators that had 3 times less ram than what PSP will actually have, and no real use of the vector co-processor. Those are huge conditions for the look of the games.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #73 on:** May 21, 2004, 06:09:10 PM »

Why did Sony have them running on emulators?

And I think KDR is still right in the sense that a lot of the DS games shown at E3 have been under development for a very short period of time (which most likely explains many people's complaints that they seem like "tech demos").

Bloodworth · « **Reply #74 on:** May 21, 2004, 09:32:03 PM »

The reason the demos were so short (as has been brought up several times) is that Nintendo intentionally made the demos short so people could go around and try out a variety of different gameplay in the limited time frame. There's more to the games that were shown, and a lot of games in production that haven't been announced.

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Author Topic: Sony may lose steam challenging Nintendo here!!! (Read 34062 times)