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Offline Ian Sane

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« Reply #225 on: February 03, 2005, 08:01:20 PM »
"Evolution is boring and pointless..."

No Evolution is essential.  A complete overhaul of a method that is not broken solely for the purpose of being different is pointless.  Evolution is superior because it provides OPTIONS.  If you want to play old style games you can and there's room to make new types of games too.  Everybody gets what they want.  The whole reason Nintendo is nothing to the mainstream anymore is because they suck at providing options.  Everything has to be their way.  Well not everyone wants to always do it their way.  People want to play every type of game and Nintendo for the last ten years hasn't let them.

Sony wins all the time because they provide the options and give people what they want.  Nintendo loses because they're restrictive and TELL people what they want.  If the Revolution is completely different then every console ever made it will be the most restrictive console since the Virtual Boy.  Restrictive consoles fail because gamers and developers don't want to be stuck with a major limitation.

The only way a console that completely changes everything will succeed is if people view the new method as completely superior to the old method.  There's like a one in a billion chance of that happening.

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« Reply #226 on: February 03, 2005, 09:05:21 PM »
POLL? do you think revolution will be REVOLUTIONARY or GIMMICKY

while i hope it is something that will blow all the sony and microsoft fanboys' heads apart (literaly) i have a hunch the revolution is gonna be gimmicky. (rubbing controllers??? stfu.)
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« Reply #227 on: February 04, 2005, 04:08:44 AM »
The whole reason Nintendo is nothing to the mainstream anymore is because they suck at providing options

Oh I'd love to hear why this is the case, and the controller isn't a good argument...

As you should know with the theory of evolution, a being can only change so much before transforming into something completely different; a new species...Well I see videogaming in this same category...The so-called "evolution" that we are in now has really brought nothing new to the table except increasingly complicated polygon whore fests...I see this in all the games this generation, Nintendo games included...In fact, if Nintendo didn't make such great games I wouldn't be gaming anymore, as I see that I'm playing the same genres using the same methods as I did years ago, except with more buttons and more button combos to pull off new moves...There's only so far you can take it, and this generation is the breaking point, in my opinion...

Of course, Nintendo IS taking a huge risk here, a risk I'm anticipating with much tension...Not because I don't think Nintendo has come up with a fantastic idea, but because of mindset of the industry as a whole...Why should someone like EA make games involving a new innovative method when they sell so much rehashing the same games over and over and over?  But then again, gamers will eventually tire of this as I have already...

I'm sick of seeing ridicule for Nintendo for taking risks when they've been bashed the very same for NOT taking risks...I'm glad that someone out there realized that gaming is a sinking ship and said "Let's do something different."  And if Nintendo fails then at least I'll be rid of the shithole that is our current gaming industry...  
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« Reply #228 on: February 04, 2005, 06:32:23 AM »
"I'm sick of seeing ridicule for Nintendo for taking risks when they've been bashed the very same for NOT taking risks"

The problem is you're seeing it purely in black and white.  It's not just a matter of not taking risks and taking risks.  Not taking risks is no good because it's clear that what Nintendo is doing now isn't working.  However not all risks are equal.  It's not just about taking risks it's about taking intelligent risks.  I just don't see completely overhauling game design as an intelligent risk.  I think that has a very high potential of turning away large chunks of the existing fanbase who don't feel that stuff like the Eyetoy is the way of the future.  I also think that this decision is largely based on what's going on in the Japanese market and thus isn't a good strategy for the worldwide market.  And finally I'm just afraid that Nintendo is going to stop making the types of games I'm interested in by going off on a bizarre tangent.  You say that if Nintendo didn't make such great games you wouldn't be in gaming anymore.  Well that's pretty much the same for me.  So I'm afraid that if Nintendo goes off in too weird of a direction they won't make great games anymore or at least not games I consider great.  So thus I'll be left with virtually no developers that appeal to me.

When I write about Nintendo taking risks I mean calculated intelligent risks like acquiring small but capable developers and allowing them to add diversity to Nintendo's lineup, making brand new games like Pikmin instead of relying so much on sequels, delving into other genres that Nintendo isn't really familiar with, trying new forms of marketing, and losing money in the short term to build a strong online presence for the future.  Nintendo can take risks without doing something borderline insane.

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« Reply #229 on: February 04, 2005, 08:14:04 AM »
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"Slighest intention" to me sounds like "we don't plan at all to accomodate traditional game design". Every time I get myself into the mindset that, like the DS, the Revolution will allow for both wacky and traditional game design Nintendo pops one of these quotes on me and fills my head with Virtual Boys.
Thus far, all "leaked" info points to backwards compatability with the GameCube.  If this is true, then I think it's safe to assume that the Revolution will be able to play traditional games.  However, that could be a big "if".
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« Reply #230 on: February 04, 2005, 08:16:02 PM »
i've read some rummors Sony wants to release the PS3 March of 06, in at least one market

a little common sense says that all three companies know what each are doing and are planing thier strategies accordingly.  Sony could launch in March successfully, Nintendo though needs the Christmas season as their consoles are usually cheaper and easier to purchase as a presents


also, how can they claim they are not competing with the Xbox 2 and PS3 and claim they are not going to let the competition get a head start on them
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« Reply #231 on: February 11, 2005, 01:07:40 PM »
I really hope the Nintendo Revolution is trully revolutionary to the gaming world, but not so differant that its impossible to port games from PS3 to the system.  The N64 was pretty revolutionary, but not so differant that it could support cross platform titles.  I am hoping to see new gameplay mechanics that are only possible on the Revoltion.  Some sort of new gaming element that no one has ever thought off, but relies on the special hardware to pull it off.  Change is usually a good thing, but if I cant play Resident Evil 5 on my Revolition I will be pissed.
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« Reply #232 on: February 21, 2005, 04:40:19 PM »
FInally....I finished reading this whole freaking thread. What time is it? Ahh s**t, I'll make this quick.

Anyways, good points were brought up. I'm interested in the camera angle patent thing cause supposedly it's soppose to get rid of split-screens, even in games like FPS. Other topic that caught my attention was the whole Gyration concept. I liked the fact that you could came entirely with your arm, but what if you point of screen? In other words is the aiming system similar to duck hunt, or does pointing farther of to the right let's say, make you spin faster to the right? It's a good first step into to virtual reality. The samus concept fits perfectly with the control. Now what about other games. What about football or something? How would you move the player around the field? I don't know how fun it would be, but it would seem pretty ridiculous to twist your wrist this way and that to successfully complete a run. It (the controller) must include some type of other directional input i.e. an anolog stick.  Also using one hand, even for Metriod, would take alot of concentration and skill. To aim with your arm, while moving forward somehow and maybe switching to missle mode. With two hands, sure it could be done, but aiming with both arms seems stupid at best. I mean, I don't want to be twisting my entire body just to play a game. It's not like i'm working out or stretching or something, I'm playing a freaking game in the comfort of my home. I guess it depends on how sensitive the gyroscope is.

All we can do is guess what the hell is going on, becuase no one knows what the Revolution is. All I can say is that Nintendo better know what they are doing. This isn't a concept in connectivity between two Nintendo products; This isn't the concept mic functionality, or two screens; This isn't an "innovative" concept for a game-----THIS IS A FREAKING CONSOLE. You see what happened to Sega? Ya don't let that happen to you Nintendo.
People hate to be let down. You might not of thought it by the sale figures, but Halo 2 dissapointed alot of people. Why? Becuase it was hyped to s**t.



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« Reply #233 on: February 21, 2005, 04:51:45 PM »
The Revolution hyped?  Ahaha, everywhere I look I see people belittling...If anything Ninty could wow just based off hilariously low expectations...
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« Reply #234 on: February 21, 2005, 05:34:09 PM »
Well Joytech should be proof of that...

Maybe not hype but there is still a level of expectation set.
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« Reply #235 on: February 24, 2005, 06:12:43 PM »
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 The Revolution hyped? Ahaha, everywhere I look I see people belittling...If anything Ninty could wow just based off hilariously low expectations...



Really? Huh? I've seen some pretty surprising stuff about legitimate gamers actually being intrested in whats so "revolutionary" about the Revolution. I tend to see that the people who be-little the revolution are ignorant troll fanboys, who have no other purpose but to troll stuff that doesnt originate from there fav. company. In that case? Who cares. They werent potential customers in the first place, so why care what they think?

my wild, out of the park educated guess on the Revolution :

Dual Processors (1.8, Probably Power PC G5's)
256 MB Ram
Custom ATI Video Card, 128/256 MB
15 GB, 7200 RPM Hard-Drive
720p compliant
Dolby 5.1 Digital Surround Sound

Gyration enabled controllers
Wi-Fi or Wi-Max enabled
With some other stuff, I cant really comprehend of this moment.
I really don't have anything to put here right now.  

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« Reply #236 on: February 25, 2005, 04:18:42 PM »
I don't care what happens, I'm still buying the Nintendo (whatever its called) and nothing else.  My first console was Nintendo.
I've had the SNES, 64, and Cube, I sold my Sega Genesis, and only bought FF games for my PS>  I will buy the next gen
Nintendo no matter what they do with it.  I'm a die hard fan.  

I'm sure Ex-Box will be cool, and P.retty S.h!++y 3 will be cool- but I'm going N all the way.

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« Reply #237 on: February 26, 2005, 11:51:59 AM »
If Nintendo markets the Revolution in a similar manner as the DS, I think its a step in the right direction.  The marketing for the DS was very sophisticated and well done.  If Nintendo properly markets revolutions superior qualities and uniqueness, they will be able to expand on their current cult following.  
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« Reply #238 on: February 26, 2005, 12:30:41 PM »
I think people have already made up their minds about whether they'll like Nintendo's next console.

It could be complete crap and people like me would still buy it for Metroid and Zelda.

It could be the best piece of hardware ever designed by human hands and some people would still find reasons to complain or brush it off.
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« Reply #239 on: February 26, 2005, 04:28:18 PM »
Paladin: Pretty much the only people who have their minds made up that the Revolution will suck are not the gamers, but the game journalists. I'm expecting a repeat of last year's E3 where Nintendo will wow everybody there, but inexplicably lose Best of Show to some unplayable trailer or hardware. Probably Halo 3.

The fact that gaming journalists call the PSP revolutionary and the DS's touchscreen a gimmick shows what kind of mindset they have. They're paid off by Sony
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« Reply #240 on: February 27, 2005, 11:43:37 AM »
I disagree, Nintendo has simply made to many mistakes in the past.  They did just about everything right with the DS except having enough software ready.    
Reggie Fils-Aime seems to have a great understanding of what nintendo needs to do, and recently commented on past mistakes that they dont plan to make again.  I think Nintendo is on the right track, more powerful hardware is important, but doesnt really change things to much.  New and fun ways of gaming is what will be trully revolutionary.  Cant wait for E3.
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« Reply #241 on: February 27, 2005, 02:56:46 PM »
mjbd,

the question is, will NCL not get in the way of Reggie??
It's seems that NOA knows what to do, but will NCL
let them do it?

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« Reply #242 on: February 27, 2005, 03:18:15 PM »
Yea I was.  I remember talking about Dolphin on that website when there was nothing to talk about, but I was obsessed with trying to find out more info.  Gamecube still has alot to offer, and I dont want to short live the system by looking to far ahead to new hardware.  Zelda is what I want to see the most of come E3, and of course find out whats so revolutionary about Revolution.  If Nintendo gets in the way of Reggie, they are morons.  He understands how things really work, and I would think that by now Nintendo of Japan would realize this.  
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« Reply #243 on: February 28, 2005, 02:21:28 PM »
True, I believe all systems from this generation could be around a lot longer.
I kinda blame Sony for this.  They were talking about PS3 back in
1999.  The only reason Xbox2 is releasing so early is that Sony
is releasing PS3 in 06.  I hope Nintendo doesn't wait a year again.
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« Reply #244 on: March 14, 2005, 04:11:35 PM »
i'm not sure all of this has been posted here.  i think some of this was in noble feather's topic, but it was locked.

President Satoru Iwata discusses Nintendo's next game machine, which will stress intuitiveness, easy of use and mysterious new features

Nintendo helped revolutionize the video-game industry and continues to dominate the handheld console business with its GameBoy Advance and new Nintendo DS. But on Mar. 24, Sony  will launch its new PlayStation Portable handheld. Along with Microsoft which makes the Xbox, it's also challenging Nintendo in next-generation home consoles.

At the annual Game Developer's Conference in San Francisco on Mar. 10, Nintendo President Satoru Iwata outlined his broad vision for keeping his company in the race. Widely believed to be available in 2006, Nintendo's next game console, code-named Revolution, will be backward compatible with previous generations of games, wirelessly enabled, and equipped with numerous (still unnamed) features that will change the way people play games, according to Iwata.

It's a tall order. In a one-on-one interview, BusinessWeek Correspondent Cliff Edwards talked to him about those goals and the increasing competition facing Nintendo. Here are some edited excerpts:

Q: You mentioned Nintendo Revolution will have a totally new interface, a completely different look for gamers. Can you elaborate?
A: The new interface will allow some new forms of innovation. Already, you're seeing changes in Nintendo DS, which has a microphone, input pen, and touch screen. We have a number of candidates for a new interface but are not ready to reveal them. All I can say right now is that whatever we choose will be intuitive and easy to use for everyone.

Q: Well, you showed several new games that used voice commands. Is that one of your candidates?
A: It certainly makes a game better to have voice commands, because it can alter how the game is played. But the fact of the matter is, to realize voice commands, all you have to do is install a microphone. We realize a few of our competitors are already thinking of following us on this, so it will not be a defining feature of the new console. We may or may not use the microphone in the new [Nintendo Revolution] interface.

Q: You also challenged game developers to think outside of the box on new games. Why?
A: Games already pretty much have reached the point of photo-realism. Working on more intense graphics is not the only path we can take anymore. Simply relying on the sheer horsepower of the machine will not bring the industry a bright future.

Q: When will you get Revolution development kits out to game creators?
A: Development kits are already out there, depending on which stage you're talking about. All I can say right now is "in the near-future" for the basis platform information they will need to get started on games.

Q: A lot has been said about Microsoft's new Xbox console coming out later this year. If that's the case, it may have a year's lead on you, and many are predicting Nintendo will be the big loser, not Sony. What are your thoughts here?
A: Whether Nintendo is a winner or loser on Revolution totally depends on how our customers react to it, and since they do not know much about it, I can't respond. A year or two from now, it will be interesting to know who ultimately made the right choices. I'm confident we have made the right decisions.

Q: Still, a lot of people say there are lessons to be learned from previous mistakes with console introductions. What have you learned from Nintendo's missteps?
A: I should point out two lessons: We really needed to understand the differences and the needs of the territories, and also the importance of timing. It's important not only to have the right timing of when the hardware is going to be released but also when we are going to be able to introduce quality software.

Q: Nintendo is one of the biggest game software publishers in the world. Does having such big hits make it more difficult to get third-party publishers like Electronic Arts on board, since they have to compete with you?
A: Of course, third-party publishers, like everyone, face increasing risks associated with creating games, and you have to target your resources to the right places and the right platforms. Our competitors [in the hardware business] are the ones who are willing to shell out big money to ensure third-party support, but I believe as long as Nintendo can find the appropriate strategy to make us stand out, they will develop for our platforms.


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« Reply #245 on: March 15, 2005, 07:50:24 AM »
I think Microsoft just wants to get out before Sony because they think they can beat them this generation. If they have the same marketing hype that surrounded Halo 2 then I guess anything is possible. I agree that there is life and great games to be played on the current consoles we have now. I kinda wish that they would keep these consoles out longer to see what developers can do being more familar with them. Make better games not stronger consoles.
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« Reply #246 on: March 15, 2005, 12:37:30 PM »
Think of it this way.  Sega released the Saturn which could out do everything and much more than the SNES and Genesis could do with sprites.  But Nintendo and Sony came along with 3d systems, Nintendo specifically with its standard analog control.  It was not just an asthetic but a more advanced game development tool because of analog control.  

Sega released the Dreamcast which did everything and more that PSX and N64 could do graphically and control wise, but then three dual analog systems were released with supperior graphics hardware.  

Now MS is going to release a system which graphically compared to the Xbox and GameCube is like the Saturn or Dreamcast compared to their respective previous generations.  Yeah MS is screwed if the past really does say something about the future.  Nintendo and Sony will have a year to release better looking games and better controllers.  

Even if Nintendo only puts one gyro in their controller they still destroy MS's rehashed Stype NextBox controller.


Iwata says that graphics are already about to be photorealistc and he is asking what are we going to do now to make games more realistic?  

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« Reply #247 on: March 15, 2005, 06:55:48 PM »
...and yet the PS2 was released a year before the GameCube and XBox and only a year after the Dreamcast.

The PS2 has inferior graphics and still outsells the others. If the Xenon is released this year and the others next year, Microsoft may be hoping to do the same thing Sony did. It may end up being weaker than the revolution or PS3, but as we've aready seen that doesn't matter.


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« Reply #248 on: March 16, 2005, 11:28:14 AM »
Something to keep in mind is that Sega was already up to it's neck in trouble by the time the Dreamcast came out.  Dreamcast didn't do extremely well anyway, but I believe that's partially because people had lost a lot of faith in Sega.  The company basically had nothing but failures after the Genesis...not to rag on the products themselves, some were good and some were bad, but business-wise there were a lot of mistakes.

I think Microsoft is in a more favourable position.  It has tons of money, the Xbox is riding high on the Halo wave, and Xbox Live does and will continue to offer the most refined online experience.  Nobody sees Microsoft's console as a failure except for hardcore geeks and maybe a few financial analysts who know that Xbox has lost tons of money.  Most customers don't know, and don't really care: Xbox is cool, and it came from nowhere to take second place in North America.

That's not to say MS doesn't face any challenges.  An early launch could result in too few games to satisfy customers; the new system is likely to go from most powerful to least powerful; the company is trying to make a profit by dumping features like the harddrive; MS doesn't seem to be introducing anything new, while Sony and Nintendo both have more advanced controllers in the works.  These things could definitely turn the Xenon into another Saturn or Dreamcast, but I think it's too early to tell.
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« Reply #249 on: March 16, 2005, 04:12:43 PM »
it depends...you see....sony had squaresoft.....
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