Topic: GCN2 = "Revolution"

[Truthliesn1seyes]

Ive played that game before, but that can't be the control.  Thats way too simplistic even with the motion thing.  I doubt that could be true though, since it'll allianate 80 or so percent of video game genres.  I don't see how they can make much of their core franchise games off something like that.  A proper Mario or Zelda game would'nt work too well with that setup.  

[odifiend]

Been a while since i've done any french but here goes a better translation:

If Microsoft speaks openly about its Xbox2, the buzz around the famous Revolution, the code name of the next parlour console from the Nintendo, begins seriously to be felt.  With a name so revealing which says much about the ambitions of the maker, Satura Iwata declared recently at a Japanese press conference that he wanted the machine to change the way we play.
Today, it is an 'anonymous' source which we can judge as credible (since [the source] had already revealed the capacities of the DS before its official announcement) who was explaining to us what exactly the Nintendo's Revolution would be.  Side(?) software, the console would be backwards compatible with the older Gamecube games, one Super Smash Bros is already half way through its development and it, along with a new Mario, will be a preview for the launch line up around 2006.

On the level of the console itself, it ought to integrate two processors, be equipped with ( some kind of adapter I think and hope broadband), four controller ports, a hard disk along with the utility of a new format in HD-DVD.  If we want to believe the dreams of this information, we'll continue with a game pad that will be truly revolutionary!  Nintendo will in fact use the Gyration technology in the controller, a new system which will allow a player to sense actions, touch,  the feel of slick ground or the stingers of a monster... the same source finishes their article by leaving us to dream in light of "Touching is good but feeling is better' [Nemo didn't you come up with that exact same slogin?]  That is all for the moment on the rumor while awaiting  next may at e3 with the presentation of the console during Nintendo's conference.

EDIT:  Guys calm down it is a controller.  But it sounds like it is going to have some amazing feedback or nerve triggers going on.

[Ian Sane]

"I doubt that could be true though, since it'll allianate 80 or so percent of video game genres."

Well yeah.  That's obviously the big fear, right?

Odifiend's translation suggests a controller that has Gyration technology but may build on what's already there.  That's more reassuring but I'm still nervous.  Fortunately it looks like "hand-lever" is just a crappy translation of "controller".  Miyamoto had this little phase where he kept talking about a game where the user could see a lever in a game and then actual pull it themselves so when I saw "lever" that's what I assumed.  Looks like it might just be a coincedence.

[Bill Aurion]

Miyamoto had this little phase where he kept talking about a game where the user could see a lever in a game and then actual pull it themselves so when I saw "lever" that's what I assumed.

That's what you get for assuming things...

In that quote that you mention, I believe Miyamoto was talking about Zelda DS in particular...  

[Truthliesn1seyes]

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Originally posted by: odifiend

Guys calm down it is a controller.  But it sounds like it is going to have some amazing feedback or nerve triggers going on.

Thanks for the translation, its alot clearer now.  This makes sence now that you think about it, assuming this is something that will be added onto existing controllers as apposed to using a huge stick lol.  Nintendo were the first to introduce force feedback to home console controllers so it should be fitting that they introduce the next step beyond force feedback.

[norebonomis]

i don't know if you guys have talked about it on here yet, i just found this on joystiq. revolution to cause a 'paridigm shift' ? i mean, damn, nintendo usualy hypes but that is a hefty promise.

[Hostile Creation]

I'm getting excited about Revolution now.  I ignored it up till this point, but now it's getting to me.
However, after E3, while I still expect to be excited, my attention will probably be more heavily focused on, say, Zelda and other such games.

Anyway, that sounds pretty awesome.  I can't wait to see what's going on.

[odifiend]

Being able to feel is what has me excited now.  It claims you'll be able to feel or somehow recognize a slick floor or spines on a monster.  How would they be able to do this unless the controller is sending some kind of signal that interacts with the body itself (or they're exaggerating )?  I am now more interested about the controller and its price than the system itself.  Smash Bros is great news - solid and popular game and if Nintendo decides to go online, that and Pokemon are the best bet.

[Ian Sane]

That joystiq article is pretty harsh towards Nintendo but the quote "Enough with the smoke blowing, let’s let the Revolution speak for itself!" does have some merit.  Nintendo hypes a lot of what they do as industry changing.  That's all fine and good when they deliver but their track record lately has been shoddy.  A waterpack in Super Mario Sunshine, connectivity, a microphone for Mario Party 6, etc. were all built up huge as big innovations by Nintendo.  We're still debating whether or not these ideas were even good let alone industy changing.  Even the DS has its fair share of critics questioning the usefulness of its new features.

Joystiq's attitude is representative of a lot of gamers.  For the last few years Nintendo has been talking up a storm and then not delivering.  So people are saying "show me don't tell me".  It makes sense.  Nintendo has set it up so that they HAVE to deliver something for the Revolution that is not only a major change but a welcome one as well.  If they just shut up they would have less pressure to deliver and could show up at E3 with something that is merely interesting and still catch people's attention.

[Bill Aurion]

Nintendo hypes a lot of what they do as industry changing.

And you are exaggerating tenfold...Ninty never called the waterpack "industry changing"...They merely didn't want word of it coming out before the game was revealed...It's gamers like you that overexaggerate what Ninty says and does and that only makes them look worse...Stop assuming every little thing Ninty hides is something amazingly shocking...

[Ian Sane]

"Stop assuming every little thing Ninty hides is something amazingly shocking... "

Well what's a more realistic solution?  Everyone agreeing to stop hyping up Nintendo or Nintendo not opening their mouth so much about future announcements?  Nintendo didn't reveal the waterpack because they were afraid other companies would rip them off.  Companies only rip off really great ideas so by saying something like that Nintendo was implying that the idea was great enough that numerous clones would pop up everywhere like they did when Super Mario 64 was revealed.  What are we supposed to think?

Anyway in this scenario Nintendo clearly is promising something big regardless of how we interpret it.  "Paradigm shift" is a strong choice of words.  Iwata isn't just implying a big change he's literally promising it.

[Hostile Creation]

I never remember any hype about the microphone, nor were they very secretive about it.  But that's a moot point.

Nintendo does let too much anticipation build up.  I like how they're secretive, really, but they shouldn't say things that suggest what they're making is good at all.  Keep the hopes low and they'll only shoot up higher when the time comes.

[nemo_83]

Yeah, I came up with a very similar slogan to that.  Could be blind luck, or great minds thinking alike.  Or somebody could be listening.  


Once upon a time I figured out Zelda would be more like the old 2d games if it were cel shaded and I posted it on boards online and then the realistic demo was shown and my dreams were crushed.  I continued my campaign for cel shading in Zelda in spite of the realistic Zelda and then one day WW was shown.  I remember suggesting that powerups like the mushrooms should be in Mario games again, Mario64x4 has mushrooms.  I suggested the dpad could be removed and now rummor is that there is no dpad on the Revolution.  Recently one day I wrote on the board that I thought a cool commercial would involve people in Nintendo character suits running through the streets of a city chanting something about the Revolution; then a few days later the Pikmin 2 commercial came out with striking similarities.  I guess I'm a prophet wasting my talents on predicting the future of the videogame industry.  I predicted in 2003 that Nintendo would go this path with a revolution, and now they are.  Nintendo agrees with me that the current market is saturated with hardware that is making boarders for software.  There are too many people going for the same slice of pie.  Consumers don't see a real difference between consoles, and they have to own two or three just to be able to play games all of the time.  I'm sure Nintendo's next controller will still be able to play any GameCube game (most likely better) just as the DS can still do any GBA game.  It's just that Revolution games will let you run the character's hand through the grass in a field and swing a sword.  Nintendo has to offer something the competition is not, graphics are great but they are not enough.  I would rather feel the cold air in a snow stage through my Revolution controller than have a keyboard in front of me on the Xbox 2.  Nintendo is setting the new standard for realism, and it doesn't matter how powerful the PS3's Cell chip is when your still playing with a SNES controller.  Games have gotten too complicated, I'm tired of spending an hour going through lessons on how to play a game before I can play it.  Gyration is just part of the answer.  Other ideas that have been bounced around on this board that seem likely are standard wirelessness (no controller ports), a handle for each hand rather than a unified controller, the floating analog stick, mice wheels, and new impulse/ sensory generators.  

I don't like hearing people talking about not competing with the competition that shares the shelf with them, but I do understand that I'm not interested in what the competition is offering, which is the same thing we've already had but with better graphics.  If Nintendo doesn't deliver with the Revolution I'm simply going to quit gaming because there is no other show in town offering something new.  The industry has hit a cieling and once again it is up to Nintendo to save everyone's butts.

[Sunshine_HappyPants]

I wonder what the clairvoyant Sir Nemo_83 foresees as far as Nintendo expanding it's development resources in anticipation of the Revolution? Do you see a major defection occuring? Would it suprise you if either Clover Studios or Sonic Team left their respective companies to fly the Nintendo banner; How about both?
Do you forsee Nintendo following in the consolidation trend of the American marketplace and taking steps that would lead to an eventual merger/aqusition of a company the likes of Namco?
Is an increased stake in Bandai a given?

Throw me a bone here Nemo_83. I would take the initiative to make my own predictions concerning these and similar matters, but I'm the biggest jinx. I guess you don't have that problem, so I look to you for guidance.  

[nemo_83]

I predict Konami will make a move on a certain Canadian Knight

[Sunshine_HappyPants]

Assuming they havn't already

[nemo_83]

It won't be official until 27th.  Few people know this has been leaked.  This morning would be a good morning for some insider trading on the stock market.

[Sunshine_HappyPants]

Did the smoke effigy of Bel'ial: the accursed leak it to you? You know, as it danced atop the flames of the burning sacrifice of an unweened lamb and your two finest oxen from your altar bone?

If anything I'm impressed by what you've this day. Now let's put that arcane knowledge of the occult to use on one or more of my fine examples. Soothsay for me lad, I implore you!

[vudu]

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Originally posted by: nemo_83
It won't be official until 27th.

I assume you're referring to Konami's exciting announcment.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

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I assume you're referring to Konami's exciting announcment.

I hope Konami doesn't screw the GC again with this "exciting announcement"

Though considering the track record I won't be surprised if they do.

[nemo_83]

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Originally posted by: nemo_83
If Microsoft speaks ouvertement of his Xbox 2, the buzz surrounding the fine Revolution, code name of the next parlor console signed Nintendo begins seriously to do to feel. With a name so revealing that some says long on the ambitions of the builder, Saturo Iwata declared recently to the Japanese press as it wanted with this machine to change our manner to play.

Today, this is a source 'anonymous' that we can judge of credible one (since that she had raised déja the sail on the capacities of the DS before his official announcement) that explains us this that would be the Revolution of Nintendo. Side software, the console would be compatible nostalgic style with the former games GameCube, a Great Smash Bros would already be to the half of his development and would be, just as a new Mario, foreseen for the launch line-up running 2006.

At the level of the console in itself, she should integrate two processeurs, include a high adapter debit, four harbors hand-levers, a hard disc as well as a usage of the new format in hd-dvd. If one wants well to believe the dream of these information, one continues with the pad that all good revolutionary one! Nintendo would use some does the technology Gyration in his hand-lever, a new system that permetterait to the player to feel the actions, to touch it, the matter smooths of a ground or again pricking them of a monster... It same source finishes his item while leaving us dreamer in front of 'Touching i's good goal feeling i's better'. That remains for the moment to the rumor stadium while awaiting l'E3 in next May with the presentation of the console during the lecture Nintendo.

» Babelfish English Translation Published the 16/01/2005 by Kevin Crouvizier

This was in the Cube board...is it time to change Fast Forward to the Revolution board?

on another board someone translated the page this came from and said there was something about smell generators.  that board has been down for a few days now unfortunately.  but this other thing from cube.ign may be related.


This week's question: Nintendo has indicated that it will launch Revolution against Sony's PS3, which is not expected to debut until 2006. Microsoft will allegedly release the successor to Xbox later this year. Why release the console against Sony's in 2006 and not against Microsoft's next in 2005? Do you foresee any drawbacks to releasing after Xbox 2?

Perrin Kaplan, VP of corporate affairs, Nintendo of America: Nintendo has yet to announce an official launch date for Revolution. So until that time, any rumored dates are pure speculation. Even in your question you've made an assumption we'll be after Microsoft and releasing around the same time as Sony. Aside from the 'date game,' most important is knowing if the next round of systems will bring gaming experiences brand new and innovative so consumers stay electrified.

Being first to market is no guarantee of success. The quality of what is launched is most important. We expect Revolution to be competitive because it will be innovative and a gas to play.


http://cube.ign.com/articles/581/581909p1.html?fromint=1




I was thinking, if Nintendo shiped Zelda this summer, they could launch the Revolution this fall against the NextBox.  
I like that Kaplan said it will be a gas to play.  It could just mean that the new controller makes gaming fun again, it could also be hinting at something deeper.  Olfactory factories could be used in the next generatoin of gaming, but only if shiped with the systems.  I'm wondering if such an output device could be used to view movies too, and if it would be a piece attached to headgear creating smells near the nostrils or if the smells would come out of the controllers?  

[odifiend]

Nah, nemo that dude mistranslated.  In fact he probably translated ressentir - smell, instead of touch.  But the same question could be applied to touch.  How can Nintendo claim that they can replicate the feel of a monster's spikes?  How can they add that interesting feature and how will the sensation of pain factor into this?  

[norebonomis]

viva la resistance! viva la revolution!  { LINK }

[Stimutacs Addict]

im pretty sure Konami purchased exclusive rights to develop pro soccer games  

[odifiend]

norebonomis:  Sounds like it is the same inside source from the article nemo originally found.  Still a nice find though.