Topic: GCN2 = "Revolution"

[jmoe316]

IGN just now revealed the new codename for the successor to GameCube. It will be referenced to by the name of "Revolution". Kinda cool name, It better be implying Nintendo's new strategy - to be Revolutionary!

IGN-Cube    

[Hostile Creation]

Yeah.

[Draygaia]

Nintendo:  Do you to go against us and the Revolution?  *does the prince dance*

NO NO

He should be in Playgirl!  

[DrZoidberg]

As more and more information will be released, us forum goons will need a place to discuss the upcoming Nintendo Revolution. Jump aboard the S.S. Sticky thread right here and discuss all matter of Revolution tidbits. Also, Don't forget to not direct link to any images / movies, that's a NO NO .

[Mannypon]

let me contribute a bit to this topic.  I'm guessin that the revolution is goin to come with a screen attached to it.  

Remember the lcd screen they showed for the gamecube, maybe they gettin the feel for it and how it could be used for games.  

Nintendo has been gettin their feet wet wit LAN gaming and with a screen attached it can become a good alternative for online gaming or could be used in a way for online gameing (thats a whole nother topic all together though, I think I created one on the revolution being nintendo's trojan horse into LAN gaming)  

There was talk of a portable gamecube, I aint sure if that'll be the next gameboy (doubt it though) but the revolution is supposed to be backwards compatible so with a screen attached, it could be technically a portable gamecube.  

The revolution is rumored to come with a harddrive so they are basically eliminating all possible unnecessary secondary purchases, everything is being included off the bat for LAN/online gaming.  

They are saying the DS is a look at what nintendo is thinking of accomplishing with the revolution, so that could be the use of an additional screen.

All in all, I think the chances of the revolution including an lcd screen attached is high (given that at the time they can be mass produced alot easier).  What does everyone else think of this and what do you think nintendo has in mind that'll let the revolution change how games are made?

[NWR_Lindy]

I brought up the possibility of the Revolution having a big LCD screen in another thread.  I would love that, but the problem with that is price.  Laptops are expensive partly because of their big LCD screen.

Regardless, I'm definitely thinking that Revolution will have some sort of display mechanism that's independent of a television set.

silks

[Ian Sane]

"Nintendo has been gettin their feet wet wit LAN gaming and with a screen attached it can become a good alternative for online gaming"

Alternative?  NO!  I want the real deal.  There is no alternative, only excuses.  Having both would be great but no online next gen is unacceptable.  Realistically I think Nintendo knows that too.  The N5 will be online or it'll be in the bargain bin.

All I want from the N5 is that it MATCHES the competition.  That's means no missing features and no alternatives.  That means every PS3 and Xbox2 game can realistically be recreated on the N5.  Any sort of innovation is a bonus but without matching basics it isn't going to fly.

[Draygaia]

Well you know atleast Nintendo has three machines.  Its not like all three are going to fall to their doom already.  

Atleast online is what I think is needed for the next console.  Like a lot of people I think online is their biggest problem.  I mean yeah you can say this and that will help Nintendo but even giving it GTA5 and making it exclusive and revolutionary on the GCN won't do much IMO.  Playing with something with its own mind and can think for itself beats any single player experience.  If there is online on the next Nintendo system then I feel popular RPGs, Mature Games, FPS, Sports, etc will come very easily.  

[odifiend]

IGN just released what they've heard so far about the Revolution.
It is rumored that the Revolution might include a hard drive which will no doubt increase the price point for it.  But with all the money I've spent on memory cards, in the long run it would be about the same price finacially.
Stilll a hard drive and a device that reportedly hooks up to a computer monitor?  Wasn't Nintendo giving the Xbox a hard time about being just like a computer?

[Ian Sane]

"Stilll a hard drive and a device that reportedly hooks up to a computer monitor? Wasn't Nintendo giving the Xbox a hard time about being just like a computer?"

Technically I think Nintendo was criticizing the fact that the Xbox "guts" are mostly PC components and thus aren't optimized for games.  And it's not unlike them to say one thing is bad and then later use it themselves.  Nintendo used to always bash the usage of optical discs for games.  Obviously they don't now.  I personally don't care because I know that Nintendo will use the hard drive for gaming purposes.  And the monitor is just a nice option.

Though I fear a hard drive could make piracy easier.  Nintendo's managed to dodge the "1 in 5 of your friends owns nothing but pirated games" scenario that I've seen with the Playstation and Dreamcast so far and I hope they can stay that way.

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane<brNintendo used to always bash the usage of optical discs for games.  Obviously they don't now.

They only bashed the use of optical disc cause at the time the data transfer rate was too slow, hence all the loading times on the PS1.

But they now have solved that problem for the most part, but the developers have to not be so lazy and actually optimize their games to take advantage of streaming and cache.

Ian - I know you already knew that but I thought I would state it anyway, just to keep everyone in the loop!  

[Ian Sane]

Gamecube to co-exist alongside the Revolution?

Is this going to be the fourth pillar?  I'm hoping Nintendo doesn't think they can support four systems at once.  My bet is that the Cube will be like the PS1.  The Revolution will be backwards compatible so once in a while Nintendo will release budget Cube titles that the current userbase can play as well.

Seems odd though to keep the Cube alive in any form after the Revolution launches.  It's not like the Cube was so incredibly popular that many people would continue to buy them next gen.

[Draygaia]

But like the PSOne its good enough to keep around and play.  Its somewhat portable.  Maybe they'll create a flat one with a screen like a laptop and just call it GCN.  Also there are a lot of people who are not so blind to the fact that GCN can still have good games after the next launch.  Those people aren't like "The JizzBlaster 2 is 2 megahurtz higher than JizzBlaster one making it have totally super kickin holio gamezo".  They have to support it in a different way though.  Present it differently.  You can consider the GB the longer life of the NES and the GBA the extension of the NES, GB, and SNES.

[odifiend]

lol...I don't know who Iwata thinks he's fooling.  Practically all Nintendo systems are sold alongside their predecessors at launch.  I think N64 was the rare exception.
I don't know why but I had this feeling Nintendo would have the Revolution hook up to the Gamecube, and Iwata reaffirms it - sorta if it turns out not to be the usual corporate BS.  It would be incredibly...err...unique if the Revolution turned out to be that peripheral that Nintendo said that they were releasing for the Gamecube.  So ontop of being its own console, the Revolution could double as hard drive for the GCN.

[mjbd]

No way is the Revolution an add on for the Cube.  32X for the Genesis has shown us that add ons will not extend a systems life.  However, I do hope that they go ahead and add backwards compatability, which could potentially extend gamecubes lifecycle.  I hope they come up with a system design that is real appealing, I like the Cube's design, but alot of people seemed to think it looked a bit to toyish I guess.  

[norebonomis]

i don't want to start the debate on here of weather or not the revolution should be able to play media like dvds and cds. but just wanted to pose the question: Would the revolution be able to do this and be backwards compatable seeing as the gamecube spins it's discs backwards? and would it be possisble to have a optical drive that can spin a disc both ways?  

[ib2kool4u912]

Are you sure they spin backwards? It look to me like they spin in the same direction? ( i could very easily be wrong i'm just wondering)

[Draygaia]

As for two screen use on games I just want them to put a small handheld size screen on the controller like the dreamcast just not on the memory card.  Theres no need for a big expensive seperate monitor.  GBA-GCN connectivity wasn't too bad on my eyes.  Also that would have been a better idea if it was on the DS.  Home console is expensive enough so just give two monitors to a more portable machine.

[Ian Sane]

" i don't want to start the debate on here of weather or not the revolution should be able to play media like dvds and cds. but just wanted to pose the question: Would the revolution be able to do this and be backwards compatable seeing as the gamecube spins it's discs backwards?"

The Panasonic Q plays both DVDs and Gamecube games so I'm sure it would feasible.

[Mannypon]

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Originally posted by: mjbd
I hope they come up with a system design that is real appealing, I like the Cube's design, but alot of people seemed to think it looked a bit to toyish I guess.

I feel you, the design for the gamecube is nice, specially in black or platinum lol.  As for the revolution, I'm still sticking to my original concept for it.  They should release the revolution (N5) with a somewhat retro look to it.  Make it look like a sleek NES, slimmer with a automatice drive for cds in the place where the catridges used to go, 4 controller slots the norm.  Just think about it, the retro gameboy sp in selling lovely in japan along with its games.  A new nintendo system with a throwback look to the nes yet still fresh and new and it'll be a wrap.  Make it standard platinum with the logo on the top of the system similar to the top cover of the ds.  I hope yous are seein it like I see it , cuase its looking lovely in my eyes lol.

[norebonomis]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The Panasonic Q plays both DVDs and Gamecube games so I'm sure it would feasible.

GENIOUS! THANK YOU !

[odifiend]

I wouldn't get too excited yet.  Feasible doesn't mean it will happen.  Rumors say this thing will have a hard drive (rumors are all I have to work with, I know it's sad).  If it does have a hard drive and it is backwards compatible, I don't need a dvd player driving up the price some more.
BTW, what media is the DS going to be using?  Nintendo says that the DS offers a taste of things to come for the Revolution.  They already shot down the Revolution being dual screened.  So that leaves sweet wireless connectivity or some DS-like media notorious to the DS.  To me, 30 meter connectivity on a home console doesn't make much sense, so it could possibly be a different medium on this console.  And then like the DS, there would be a place for the Revolution's predecessor for backward-compatibility.  

[NWR_Lindy]

I dunno, lately I've come around to understanding where Nintendo is coming from in terms of their reluctance to jump into online gaming.  Nintendo's core philosophy is making games that appeal to everyone.  This means that many of their games have to be accessible to a wide audience, so you don't want any "barriers to accessibility".  Examples of these barriers are:

1.  Overly complex control schemes
2.  Graphics/Presentation that may turn some people off (mature themes, blood and gore, etc.)
3.  A degree of technical proficiency required to even play the game
4.  Ongoing monetary investment (beyond the money originally required to buy the game)

Obviously, #3 and #4 are what makes online gaming unattractive to Nintendo right now.  Unless your mom is an IT engineer, there's no way she would know how to hook up your XBox and get it going online - it's not gonna happen.  Nintendo wants completely the opposite of that - they want a game that your mom can pick up, play, and love.  They want their network gaming to just "work".

Nintendo also doesn't want to have to charge players an upkeep fee to keep online game servers running.  This isn't because they care about us broke gamers (they don't, they really want our money); it's because they realize that if they figure out some way to allow ALL gamers to go online for free (not just those with enough disposable income to blow on a monthly fee), they'll make a ton of money from game sales potentially bolstered by the phenomenon of free online play.  They really want EVERYBODY to be able to play online, not just that hardcore 20% or whatever.  Until they figure that out, they aren't going to budge.

So to bring this back to Revolution, I'm sure it's going to have some sort of Wi-Fi capability.  A friend of mine had a great idea about this, actually: peer-to-peer Wi-Fi console networking.  As soon as you turn on your Revolution, its wireless adapter could connect to a "Kazaa"-type P2P wireless network and you'd instantly be able to play whoever you wanted on whatever game you happened to have.  If there were any consoles in your apartment building, you'd instantly be able to challenge them.  And, best of all, it'd be free.  There wouldn't be much upkeep...the network would just "exist".  I'm not technical enough to judge whether or not this would be doable, but take the Wi-Fi networking of the GameBoy Wireless Adapter, expand that to a massive scale, and you get the idea.

Either way, Nintendo will go full steam ahead when they have a solution that is 1) free; and 2) instantly accessible to everyone with no technical knowledge required.

silks

[Draygaia]

And fast connection with almost no lag, mouse, keyboard, and mic.........  They mic would probably lessen the use of mouse and keyboard.

I know they want a game that most people can play but I think its better if they create multiple games.  Yes its better to have a game long in development that will be great instead of multiple games that aren't as great but with Nintendo I think its better to create multiple games for all ages and I think they can create multiple games that will be great.

[nolimit19]

i hate to spit doom and gloom, but i dont see nintendo has to do a lot to be a real contender.  here they are, the 10 commandments for success of the next nintendo console.

1. they need to make their controller like the xbox s-type....maybe not exactly like it, but it has the best button layout if you ask me....and if you ask around, a lot of beef with the cube has to do with its controller. something as simple as having a normal non-artsy controller will boost nintendos credibility...no matter how dumb it sounds.

2. they need about 3 killer launch titles. an rpg, and first-person shooter, and a good action game.

3. backwards compatability

4.  extras like built in broadband connections or hard drive. maybe a dvd player/burner or mp3 player. it doesnt need all of this stuff, just some extras for people to have another incentive to buy the thing.

5. launch it on the same day as the other consoles

6. lots of advertising

7. possibly bribe magazines to give out of control good reviews of the new console

8. good online gaming system in place to promote online gaming for developers and gamers.

9. get paris hilton as their spokes person

10. online smash brothers (and keep zelda realistic)

they need 8 out of 10 to do well