Author Topic: What really happened to Link? (Read 13724 times)

evil intentions · « **on:** April 07, 2004, 01:30:13 PM »

In the beginning of the WW, it said that Link never returned when the people of Hyrule needed him. They never said what happened to him though. Did I maybe miss something in the story?

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #1 on:** April 07, 2004, 01:38:19 PM »

Majora's Mask, m'boy. He was in ANOTHER REALM.

Ocarina_Jedi · « **Reply #2 on:** April 07, 2004, 04:29:33 PM »

Yes, Link did go to Termina, but he came back. Or at least, he left Termina... So if we know he didn't return to Hyrule, then where did he go? Could this be where the Oracle games kick in?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #3 on:** April 07, 2004, 04:41:28 PM »

Don't know about that HC, because the Hero of Time portrayed in Wind Waker was the older version, which means that Young Link had to come back from Termina...But of course, we are playing around with the Time & Space theory which really sucks... -___-

My theory plays out with the original ending of OoT, which was going to show Link and Malon riding off into the sunset on Epona(assuming they were leaving Hyrule)...

Bloodworth · « **Reply #4 on:** April 07, 2004, 05:47:54 PM »

continuity = zero

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #5 on:** April 07, 2004, 06:00:46 PM »

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continuity = zero

WRONG!

Link left Hyrule when Zelda sent him back in time at the end of OoT and when he went to Terminia. Simple.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2004, 06:03:34 PM »

I've always wanted to see that Link/Malon ending.

Anyway, WW's world is strictly connected to the events that Big Link experienced, where Ganondorf was defeated 7 years after Kid Link got the Master Sword. If we look at the timeline Link jumps thru, Big Link was the one-and-only Hero of Time and physically belonged in that Ganondorf-influenced Hyrule. However, "Almost-legal" Princess Zelda in her "infinite wisdom" (Triforce, my butt) sent Link's arse back 7 years, essentially physically removing Link from their universe and eliminating any meaningful involvement he'd have in their future -- because Link is now physcially lagging behind by 7 years -- that's why the Hero "didn't show up" in the precedents to WW. Point is: IT'S ALL ZELDA'S FAULT tHE STUPID *#&%@.

Now, MM is of course connected to Kid Link after he was returned to being a kid, specifically before Ganondorf chased Kid Zelda outta the castle. It's funny in a Tom Hanks/"Big" sorta way cuz Link got to experience what it's like "to be a MAN" even though his mentality didn't mature at the same time his body did, anyway... The problem is it isn't clear whether or not Ganondorf was a threat, or if he was there at all. What signaled Link that it was OK to run off (and end up in Termina)? It sounds like Kid Link and Kid Zelda teamed up on Ganondorf and defeated him then and there, if he was around at all. Or it was like "ok Link, there's no bad guy to defeat so you can run off wherever you want, oh, take the Ocarina of Time with you." Whatever happened, with Kid Link and Kid Zelda practically able to run around for 7 years together, the events in the latter part of Ocarina of Time most likely would not have taken place, and we're now working with an alternative universe, where the OoT/WW universe moved along separately.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #7 on:** April 07, 2004, 06:24:10 PM »

Gibdo, if Young Link didn't come back from Termina than how the hell could the events when he was older happen? And why else would there be a statue of the older Link in Wind Waker?...Even though Link was "sent back to his younger self," his older self was still in the stream, was he not? Thus, his older self left Hyrule(assumably with Malon), and the Legend of the Hero of Time was created...(It even shows the older Link leaving in the beginning of Wind Waker during the Legend sequence)

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:28:34 AM »

I already explained it in the "When does it all come together?" thread so I'm just going to repost my post from there.

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Huh? Adult Link and Young Link are the same person just at different ages. At the end of OoT Zelda sends Link back in time just like every time Link put the Master Sword back in the pedestal. He then goes in search of Navi and winds up leaving Hyrule when he goes to Terminia. Obviously no one in Hyrule would know where Link went or that he turned back into a child. They would just remember the Hero of Time that defeated Ganon at the end of OoT.

By the way, the ending of OoT created two time periods. One which could be considered Adult Link's since it follows Ganondorf taking over Hyrule and Link defeating him. This would also be the time period in which WW and all the other Zeldas take place except for MM. The other is Young Link's which is where Link was sent at the end of OoT and where MM takes place.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:38:15 AM »

Those two paragraphs contradict each other...The first says that older Link disappeared completely when Link went back to his younger self while the second paragraph assumes that both still exist...

Since we are going to follow Wind Waker's timeline, since it seems to be following the true timeline of the games, then we must assume that older Link didn't disappear when he went back to his past...It wouldn't make sense for Ganondorf to continue existing in the Sacred Realm while older Link disappeared completely...So it can be said that both older Link and young Link exist in two separate timelines, but you can't say older Link disappeared completely when Link went back in time...

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #10 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:27:28 AM »

Okay, you have me almost totally confused now. Since I'm not making myself clear I've drawn a pic of how I see the timeline. Click here to see it. Hopefully this will help.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #11 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:45:16 AM »

Sorry, I just don't buy that older Link doesn't exist past OoT...As I said, how could the events that happened occur if it was as if older Link never existed? The only way for that to be true is if the Sacred Realm is some dimension that goes against all known laws of time and space; that when Link went back in time, it was as if Ganondorf was erased from the Life Stream(or in other words, as if he never existed, thus halting the events of Ganondorf taking over Hyrule)

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #12 on:** April 08, 2004, 11:16:27 AM »

I see what the problem is now. You just aren't getting this whole concept of two time lines. When Link was sent back by Zelda it caused a weird paradox in which the time line was split in two. On one time line you have the events in which Ganondorf took over Hyrule and was defeated by Link. The other time line is where Zelda sent Link at the end of OoT and where the events of MM occur. These two time lines are totally separate and the one doesn't affect the other.

It's like you have two separate trains that are running parallel to each other. Link was on one train but when Zelda sent him back he was put on the other train. The other train that Link was on still exists though. Again, just look at the pic I made.

evil intentions · « **Reply #13 on:** April 08, 2004, 02:05:36 PM »

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Originally posted by: Gibdo Master
I see what the problem is now. You just aren't getting this whole concept of two time lines. When Link was sent back by Zelda it caused a weird paradox in which the time line was split in two. On one time line you have the events in which Ganondorf took over Hyrule and was defeated by Link. The other time line is where Zelda sent Link at the end of OoT and where the events of MM occur. These two time lines are totally separate and the one doesn't affect the other.

It's like you have two separate trains that are running parallel to each other. Link was on one train but when Zelda sent him back he was put on the other train. The other train that Link was on still exists though. Again, just look at the pic I made.

Maybe Link didn't know that Hyrule was in trouble. You would think that Zelda would try to contact him somehow.

Then again, the King of Red Lions said that Link scattered his Triforce of Courage all over the Great Sea. The Great Sea was formed by the Gods when they flooded Hyrule. So Link must have been around after all of that had happened.

Ocarina_Jedi · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2004, 01:47:09 PM »

Here's what I've come up with:
Once Ganondorf was defeated, the sages seal him away in the Sacred Realm, effectively erasing his existence. I think that we can say there are two timelines now. Adult Link is removed from his timeline now. Young Link is now able to live the life he was supposed to live. Now no threat exists, so he never leaves the Kokiri Forest to save the world. However, he still has the memories of what happened (or what didn't happen?), so eventually, he leaves anyway and ends up in Termina. But then, he still doesn't show up again after that. Where did he go now?

evil intentions · « **Reply #15 on:** April 09, 2004, 02:21:55 PM »

That's what this entire thread is about: What happened to Link?

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #16 on:** April 09, 2004, 04:21:09 PM »

I just noticed that there's a great increase in retarded, MS paint avatars here.

OH NO!

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #17 on:** April 09, 2004, 04:40:13 PM »

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I just noticed that there's a great increase in retarded, MS paint avatars here.

OH NO!

Hey!

evil intentions · « **Reply #18 on:** April 09, 2004, 05:12:33 PM »

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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I just noticed that there's a great increase in retarded, MS paint avatars here.

OH NO!

Of course you're not talking about my avatar.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #19 on:** April 10, 2004, 09:09:38 AM »

You're all wrong!!!!!

When Zelda sent Link back in time he didn't just run off, he had to do everything over and over again, therefore trapping Ganondorf AND Link AND Zelda AND everyone in a never ending time loop. Since Link was successful the first time, he will NEVAR lose which means Ganondorf will never be able to stop him from defeating him and go back in time and do it over again. Zelda had to send link Link back in time because ganondorf has the power to break the seal that the sages put on him. ganondorf has the power to travel between different dimensions, which is how he always shows up in all the different zeldas. They all take place in a different dimensionm there is no timeline! *eye twitch*

The reason WW had Hyrule in it was because Ganondorf traveled there at one point in time and filled the minds of the people with lore about the OoT's Hyrule, so they built whole cities and monuments honoring him! IT SNOT THE REEL HYRULE! *brain implodes*

evil intentions · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2004, 10:09:40 AM »

No, it has to be the real Hyrule... I think the reason that Hyrule is on that piece of land in the middle of all the water is because when Ganon took over the castle, he made it floating on land surrounded by lava. When Link defeated Ganon in OoT, every thing went back to normal except that the land was still surrounded by water, instead of lava. THey had build all of those statues because Link saved them from Ganon.

In your first paragraph, Kn, I see where you are going with this. It makes a lot of sense. But your second paragraph doesnt. It HAD to be the real Hyrule.

But what about what I said before in one of my above posts?

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Then again, the King of Red Lions said that Link scattered his Triforce of Courage all over the Great Sea. The Great Sea was formed by the Gods when they flooded Hyrule. So Link must have been around after all of that had happened.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #21 on:** April 10, 2004, 10:22:46 AM »

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Then again, the King of Red Lions said that Link scattered his Triforce of Courage all over the Great Sea. The Great Sea was formed by the Gods when they flooded Hyrule. So Link must have been around after all of that had happened.

He could have scattered the pieces before Hyrule was flooded and the King of Red Lions was simply using connotation that the current Link would understand. We know that Ganondorf escaped from his seal, we know that he wreaked havoc across Hyrule, we know that the Hero of Time (the first Link) didn't show up to defeat him, and we know that the Goddesses flooded Hyrule to subdue him. So what we're trying to do here is explain why exactly Link didn't show up to defeat Ganondorf when he escaped from the seal. The way I see it, after Ganondorf had been defeated the first time and sealed away, Zelda used the Ocarina to return Link to his original time, one where Ganondorf didn't exist- this created an alternate timeline, one that branches off from the main Zelda mythos. After Link had been returned, he went to Termina and that's where Majora's Mask takes place. On the main timeline, however, the original Link is no longer there because he was returned to the alternate timeline, which explains why he wasn't there to fight Ganondorf when he broke out of his seal.

Phew, it's tiring trying to make sense out of a plot with more holes than swiss cheese.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #22 on:** April 10, 2004, 10:42:27 AM »

Heh, the post I made was just random thoughts. The first post is me trying to prove everyone wrong, the second post was me trying to prove mine.

As I typed the first paragraph I thought of WW, and tried to make sense of it....so then came the second. =P If anyone has any explanation for my theory that includes WW, then I'd be happy to delete the second paragraph.

Draygaia · « **Reply #23 on:** April 10, 2004, 10:48:54 AM »

Thats not hard. Link went to Termina got seperated from the triforce of courage because of the dimension traveling, saved Termina, went back to Hyrule, continued on to the Kokiri forest and when danger called destiny couldn't call him because the triforce of courage was his marker. Link had descendants and eventually by chance the King of Hyrul found him on an island.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #24 on:** April 10, 2004, 10:51:53 AM »

Except my theory says that OoT and WW aren't in the same dimension, and only Ganondorf can travel the dimensions. Oh yeah, it would also mean that OoT is the LAST game, instead of the first, since Ganondorf would never be able to escape the time loop.

Actually, I should stop calling it a theory, since it's wrong. =P

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Author Topic: What really happened to Link? (Read 13724 times)