Topic: News article assessing Nintendo future, reveals possible hidden agenda of gaming media

[Syl]

nonjagged, nice speculation, but don't ever try to say speculation as fact, some of the things you cited as going to happen (FFVII for PSP at launch?) haven't even been hinted at by anyone, ever.

anyway, this isn't gaming-age, so i don't know why you spent so much of your post bashing him, along with saying things such as xcox and whatever other insulting names just detracted from that gigantic post of yours and made you seem biased.

you also seem to be vastly over-rating how not needed 2 screens are.. after playing FFCC for 40 hours over the weekend, i can definately see the advantage for certain multiplayer games, or things where the menu is navigated with a seperate screen as to not interupt the gameplay, however, for the vast majority of games, (bout 95%) i see no point in Duel Screens,
but, besides that.. you do have some good points, considering im pretty sure that it has already been confirmed that one of the screens of the dS is a touch screen, im honestly expecting the whole menu/button layout to be on the lower screen, and all the gameplay on the upper screen for the majority of games.. for things like RPG's and RTS, this would be perfect.... and it would also solve the issue of the gameboy not having enough buttons forever.
though it would be difficult to adjust too.

I'm not ready to do so much speculation on the DS yet, considering that not a single thing about games has been mentioned for it, so thats still something im holding out till E3 for.  

I'm also trying to figure out why innovation is a keypoint in this thread, its been basicly proved that it has very little to do with sales, the best selling game of the year is almost always a Madden game, and innovation has nothing to do with that...along with the huge amount of remakes that are coming out around this time.

[Draygaia]

Nintendo might as well just follow what Sony or Microsoft is doing while at the same time sticking to what they do best.  Most video gamers are people that like MTV and would give a 10 to a game that has an annoying rapper and thats sad.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Then we'll put them all in a big can and throw them in the ocean.

[_>nonjagged<_]

I apologise for the "possible" spoilers in my outrageous speculation, but as far as I am aware, Square has quoted it will not remake FFVII for the PSX2 or PSX3 because the PSX version is compatible with all PSX platforms. PS2 is backwards compatible etc
However being that FFVII has been the most requested remake title on Sony gamers wish lists of all time and being that the PSP uses a different format than PSX consoles, one would have to be pretty slow not to fill the gaps that the PSP will launch with either FFVII remake game or FFVII: Advent Children the Movie on PSP format.
Youd have to be ludicrous not to see that coming.

Note the PSP will be used by Sony for gamers to DL:
FF:wallpaper
FF audio soundtracks
and FF: Advent Children trailers etc
through their monthly subscription charge.
The PSP will be what the Ngage tried to be.

The NDS will stay clear from being attached to Telecommunication monthly subscriptions with Music & Movies but rather focus on different forms of realtime gaming. However the media see this as a crime.

Also Ive never denied Im a fanboy or never denied Im biased in favor of platforms which I share the same philosophies with or understand the decisions they make.

Also Im not looking for any credibility whatsoever in anything I write, so if any of my text may contradict me for double standards its because Im playing the sledging-mind-games of the media and/or mainstream generalising masses, only that Im rooting for the party that is being persecuted/segregated and as far as Im currently aware, gamers do still have the rights to speech.

Also Good points, Thx1138. Well said.

[Deguello]

It seems to me what is happening to Nintendo these days is the same thing that happened to a Croatian Inventor named Nikola Tesla.

Brief history lesson.  Nikola Tesla was the brillaint electrical genius that discovered the rotating magnetic field and Alternating current, among other things like the fluorescent bulb and microwave ovens.  I think the first was something about Turbines, but AC is a fantastic breakthrough that allows your house to be powered on individual parallel circuits instead of one big series circuit.  I.E. Circuit breakers and stuff.  Of Course, this made Direct Current proponent Thomas Edison very furious.  So he launched a propaganda war against Nikola Tesla and AC.  He ridiculed the man, called his inventions deadly, even electrocuting small animals with AC to show that "fact." He was humiliated, and his character was assassinated.  Usually, when you see a villainous mad scientist in a movie (Edison invented those, go figure) he was based in Nikola Tesla.  Thing is, Edison passed off AC as the work of his underlings and actively tried to delete Tesla from history and steal his ideas.  Funny little anecdote: The U.S. wanted Edison to find a way to detect subs during World War I.  Tesla suggested "energy waves", and Edison said that idea was ludicrous, so the world would have to wait some 20 odd years to get radar, based on the same principles.

Long Story short.  Tesla was ridiculed, humiliated, scorned, and had his ideas stolen (check out his invention of the radio).  I see the same thing happening to Nintendo.

Everybody and their brother's website is flinging mud in Nintendo's direction based on this whole online vs. connectivity thing.  It is not considered innovation and Nintendo is a company of fools because they do not actively waste money seeking the trend du jour, vis a vis, online plans (God I hate those buzz words.)  But lo and behold, on Sony's PSP feature list, what do I see but connectivity to the PS3.  I wonder if it will be cool now that Sony wants to do it.  Eyetoy?  Gameboy Camera, years before.  HardDrive?  Actually, heh Sega beat MS to that.  The Saturn had battery backed memory for save games, and you could D/L new content via the Dreamcasts modem.  Conveniently forgotten.  Hopefully, Nintendo's connectivity won't suffer a similar fate.  Eventually, this online stuff will be seen for what it is.  Really expensive, fancy multiplayer/downloading.  Big deal.

Of Course, that's just my 2 cents.

[Syl]

However being that FFVII has been the most requested remake title on Sony gamers wish lists of all time and being that the PSP uses a different format than PSX consoles, one would have to be pretty slow not to fill the gaps that the PSP will launch with either FFVII remake game or FFVII: Advent Children the Movie on PSP format.

Also Im not looking for any credibility whatsoever in anything I write, so if any of my text may contradict me for double standards its because Im playing the sledging-mind-games of the media and/or mainstream generalising masses, only that Im rooting for the party that is being persecuted/segregated and as far as Im currently aware, gamers do still have the rights to speech.

heh, show me a basis on the FFVII remake, and i'lll believe you, but something as big as that is NOT going to remain quiet till so close to PSP launch, i know some people who are determined that metroid prime 2 is coming out this summer, which is obviously not possible at all, unless some massive media is put up within a month or so.
Square launching a PSP remake of FFVII at launch would go *completely* against squares marketing strategy, they hype games YEARS before theyre released, they would be hyping an FFVII remake now along with some very vigorous PSP hyping.  Square is more worried about FFXII than an FFVII remake at the moment, mainly because they *STATED* that there is no FFVII remake being done at the moment, and that they will not do one *as long as a system that can play FFVII is on the market* and look, PS2 is still on the market, and the PSP is not replacing PS2.
your just pulling wishes out of nowhere and yelling at others for not wishing they were true, i hate nothing more than when people try to tell off fantasy as truth, its where rumors start, and rumors can very often be false... thats what the main point of this entire thread is about.

that said.
www.penny-arcade.com had a great post on the whole innovation fanboy thing, read the frontpage if you don't read the site already.

[_>nonjagged<_]

What drugs are you smoking? Can you point out where im yelling and/or where Im in upper case?

OK because E3 2004 has not come yet, your right and Im wrong. Square will not have FFVII remake launching with PSP and/or FF: Advent Children movie. You can discredit me at E3 2004. Keep your panties on.

I loved the brief history post. That was an excellent read. We could bring up how theres a particular race of people that through continual misrepresentation over centuries rewrite the hiostory books and through the use of Motion Pictures distort history in their favor. But this is not the appropriate forum.

[_>nonjagged<_]

On the lighter side of thing.

Breaking News:

..."USA analysts dissapointingly say its certainly a tough time for the PC game industry now that its been segregated/divided and that the scattered-market is being dumbed-down for M$ console platforms. PC developers have got a tough time ahead in the coming years and it is speculated by well known USA analysts that many PC developers will unoffically be going bankrupt if they refuse to make the decision to migrate to the PS3 but continue to opt for the smaller M$ platform marketshare which also has whimsically banished the PC market to play second fiddle?
One prominant USA analyst by the name of Spruce Overhypeberg said that he forsees Sony's marketshare to only grow larger and M$'s marketshare to shrink considerably. Spruce Overhypeberg speculates that M$'s 64bit O/S with touted XML features that will be launched 2004 for PC and eventually the Next Xbox platform will be no console match for Sony's backwards compatability whilst having EyeToy hardware and SonicFoundry Suite
DV software built-in to PS3 from the word go. Lets not even mention PSP connectivity.

Spruce Overhypeberg claims M$ stand to lose greater credibility even more during the next-gen as they wont be able to use the excuse Sony got a head start when their next-gen consoles launch head-to-head and the PS3 sells even better than the PS2 while the next Xbox units appear to move only through promotional giveaways.

Another prominant USA analysts who goes by the name of Asscheekspread Forgreenback also speculates the next Xbox will be less console controller driven and more keyboard orientated so as to desperately try and win those PC uses that were suppose to migrate to Xbox but never did, because it sure as hell dont look like Sony's increasing marketshare is ever migrating to Xbox platforms.

Across the globe Japanese analysts are suggesting that if M$ fail to make any grounds on Sony in the next-gen that M$ will eventually quietly bow-down by shifting their focus of trying to challenge Sony where M$ may move into making their entertainment units moreso into educational units by making deals to flood hardware units into schools & universities because Sony owns the loungeroom.

Prominant Osaka based analysts even go as far as saying if M$ dont launch a Windohz PDA pretending to be a gaming handheld (ala Xcox PC-in-a-box pretending to be console) to challenge the PSP launch, then its inevitable M$ will always be living in the shadow of $ony forever"...

You have just read the fake news of the day brought to you by ____ [aka nonjagged].

PS: whoever codenamed Xbox Next is pretty much 2 years and then some, too late. I was in the ign N64 chatroom (there was no igncube chatroom back then) where we were all gathering before the official announcement of the Nintendo Gamecube name and I was speculating it should be called Nintendo Next, which kinda received a luke-warm reception but for one of the members who thought it was a cool name.
Whats up with codenaming the Next Xbox so unimaginatively?  

[KDR_11k]

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Originally posted by: _>nonjagged<_
Whats up with codenaming the Next Xbox so unimaginatively?

They registered some domain on that name or something. The real codename is Xenon, I believe (probably named after the evil AIs bent on the destruction of mankind in games like X or Galax).

[Mannypon]

what rises must come down.  Although the industry is at its best right now, eventually it will crash as it did before.  There are 3 console makers now and eventually one will drop out.  There are too many games comeing out and too many companys not making money thats why you seeing companies in the red making no profit and bein bought up by bigger companies coughEAcough.  Square and Enix merged becuase they saw where this industry was heading.  Games are becoming more and more expensive to make with each new generation.  Once the fad is over with the pses and xboxes and the mainstream jumps on the next bandwagon that comes along, guess who will still be around.  Like yous said, nintendo fans are loyal.  Through it all we'll be there.  So when all the others are movin on to the next fad, we'll still be supporting nintendo thus keeping them alive during the next crash.

[Oldskool]

When is someone gonna realise that Nintendos making a lotta cash, which means they will be around for a while. Instead, we hear absolute bull which can always be summerized into this: "OMG! Nintendo will suddenly almost die and must go 3rd party and lose even more money before getting bought out by teh "maturz" Sony or MS!"

[KDR_11k]

Oldskool: I think what he said was more like "All three will crash down but we'll make sure Nintendo won't die."

The question about the game sindustry is whether it's already flying in the sky or still burrowing itself out of the ground. In other words, what is the stable position of the game s industry has yet to be determined.