Author Topic: Xbox live??? (Read 27319 times)

Oldskool · « **Reply #50 on:** February 21, 2004, 11:06:30 PM »

My point is online gaming on the PC is more fun without paying a subscription than console subscription services will probably ever be. So consoles should stick to their own game. Maybe one day consoles should be online, but it is not now.

aLI!En · « **Reply #51 on:** February 22, 2004, 03:41:59 AM »

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WHY THE HECK WOULD YOU WANT TO GET XBOX LIVE WHEN YOU COULD BE PLAYING SUPERIOR ONLINE GAMES FOR FREE ON THE PC!!!

ok, I’ll give you the reasons.

1. no cheaters
2. unique gamertags in all games
3. lo lag
4. built in voice communication with voice masking
5. scoreboards
6. all games on one place
7. no patch (bug free games)
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and much more. Not to mention a lot of great games like Gotham2. Believe me, LIVE is worth every $! Try once, I’m sure you’ll find LIVE as great online service.

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Battlefield 1942 owns most online shooters with tons of vehicles, and up to 64 players... and its FREE

I’m not much into fps games.

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Plus dozens of the greatest RTS games, RPGs, action games, shooters, and more can all be played online on the pc for not a cent more than the games cost and the internet fees.

I know. I play some PC games online, like worms on wormnet. But, believe me, LIVE > PC online.

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And then if you have money to throw on subscriptions there are alot of MMO games.

Yes, but they are expensive.

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The bottom line is: The PC is the undispted king of online games.

No it isn’t. I’ll put LIVE at first place.

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So instead of MS and Sony putting their bucks into a "war" they cannot win, why don't they try and make CONSOLE gaming better, like Nintendo?

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Just how are PC titles limited? Besides sports and fighting games, many which have only just started to allow people to play online(in fact if my memory serves correctly Virtua Fighter 2 was online for the PC).

Only blind man can’t se shortage of some genre for PC.

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Also many of those games you mention like SSX3 allow ou to compete aganist only one person which in my mind negates the reason for online play.

What’s wrong with 1 vs. 1?

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Many a time I simply left a server because one kid ruined the experience for everyone.

And that’s cant happened to any other network/service? I have seen that so many times in (PC) CS games.

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Also without the PC and PC online gaming, Microsoft would have never made a console, because they survive on western games which thrive on the functionality of online gaming.

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My point is online gaming on the PC is more fun without paying a subscription than console subscription services will probably ever be. So consoles should stick to their own game. Maybe one day consoles should be online, but it is not now.

No. Now is the great time for online gaming. Just spend few hours on live, and you’ll find out what I’m talking about.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #52 on:** February 22, 2004, 05:41:33 AM »

If you want certain niche genres like fighters and shoot'em'ups for the PC look into japanese import shops. They've got some of the best games in these genres.
Also, the best fighter ever was on PC: One Must Fall 2097! It's freeware nowadays but still offers features no other game has (like, a tournament where you buy upgrades). The sequel (OMF: Battlegrounds) isn't as good, but hell, it's a 16 player fighting game with online capablities. And recent, too.

Oldskool · « **Reply #53 on:** February 22, 2004, 09:39:45 AM »

Xbox live may have alot of sports and FPS's, but I'm not a big sports game fan... and online FPS's are better on PC, so whats the point of me getting Live, and spending all that extra cash? Oh yay, exta downloadable content for games. Thats been done with PC gaming for many years.

Oldskool · « **Reply #54 on:** February 22, 2004, 09:50:12 AM »

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PC's titles are so freaking limited lately it's nearly a joke.

Er, not exactly... lets see... Warcraft 3, DX2, Knights of the old republic (PC version is best), Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Bf1942, Homeworld2, Dungeon Siege, the upcoming Armed & Dangerous, Medievil: Total War, and about 10 other AAA titles ahve come out in the past year and a half or are coming in the next few months. Now if I could just dig out some PC Gamer and PC zone magazines and remember some other good PC games... and the several thousand crappy ones.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 22, 2004, 12:54:55 PM »

What is this crap about low lag? Know what my ping in 3/4 of the games I play is around? It is around 15ms.

Lag is absolutely nothing in pc games.

Now lets get down to other things. How many games on xbox have mods freely available, as well as other home made levels? How many games have patches to fix glitches that may be in the multiplayer? Don't lay the line that there are no glitches, there are plenty, it's the nature of creating games.

Another thing, have you never been in a game where the guy keeps team killing everyone? That's the beauty of rcon stuff, you can control to a great extent the play of a lot of gamers. Of course in a game like diablo 2, there is some lag, especially when there are tons of things being casted, but for christ sake, the game has been out so long people have already documented how fast you can cast before it does no damage, at this point it is usually a nonfactor.

Low ping, is again, relative. It's relative to where the server is located. Your not going to have a 30 ping in a server on the other side of the US. It will be more like 80ms, or higher. If low ping means no dial up, what is so different from a decent online server? Most have autokicks for people over pings of 350, and if they are lagging so bad, it's easy enough to kick.

What is it with gotham though? Name your five favorite games on Live!, would be nice to see what games you like. Also, please name what other games you play on PC.

Are PC games limited in some genres, probablly so, but it has more to do with the control set up of a PC. A PC is designed (atleast keyboard anyway) can handle more complex games, and has more freedom for the user, which explains why you see more RTS, and a lot of real time RPGs on PC.

Uglydot · « **Reply #56 on:** February 22, 2004, 04:17:17 PM »

Also, PC gives us the choice ot use Mouse and Keys or a controller. Figure you buy the game, 10 dollars for the controller if it is a driving game or such that you prefer a controller. And you are ahead money-wise. And lag is nothing on PC. I filter out anything above 50 to me. Also, limiting yourself to only XBL games limits you in LAN play too. For me, at least, I can get upwords of 20 for a LAN via PC. For Xbox? I think 2 or so. Sure, you can buy 2 copies of every game, one XBL and one PC so you have all the possiblities. And I am sure I could rent out a hall somewhere for a few hours and get 20 TVs(split screen is a waste of lan play), and get all the systems in there. Plug it all in and pray. But is that going to happen? Nope. I will stick to not limiting myself and play Diablo 2, EQ, AO, CS, NS, ET, UT, UT2k3, HLDM, Team Fortress, Day of Defeat, Raven Shield, Quake 3, JK2, Savage Eden, NFS:HPS2, NFSU, and probably more. But wait...the cost for that is only about 24 a month. And I never keep the AO or EQ accounts at the same time, or for more than a few months at a time.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 22, 2004, 04:39:14 PM »

So what are your names on D2? Mine would be *censored for the younger crowd* c0ksm0k3er

Ymeegod · « **Reply #58 on:** February 23, 2004, 04:03:39 AM »

"Warcraft 3, DX2, Knights of the old republic (PC version is best), Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Bf1942, Homeworld2, Dungeon Siege, the upcoming Armed & Dangerous, Medievil: Total War, and about 10 other AAA titles ahve come out in the past year and a half or are coming in the next few months"

LOL, how many genres is that bud? Three. FPS, strategy, and RPGs. And if PC's are so great then Why would you need a GC?

Sure once in a blue moon you're get an adventure type of game or a few action ports and EA's sport series (some of them) but for the most part the BULK of PC games lies within those three genres.

Ymeegod · « **Reply #59 on:** February 23, 2004, 04:11:01 AM »

"So instead of MS and Sony putting their bucks into a "war" they cannot win, why don't they try and make CONSOLE gaming better, like Nintendo? I'll never fork out for one of these subscription services, and I'll never forgive if a AAA game is canned because more resourses are being put into the online games. "

So you rather have a sh!tty ass GBA-GC connection feature

. That's what I call a waste of money. I'd rather have FFCC online and pay $50 a year and I'm not the only one. Or what about MKDD? Rather have that online too as alot of people too, and I'm not talking about warp-project neither.

Ymeegod · « **Reply #60 on:** February 23, 2004, 04:20:27 AM »

"One Must Fall 2097"

LMOA. Recall playing that on my 486 DX 66 packard bell. It wasn't that great IMO.

Haven't played the sequel though but it didn't sound like any competition for fighter-of-the-year neither.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #61 on:** February 23, 2004, 05:20:01 AM »

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LOL, how many genres is that bud? Three. FPS, strategy, and RPGs. And if PC's are so great then Why would you need a GC?

What do I need the GC for? Hm, how about singleplayer games?
Whenever I look through my library of GC titles I notice I have almost no multiplayer games. That's likely because I rarely have friends over (one, once per week, one hour). I just don't consider multiplayer a factor on the console (as opposed to the PC, where bot support is common).

Now please tell me how many genres the XBox has online. It's a fact that consoles have more genres than the PC, but how many of those are compatible with multiplayer/online play?

Ymeegod · « **Reply #62 on:** February 23, 2004, 07:41:24 AM »

"no multiplayer games. That's likely because I rarely have friends over (one, once per week, one hour"

DUh! You just stated yourself. You're skipping over tons of MP games because Nintendo has ZERO ONLINE support. As for genres there's plenty, party type of games (there's already Wacked but I'd rather have MP4 online myself), there's fighters as I already stated (MvC2 and soon to be released DOA-Online, again Nintendo's own SSBM would have been killer). Even extreme sport titles are rather limited on the PC's lately, EA didn't bother porting either THUG or SSX3 yet (both online with PS2)--Xbox has Amped and the GC has 1080 2 with no online support.

As for RPG's, Everquest Adventures rings to mind (PS2) & Championship of something as well. Xbox has True Fantasy Online coming sometime or other.

The Omen · « **Reply #63 on:** February 23, 2004, 10:15:54 AM »

I've never had the urge to play any game online whatsoever. PC or otherwise. That would probably change if SSBM were online. Maybe Madden. I guess i'd welcome the addition so long as its not online only. I can't see people sticking up for Nintendo in this regard. Just make online an option . Not for people like me, but for people who dont own a GC and wont because they want online gaming an option. If Nintendo just had Animal Crossing , SSBM , Pikmin, and MK

D online, is there anybody here who wouldn't think its great? And if they did have online options, one wonders how many 3rd party games would've been online by now, because that is one hell of a first party online lineup. Would those games get 1 million GC users online? I think it might, and i think it could be profitable by the time N5 came out. Again, busting on Live is easy, because basically MS hyped it beyond comprehension. And thats their own fault, but its a good idea because they now have a head start when the next gen starts.

Oldskool · « **Reply #64 on:** February 23, 2004, 12:19:43 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
"Warcraft 3, DX2, Knights of the old republic (PC version is best), Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Bf1942, Homeworld2, Dungeon Siege, the upcoming Armed & Dangerous, Medievil: Total War, and about 10 other AAA titles ahve come out in the past year and a half or are coming in the next few months"

LOL, how many genres is that bud? Three. FPS, strategy, and RPGs. And if PC's are so great then Why would you need a GC?

Sure once in a blue moon you're get an adventure type of game or a few action ports and EA's sport series (some of them) but for the most part the BULK of PC games lies within those three genres.

I have a GCN to get my: Platformer, Action/Adventure-ish, and Nintendo game fix. I'd say with a GCN and a PC, I can get the best of every genre.

(Except for sports games, which I'm not really into.)

CaseyRyback · « **Reply #65 on:** February 23, 2004, 05:47:15 PM »

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LOL, how many genres is that bud? Three. FPS, strategy, and RPGs. And if PC's are so great then Why would you need a GC?

What do I need the GC for? Hm, how about singleplayer games?
Whenever I look through my library of GC titles I notice I have almost no multiplayer games. That's likely because I rarely have friends over (one, once per week, one hour). I just don't consider multiplayer a factor on the console (as opposed to the PC, where bot support is common).

Now please tell me how many genres the XBox has online. It's a fact that consoles have more genres than the PC, but how many of those are compatible with multiplayer/online play?

Its a fact that the PC has far more genres than the console.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #66 on:** February 23, 2004, 08:42:39 PM »

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DUh! You just stated yourself. You're skipping over tons of MP games because Nintendo has ZERO ONLINE support. As for genres there's plenty, party type of games (there's already Wacked but I'd rather have MP4 online myself), there's fighters as I already stated (MvC2 and soon to be released DOA-Online, again Nintendo's own SSBM would have been killer). Even extreme sport titles are rather limited on the PC's lately, EA didn't bother porting either THUG or SSX3 yet (both online with PS2)--Xbox has Amped and the GC has 1080 2 with no online support.

As for RPG's, Everquest Adventures rings to mind (PS2) & Championship of something as well. Xbox has True Fantasy Online coming sometime or other.

I expected you to say that. If you need to know, I hate the online environment itself. I just don't like realtime interaction with people I don't know. I don't chat, I don't play online.
Also I wouldn't play any of those mentioned online, mostly because I doubt I could put up a good fight in any of them. I extrapolate that from my performance in SC2 and THPS2/3.

BTW, 1080 was the worst example you could find, since that game can be tunnelled. I know, N didn't make it go online, but LAN-piping seems to work, so...

Casey: Not as of late. Back in the PS1 days games were released on consoles and PC, but that seems to have ended. Hell, Final Fantasy VII and VIII were on PC! Not that you could play Mario or Final Fantasy multiplayer, but...
Hm, why don't they build the "Mario and Luigi Multiplayer" into newer Mario games anymore? Heck, why do they try to tell a story in Mario games???

Uglydot · « **Reply #67 on:** February 24, 2004, 12:55:09 AM »

KDR, did you play SMS? There was a story in it...hell, there was a story in most of them...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #68 on:** February 24, 2004, 06:11:14 AM »

That was what I was talking about. I was complaining about the inclusion of story cutscenes and orientation of the gameplay on the storyline (Evil Mario fights...). If they had just taken a random bunch of good levels (i.e. "secret" levels with checkpoints), strung them together and added in a fight against Bowser every now and then they'd have made a better game than SMS. They should bring back the mushroom, flower and star, they've been conspicuously absent in SMS, even though they are what defines Mario... Also, Mario has a brother, why is there no cooperative play?

Uglydot · « **Reply #69 on:** February 24, 2004, 09:19:52 AM »

Ahh, I just quickly read through your post. I have always wondered at the lack of a nice co-op Mario and Luigi game on the GCN. It would be such great fun. It could be a little like those little teamwork levels in Mario Party, but much more developed, obviously.

AMac2002 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 24, 2004, 02:30:30 PM »

The thing with Xbox Live, is that it's like an online neighbourhood (sorry for the U in neighbourhood, I'm canadian

). I can get invited to play RS:3, with a guy I met and put on my friends list, while I'm playing some other game, and just pop in RS:3 and play. You can't do that with PC Games. It has a lot more features than that, too. I'd be into PC gaming online WAAAY more than my Xbox, but my PC can't handle the games I want just yet (well it could, but they'd be super laggy, so no). I'm gonna buy I a new one once Half Life 2 comes out.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #71 on:** February 24, 2004, 03:25:23 PM »

Yes, you can.

AMac2002 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 24, 2004, 04:57:00 PM »

What's in that link, a download? It's not loading up, sorry...

anyways, the thing is, ALL xbox live players have those features, but i highly doubt every online gamer has xfire, or w/e is there.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 25, 2004, 09:59:02 AM »

It's a buddy list for PC games. Do I want a list of eveyr single person playing on an PC game? No, if I did I would get gamespy, which is basically a much larger version of xfire. Gamespy offers nearly everything xbox live does, if thats your thing, go ahead for it.

I personally don't use it, instead the ingame server lists, or xfire.

AMac2002 · « **Reply #74 on:** February 25, 2004, 11:54:01 AM »

Yeah, you could get features like that, I'm just saying it's a guarantee that all the Xbox Live people will have those features, no matter what. It's nice to know that everyone will have a headset (unless it's not plugged in/working etc.) and all the features you have too.

And don't think I'm some online gaming god or something, I actually rarely play online. Counterstrike, for PC actually, was my last super-addicting game, but I sometimes rent a few Xbox Live featured games now and again. Overall, it's a good service that fits my needs fairly well. Not that online PC gaming doesn't, I just don't feel it's as efficient.

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