Topic: Xbox live???

[aLI!En]

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Originally posted by: manunited4eva22
I am the biggest online gamer on this forum.

no you are not. you only play PC online games, sadly... Gotham2 rulez.

[mouse_clicker]

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no you are not. you only play PC online games, sadly... Gotham2 rulez.

This is pathetic- HE'S insulting US?  

[Uglydot]

Speak english, not 1337, the official language of 13 year old CS players.  And anyhow, most here hated online before XBLive was an issue.  I have been around a while and these boards have had plenty who hated it since day 1, when no one had an online plan.  I myself enjoyed online DC games, but find console online gaming limited.  I really only played PSO with my cousin and had a short stint on AFO and QIII.   I also used the tunnel for Halo and found it rather boring.  I am sure the addition of the headset changed that a bit, but I still don't want to play console games online.  

Whether or not we know the pricing system is a complete non-issue.  I don't know how much it costs to finance a mortgage, yet I have no problem with any companies.  I don't know who much it costs to buy most cars, and again, I don't care about company.  XBL is not in our realm of knowledge for the most part because we simply do not care.  Take your fan boy crap to another forum, it isn't needed here.  

[CaseyRyback]

I am probably more qualified than most to voice an opinion since I had the service. I got it when the service first came out and find it very disappionting. I got Unreal Championship, which had massive frame rate problems and lag. I have also played Mechassault, which I found to be very bland and unintresting.

If you do not play online games on the PC than Xbox Live is the way to go since many of the great PC games find their way onto Xbox. The only problem is that many have stripped down online components. Also there is no ability to create user- created maps which limits replay value.

I only play online on the PC as of right now because I could not justify the purchase of another Xbox Live year. I will get the service again when SNK vs. Capcom SVC chaos comes out and by that time hopefully halo 2 will be out.

Until then Battlefield: Vietnam and Unreal 2004 will keep me more than busy with my online gaming.

Also anyone who disses online gaming probably has not found the right online game. Try a game like Rainbow six 3 or America's Army(which is free) and tell me these games are not adicting . I spent over 9 months completely hooked on Rainbow Six 3 (yes it is that good)

[mouse_clicker]

You can't expect everyone to like Rainbow Six, Casey, it's just not that type of game. It's not an FPS you can just jump into and start shooting, it's a game where you have to be very precise in what you do. It's way too touchy feely for me- I don't like micromanaging every detail of a mission.  

[CaseyRyback]

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
You can't expect everyone to like Rainbow Six, Casey, it's just not that type of game. It's not an FPS you can just jump into and start shooting, it's a game where you have to be very precise in what you do. It's way too touchy feely for me- I don't like micromanaging every detail of a mission.

thats why the MP is so great. The SP is way too complicated and I have only played like 10 minutes of it. The MP has no real complications besides which gun you choose and what type of side weapon you want. It takes less than 30 seconds to set your character and you  can change anything in between rounds, which makes it very MP friendly.

Basically though, I was trying to say there is an online game out there for everyone, since there is such diversity in the market. I was just showing the titles that got me into playing online on a regular basis

[KDR_11k]

Sounds a LOT like Counterstrike...

[Uglydot]

Rainbow Six is much more realistic, the levels are different and the missions are different.  Also, you don't have to buy the weapons, everyone gets what they want.  I find that more teamwork is needed in R6.  I prefer R6 at LANs myself.

[CaseyRyback]

Also Counter-Strike derives everything it is from the Rainbow six series

[vudu]

One Man's Heaven

i know i've been linking to penny arcade way too much lately, but gabe and typo seem to say everything i want to say, only they draw funny pictures next to the words.  this pretty much sums up my thoughts towards online gaming and pretty much multiplayer gaming in general.  while i enjoy an evening of drinking smash brothers as much as the next guy, for my everyday gaming i would far rather absorb myself into a fictional universe rather than play the same map on counterstrike for the entire evening.

[manunited4eva22]

Did I just get insulted by someone who plays gotham2 online?  Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot I was playing doom online before you had the internet.

Anyway, I don't think xbox live is so bad, I just don't think it's all that great.  I don't think you should force people to pay for games online, I think that there are people out there who like to have more control of how much they pay in their hands, not in the hands of a company who dictates everything.  I mean I pay around 15 bucks a month for the games I play online .

I understand why a game like everquest has a monthly fee, it costs a whole lot of money to keep it online.  But you couldn't force me to pay for a game like gotham 2 when the game is hosted off of my hardware to find someone to play the game.  I mean let's be honest here, this is a standard service for almost all online PC games.  A server list is introduced, and there are countless services for you and your friends to use to see each other.

Talking on xbox games?  Where do you think voice over IP started?  VoIP has been on pc for several years now, it's nothing new to me, and it's nothing all that special.

Either way, I was on xbox live a year ago, had some fun with it, decided not to resubscribe?  Does that mean I am not a hardcore online gamer?  Hardly.  That statement is on the lines of intelligence as saying your not a hardcore gamer unless you own every console in existence and buy every add on that came to it.  Somethings aren't worth it to a lot of people, and that doesn't mean a lot in the long run.

Tell ya what though, you keep playing gotham2 online,

I will keep playing C&C, CoD, MOH:AA, UT2004, Halo, Mario Kart, Diablo 2, Starcraft, Warcraft, a nice long list of games.  I could keep going a long time, but why bother?  You have already made up your mind and I doubt intelligent arguements will unmake it.

[CaseyRyback]

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Originally posted by: manunited4eva22
Did I just get insulted by someone who plays gotham2 online?  Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot I was playing doom online before you had the internet.

Anyway, I don't think xbox live is so bad, I just don't think it's all that great.  I don't think you should force people to pay for games online, I think that there are people out there who like to have more control of how much they pay in their hands, not in the hands of a company who dictates everything.  I mean I pay around 15 bucks a month for the games I play online .

I understand why a game like everquest has a monthly fee, it costs a whole lot of money to keep it online.  But you couldn't force me to pay for a game like gotham 2 when the game is hosted off of my hardware to find someone to play the game.  I mean let's be honest here, this is a standard service for almost all online PC games.  A server list is introduced, and there are countless services for you and your friends to use to see each other.

Talking on xbox games?  Where do you think voice over IP started?  VoIP has been on pc for several years now, it's nothing new to me, and it's nothing all that special.

Either way, I was on xbox live a year ago, had some fun with it, decided not to resubscribe?  Does that mean I am not a hardcore online gamer?  Hardly.  That statement is on the lines of intelligence as saying your not a hardcore gamer unless you own every console in existence and buy every add on that came to it.  Somethings aren't worth it to a lot of people, and that doesn't mean a lot in the long run.

Tell ya what though, you keep playing gotham2 online,

I will keep playing C&C, CoD, MOH:AA, UT2004, Halo, Mario Kart, Diablo 2, Starcraft, Warcraft, a nice long list of games.  I could keep going a long time, but why bother?  You have already made up your mind and I doubt intelligent arguements will unmake it.

Wow you have my respect. I totally agree


also those guys over at Penny Arcade must mot be playing the demo because in my 5-10 hours of play I have not heard one gripe about anything he said. The only problem is that there is a bit of lag.

[aLI!En]

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I didn't like it long before I even knew the Gamecube existed.

You simply didn’t find good game. Online is addicted for everybody with good games.

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And anyhow, most here hated online before XBLive was an issue.

Typical Nintendo fan response. Same as above.

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I myself enjoyed online DC games, but find console online gaming limited.

You are comparing DC online with Xbox LIVE??

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Take your fan boy crap to another forum, it isn't needed here.

Believe me, I’m trying to avoid this forum as hard as I can. There are so many kids here.

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I got Unreal Championship, which had massive frame rate problems.

Just turn off FSAA, you’ll have 60+ fps.

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Also there is no ability to create user- created maps which limits replay value.

There is a lots of downloadable stuff!!!

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Did I just get insulted by someone who plays gotham2 online? Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot I was playing doom online before you had the internet.

You are pathetic indeed.

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I mean I pay around 15 bucks a month for the games I play online .

15 bucks is a lot more than 7. Shame on you.

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I understand why a game like everquest has a monthly fee, it costs a whole lot of money to keep it online. But you couldn't force me to pay for a game like gotham 2 when the game is hosted off of my hardware to find someone to play the game.

You are a kid, or you don’t know anything about servers. What do you think how much cost maintaining of live servers? There are a lot of them, you know? Keep playing PC games with cheaters, maybe you are one of them. There is NO SINGL ONE CHEATER ON LIVE.

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I mean let's be honest here, this is a standard service for almost all online PC games.

PC servers with bunch of cheaters… No tnx, I’ll pay for lag/cheaters free game.

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VoIP has been on pc for several years now, it's nothing new to me, and it's nothing all that special.

I didn’t see noone PC game with built in VoIP + voice masking.

[thecubedcanuck]

holy crap, where do these people come from.
What again is the point of this topic???

Oh yes, english 101.

ah, tabernac

[manunited4eva22]

Kid, listen to me, read what I said.  I said it was my choice to pay that much.  I could very easily give up paying and I could still play, this is a choice for me.

Do I know how much it costs to maintane servers?  Obviously a lot more than you do.  Having run two servers for my own use for about a year now, I am very familiar with the amount of bandwith required to maintane about 30 people playing a game with a decent frame rate.  

The funny thing about the live servers you keep raving about is that for more than a few of the games its running p2p, the only thing connecting the servers is the user interface.  Try it sometime.  But that wasn't my point.  My point is that if I am going to have to pay for a service straight out, and still have to pay for the games that truely require servers (PSO) I don't feel like playing.

One more thing, have you ever even heard of Punkbuster?  There are so few cheaters its not even funny.  Even if there were having rcon (remote console) I can kick whoever I feel is cheating, or ban them if they persist.  Is it a hassle?  Not really, in fact I find humorous to kick people constantly. How about closed battle.net?  There is some hacking that gets through, there is in reality next to nothing.

BTW,

www.teamspeak.org www.ventrilo.com, VoIP.  Works fine for me, or is the fact that it is seperate and far more advanced a turn off for you?

One more thing,  How am I pathetic?  I have been playing online games longer than you have known what online means?  How does this work?

[aLI!En]

Manchester United fans really sux. Anyway:

online
Have you ever heard for Amiga game called Populous? I play that game online 15 years ago using 9600 modem...

servers & VOIP
Don’t tell me anything about that. 3 years ago, I did setup one. I know TCP/IP better than anyone here. I also have Ventrilo server online about 6 months, and guess what, it doesn’t support voice masking like XBOX LIVE!

cheaters
It’s normal thing on PC games. Software like Punkbuster can stop them a little, but if you find humorous to kick cheaters constantly, good for you. Play with them until the rest of your life.

You are acting as pathetic newbie.

[manunited4eva22]

...yet you still don't understand the concept of xbox live using peer to peer connection for most of the games, thus negating most of the "expensive online servers"

Honestly though, I would like you to try something out, it's called an article.  For instance a, an, the.  You are acting like a newbie.  

[CaseyRyback]

Honestly cheating has never been that big of a problem for me. Mainly because if you play on a server with a clan, then cheating is almost never a problem because you have so many people looking for it.

[Uglydot]

I run with a group that plays online games competatively, trust me, I have found good online games...Xbox live is just shallow.

[KDR_11k]

So you're trying to tell me if I don't like Quake, Half-Life, Worms or Diablo II online I'd like what XBox live has to offer? Then, what game would you recommend?

[Uglydot]

KDR, if you don't like what alien here likes, you are a fan boy and an idiot, so go away.  


I have a vent server too, go you.  It serves its purpose well, I can hear my teammates.  I would never pay for it.  Voice masking is useless to me.  

Also, if you know tcp/ip so much, then you have the extra time to learn some english, invest in a dictionary or perhaps some rudimentary grammar book.  Some typos are fine, but come on here.

[aLI!En]

Agree. English isn’t my primary language, but I’ll try to make it better. Anyway, don’t judge my English, it’s the online we are talking here .  

[Oldskool]

must hold anger...

WHY THE HECK WOULD YOU WANT TO GET XBOX LIVE WHEN YOU COULD BE PLAYING SUPERIOR ONLINE GAMES FOR FREE (except for the cost of the game itself and net charges) ON THE PC!!!

Battlefield 1942 owns most online shooters with tons of vehicles, and up to 64 players... and its FREE

Diablo 2 has a huge community and more shiny items then you could shake a stick at.. and its also FREE

Counter-Strike is possibly better on the Xbox... but its been outclassed by newer games and its FREE on the pc

Plus dozens of the greatest RTS games, RPGs, action games, shooters, and more can all be played online on the pc for not a cent more than the games cost and the internet fees.

And then if you have money to throw on subscriptions there are alot of MMO games. But FREE online games are better than the subscription console games will ever be.

The bottom line is: The PC is the undispted king of online games. So instead of MS and Sony putting their bucks into a "war" they cannot win, why don't they try and make CONSOLE gaming better, like Nintendo? I'll never fork out for one of these subscription services, and I'll never forgive if a AAA game is canned because more resourses are being put into the online games.  

[Ymeegod]

"RTS games, RPGs, action games, shooters, and more can "

Not much.  When's the last fighter you played on the PC?  Let alone one that can be played online?

Or half the other sports minus Madden and a few other EA titles?  Top Spin anyone.  Or what about Amped or SSX3 (ps2).  

PC's titles are so freaking limited lately it's nearly a joke.  

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I actually like Xbox's Live and it's features.  Played alot of online PC's and PS2 to realize unless you're playing against someone trustworthly you're going run into alot of issues.  Cheating isn't the only issue but people LOGGING off is especially for sports games.  Nothing cries "loser" more than logging off before the game is finished.  In xbox live you can report them and leave them feedback which prevents others from having similar issues.

Hell I was more than willing to dish out another $$ to get to play GC games online but saddly freaking Big N said it wasn't profitable enough, instead they rather waste money with the DS .

[CaseyRyback]

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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
"RTS games, RPGs, action games, shooters, and more can "

Not much.  When's the last fighter you played on the PC?  Let alone one that can be played online?

Or half the other sports minus Madden and a few other EA titles?  Top Spin anyone.  Or what about Amped or SSX3 (ps2).  

PC's titles are so freaking limited lately it's nearly a joke.  

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I actually like Xbox's Live and it's features.  Played alot of online PC's and PS2 to realize unless you're playing against someone trustworthly you're going run into alot of issues.  Cheating isn't the only issue but people LOGGING off is especially for sports games.  Nothing cries "loser" more than logging off before the game is finished.  In xbox live you can report them and leave them feedback which prevents others from having similar issues.

Hell I was more than willing to dish out another $$ to get to play GC games online but saddly freaking Big N said it wasn't profitable enough, instead they rather waste money with the DS .

Just how are PC titles limited? Besides sports and fighting games, many which have only just started to allow people to play online(in fact if my memory serves correctly Virtua Fighter 2 was online for the PC). Also many of those games you mention like SSX3 allow ou to compete aganist only one person which in my mind negates the reason for online play.

These games do not sell thats why there is not big publisher support to bring them to the PC. The PC is still the king of the MMO, the RTS, FPS, Third Person Shooter and the western RPG.

Also reporting people on Live does nothing, I saw so many racial names in UC and many people calling each other the N word all the time. Personally with using a mouse and keyboard the experience is a lot less prone to twelve year old's being dumbasses. Many a time I simply left a server because one kid ruined the experience for everyone.
Also without the PC and PC online gaming, Microsoft would have never made a console, because they survive on western games which thrive on the functionality of online gaming.