Author Topic: GameCube’s Mid-Term Report Card (Read 67388 times)

nolimit19 · « **Reply #225 on:** January 01, 2004, 09:01:50 AM »

only time will tell who is right when it comes to nintendo surviving its current slump though. there is no reason to get all hyped up about everything. the fact does reamain that nintendo posted its first loss ever very recently.....that is not a good sign no matter how you look at it. it may be too late for nintendo to turn things around, but like i said only time will tell. no one here can know for sure if nintendo will or will not pull through, but i think it will. partly because im pretty sure both sony and m$ post losses for the same quarter that nintendo did. i am not positive, but i think i remember reading that.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #226 on:** January 01, 2004, 01:33:15 PM »

Q]Hostile, I am 23. You are 17, a child. I have a Masters degree in Biochemistry whereas you have still yet to get a high school diploma. Living in a piece of shite place Lousiana, of course violence would be your only recourse, that's probably how you were raised. MC left the forum due to the overwhelming opinion against him. Your posts have no substance and wishing violence on a fellow member of this board only discredits you. I doubt anyone really takes you seriously anyway.

Spare me your educational background and the fact that you're a whopping six years older than me (y'know, if you're 23, I should be able to tell that you are). My efforts here were never to make anyway take me seriously; far from it. I would appreciate it, however, if you would not make assumptions about me, especially my upbringing, as I've probably had a better one than anyone else at this board (assumption, but trying to make a point

).

The point I was trying to make this thread? Being older only means you'll die sooner. Nothing else. Skyline here has done a fine job of proving my point. Now I leave before one of you fools gets me to ban myself.

odifiend · « **Reply #227 on:** January 01, 2004, 02:09:59 PM »

Being older doesn't necessarily mean you'll die earlier. To prove this I point to TV radiation induced cancer!!! Bababommm!! You haven't heard of it yet I know but it is out there! And it is hitting the younger, tv-watching generation first.

P.S. don't even get me started about freak gerbil accidents.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #228 on:** January 01, 2004, 02:23:48 PM »

True, true. I also hear that TV can induce higher risk of stupidity.

StevePitman · « **Reply #229 on:** January 01, 2004, 02:32:50 PM »

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You've finished Mario Kart in 30 minutes? That's about 20 seconds per track And it has huge graphical improvments over it's N64 incarnation, mainly the replacment of sprite with 3D models (on the carts, items etc.)

So you are saying that Mario Kart has 90 tracks??? not even close... Mario Kart is a nice game but as usual it doesn't have a lot to offer. Need for Speed Underground has 111 races in the underground mode alone!

nolimit19 · « **Reply #230 on:** January 01, 2004, 02:40:59 PM »

high school and post college are a world apart....the difference is seriously equal to that of night and day. if anything you should just call him a liar and tell him is is really only 15...

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #231 on:** January 01, 2004, 02:55:32 PM »

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So you are saying that Mario Kart has 90 tracks??? not even close... Mario Kart is a nice game but as usual it doesn't have a lot to offer. Need for Speed Underground has 111 races in the underground mode alone!

And they're all virtually the same.

I think it's funny. . . in that game, they make the screen blur and shake to make it seem like you're going faster

Ocarina Blue · « **Reply #232 on:** January 01, 2004, 04:18:06 PM »

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So you are saying that Mario Kart has 90 tracks??? not even close... Mario Kart is a nice game but as usual it doesn't have a lot to offer. Need for Speed Underground has 111 races in the underground mode alone!

Four cups * Four tracks each = 16 tracks. 16 tracks + all cups mode = 32 tracks. 32 tracks * 4 levels of difficulty = 128 races needed to finish the game. 30 minutes / 128 = something more like 15 seconds per track, I did the original arithmatic hastily, so it was a bit off, sorry. And that's only if you manage to win every GP you enter the first time, ignore the battle mode and don't care to check out any of the carts/characters you earn. I've replayed lots of th GP's with friends because it's just so fun to play.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #233 on:** January 01, 2004, 11:09:22 PM »

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But having said that, we know that consumers continue to be interested in online gaming, and we know that it has to be a component of our next system. We're thinking about how we can fit it in, what kind of partners we would need, and so on.

I read that as "online from the start", probably didn't remember that right. But at least they go online.

vudu · « **Reply #234 on:** January 02, 2004, 07:12:04 AM »

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Originally posted by: SilksI love how Nintendo shies away from online gaming because it "isn't profitable", and yet finds the cash to R&D and release ... ROB the Robot .... I'm sure [this] hardware gold made Nintendo a TON of money.

*ehem*

SSJ Shake · « **Reply #235 on:** January 02, 2004, 07:34:56 AM »

I own both Need for Speed Underground and Mario Kart: Double Dash!!. I was kinda disappointed w/ Mario Kart. Not much improvement. The tracks are repeats of the N64 trax. And no Rainbow Track? That's a mainstay. Then again, I've only beat 2 Grand Prix. I'd pick Need for Speed Underground anyday. And another thing, wat does age have to do at all w/ VIDEO GAMES! We're not talking politics or finances, we're talking video games. Wat does a biochemistry masters have anytihng to do w/ video games? And I'm familiar w/ string theory, astrophysics, and quantum mehcanics, but do I go applying this to video games? No! Einstein once said all viewpoints are equal. Although he was reffering to physics, at least u could try and extend it to human beings.

P.S. I'm not a nerd, I'm just trying to make a point that real intelligence doesn't count much on video games discussions. And I'm sorry for never introduced myself. I'm Tom from Chicagoland area of -augh- Indiana. I own a NES, N64, GB, GBP, GBC, GBA, PS2, and GCN. My older sis owns a SNES and PSX (among systems I own), which I play the RPG's on them from time 2 time. And I HATE XBOX and Bill Gates is the Antichrist.

Kyosho · « **Reply #236 on:** January 02, 2004, 08:12:48 AM »

Age has not much to do with video games. However, when it comes to opinions, obviously different age groups will think differently. As for his major, he probably intended to show the contrasting of age group and how opinions usually match to those respective groups. Hostile is still in high school, and skyline already graduated from college. Even though those are just 4-5 years apart, that's still a very long time for change.

Just for the record, I've owned Atari, NES, SNES, N64, DC, PS2, GB, GBA, and the Cube. Never was interested in the Xbox because I have a PC that can do better. I still play PS2 the most of all my systems. I traded in my n64 for the cube and haven't regret it yet.

Retroyoshi · « **Reply #237 on:** January 02, 2004, 08:58:51 AM »

Well- here's a thought about 'mature looking'. The Saturn was probably the most 'mature' looking of last generation. Boxy, stylish, and launched with Virtua Cop, Daytona, and the Sega Sports games (NHL kicked serious butt). It didn't fare very well at all (even though, quite honestly- it was my favorite console last gen).

The N64 doubled it's weekly sales after the "funtastic" colorful consoles. Granted, that has a lot to do with the imac "clear dishsoap colors" trend- but they didn't blend very well with home theatres and whatnot.

I really, seriously doubt the color scheme had much to do at all with the Cube's sales (as compared to the PS2). Remember, there was black at launch- and purple cubes might have actually given them an additional audience (My girlfriend thinks the purple cube is really cute and much less intimidating than the PS2). Heck, on launch day there *WAS* a couple of girls in line with me.

Incidently, I own the purple one and am quite happy with the color. Black is such a dull color. Incidently, I'm 24 and a professional. I personally hope nintendo keeps it's "different" approach and tries to stay out of the mainstream a bit. I mean, afterall- if the games all look and play the same on all of the different consoles why would anyone choose Nintendo over the others. A minority marketshare is still a marketshare, remember. Niches still need catered to- no matter how big the mainstream grows.

Classical music is still popular with a crowd (and still makes it's money and has it's superstars) even though Brittney Spears Pop and Limp Bizcut and 50 Cent are all the rage right now. Heck, I'm pretty sure classical will outlive Limp Bizcut in the long run. It's a minority market that isn't going away anytime soon.

vudu · « **Reply #238 on:** January 02, 2004, 10:01:37 AM »

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And no Rainbow Track? That's a mainstay. Then again, I've only beat 2 Grand Prix.

keep playing. rainbow road is the final track in special cup. you have to finish star cup in 100cc before you unlock it. so much for beating the game in 30 minutes.

vudu · « **Reply #239 on:** January 02, 2004, 10:03:07 AM »

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PROTIP: Use proper paragraph breaks and people are more likely to read your posts

thank you, super. i've had to skip every single one of skyline's posts because they hurt my head. apparently he was too busy getting his master's to learn how to start a new paragraph.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #240 on:** January 02, 2004, 10:07:59 AM »

I want to apologize to Kyosho. I don't exactly recall if I insulted him, but I may have, and he didn't deserve it. Sorry.

Jonnyboy117 · « **Reply #241 on:** January 02, 2004, 08:15:59 PM »

I'll give you Amusement Vision, they have been great on GameCube. I guess Sonic Team's games have sold pretty well, but I don't care for them at all. Otherwise, Sega hasn't supported the system very well, especially with original games as opposed to ports. However, I am looking forward to the Virtua Fighter Quest game, even though most people seem to hate the screenshots so far.

But I'm still waiting for the Konami games. Even on N64, Konami had the two Castlevanias, ISS Soccer games, big head baseball, two Goemon titles, and several lesser titles like Hybrid Heaven. The only thing I can think of that they have done on GameCube is a big head baseball game in Japan only, and a couple of Disney Sports games that no one cares about. I'm looking forward to Twin Snakes, but it is still a ways off (I'm not holding my breath for March), and it's not exactly a new game, and it's just one Konami title after more than two years of the system being out. It may not seem like such a big deal to us, but Konami is the largest Japanese publisher and carries a LOT of weight over there. They are pretty big in America and Europe too, especially with the soccer games and Castlevania and Metal Gear. The fact that they have so poorly supported GameCube is a lot more distressing to me than publishers like Acclaim and Eidos throwing around insults and pulling support that they'll just give back after they see holiday hardware sales. Midway and Atari are bigger losses, but both of them still have some support for the system and could be won back.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #242 on:** January 02, 2004, 08:54:57 PM »

The Rainbow Road ALWAYS was in the Special Cup and the Special Cup ALWAYS had to be unlocked. How can anyone claim he has seen everything in MKDD, played the previous MKs and hasn't even unlocked the Special Cup?
BTW, why does nobody complain about the NfS series not adding anything major every release? My friend even claimed there was more new stuff in each NfS title than in MKDD!

Yagee · « **Reply #243 on:** January 03, 2004, 03:31:19 PM »

As for here in Germany specifically the sales of Gamecube grows 1000% after price cut. I just waited for that moment after being upset when price drops for the N64 from 399,- DM to 299,- no 2 weeks after launch. I think it won't get a way lower the current 99 EUR.
Over here there is no such run on the XBOX. And I would never ever buy this crap. You can buy PS2 and articles for it in every small store or super market. But for XBOX and Gamecube you'll need to go to certain shops to get your money off. It's no problem to get BBA. And I would like to see online support in games. Just imagine what Mario Kart could have been. It could have been the killer game for online gaming on GameCube (together with F-Zero

). It's a real lack it's not in there. It's also sad and true that the 3rd party support isn't big or perfect. EA's having a exclusive deal with Sony in fields of online gaming. I won't buy castrated games so EA's must get enough money from sony since they won't get it from me and a "few" others.
In my opinion not the online functionality should be profitable. I don't like the aspect of paying endlessly for a game even it makes fun to play. It should be instead one MORE feature of the game to push sales numbers - and that is where the profit may come from.
Since SNES CD-Rom extension (they advertised it here at launch of SNES to come), and the N64 DD (thank god this crap didn't made it to Europe) I simply don't believe ANY promise held by Nintendo. If it's not in or available at start it would not be broadly supported.
As far a "connectivity" to GBA concerns. This has yet to be shown it's usefull. All features yet implemented in the game only get unlocked (NES version in Metroid Prime for instance) or is rather useless (Zeldas Twinky Dinky Winky monitor). It's just to make profit - and that a side of Nintendo I don't like to see.
I have not much time left on playing Zelda to the end. I just have Metroid. These both made me buy that console (and a 20% discount

). When I'm short in time and a friend of mine is here I'd like to play Super Monkey Ball too. It's great fun.
But then? The Gamecube is the first Nintendo Console I'd like to buy a lots of games for. But just that game perls. After F-Zero (when it's players choice) it's get empty on my wishlist and on the horizon there aren't really big blockbusters to come.
Anyway I'am happy with my decision to buy the GC but I definitivly like to have more online games available.
As for sports. Since here in Germany real football is more important than american football and baseball I'm happy to choose between Pro Evolution Soccer and FIFA Football. Wait that's from EA and EA is evil. I'm happy to choose between Pro Evolution Soccer - I mean to buy it or not

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Yagee · « **Reply #244 on:** January 03, 2004, 05:03:16 PM »

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As for sports. Since here in Germany real football is more important than american football and baseball I'm happy to choose between Pro Evolution Soccer and FIFA Football. Wait that's from EA and EA is evil. I'm happy to choose between Pro Evolution Soccer - I mean to buy it or not !

OK Pro Evolution Soccer is not really a GameCube game (yet). Let's take that less brilliant ISS out of the pocket and let me finally say: Football is not so important at all.

By the way:

My GameCube is purple it's been described as cute all the time (by me and my wife

)
I don't have a problem with small game discs. It's a matter of technique - really.
This will be my last posting - before my wife killed me because I must be some kind of nerd reading this HUGE thread over hours (it's 5 o'clock). What a death!

Jonnyboy117 · « **Reply #245 on:** January 03, 2004, 07:00:08 PM »

Thanks for the very interesting report on gaming in Germany. We don't hear much about the industry there. Also, I am adding a quote from you to my signature.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #246 on:** January 03, 2004, 10:47:43 PM »

Yagee: I don't know where you look around, but most stores here have XBox sections that are twice as large as their GC section, not to mention they have the XB and PS2 sections twice - once in toys and once in computergames - while the GC gets filed under toys only. That's really annoying.
BBA availability doesn't seem to be as good as you suggest, on the NoE forums everybody complains about them not being available anywhere...

NWR_Lindy · « **Reply #247 on:** January 04, 2004, 07:53:29 AM »

kingvudu: True, true. R.O.B. is a bad example because it helped Nintendo get space on toy store shelves and sell the first million NES systems. The only point I'd add is that Nintendo quickly dropped R.O.B. in the second year as people actually started to play their games, and from that point on the games sold the system.

My opinion still remains the same - Nintendo has wasted money on products that were a lot less worthwhile than online gaming.

silks

Radical · « **Reply #248 on:** January 05, 2004, 10:28:25 PM »

before i start: yes i do own a gcn.
Your ratings listed; my comments under.

System Sales: B-

Excuse me. GCN is selling only with the huge price drops. PS2 is kicking both XBX and GCN ass.

Exclusive Games: B

Its not because exclusives are rated E. Its because they suck/dont have mass appeal. I bring up 3 games. (i own all 3 & regret)

SF:A ; they turned it into a collect a thon. The game used to be wicked with shooting spaceships and other cool stuff. Collect-a-thon gameplay is boring. Should of been like space games where you buy upgrades for your ship and take merc missions. SF *IS* a merc after all.

SMS: game lost the sm64 charm. nice attempt but did it have to be so.. fruity? (at some points?) And after the Luigi in SM64 fiasco, how come they didnt throw in something for the fans? Way to diss hardcore fanbase.

Zelda: Was cool at SW2k. Im not here to judge the celshaded, but if everyone thought it was cool at SW2k, why fix it? Z:WW with non-cel could of DOUBLED gcn sales.

Third-party Support: C

Because GCN isn't a pc- this is a good thing but when it comes time to port stuff, its bad.

Sports Games: D

I dont think the GCN is for sports. Everyone has sports; madden etc. on GCN is fine.

Technical Prowess: A

Wow, it has good ability, but where are the games?

Connectivity: F

This is a BIG deal. GCN is the ONLY system with practically no online (and "warppipe" is NOT online, you cant credit nintendo for it as it is done purely by the fanbase.)

Public Image: D

"Why the hell would you buy a GCN anyway? The games suck ass."

The above is what everyone has in their mind. This is why GCN sales lag. The key for nintendo is to offer QUALITY exclusives that people NEED gcn for. Then with the low price EVERYONE will have a gcn on the side.

Overall: C

Screw GBA connectivity. GCN really needs online, better exclusive games with the focus on appeal to "mature" gamers (sad but true. I mean, business is business, and nintendo should drop the "fruity" stuff in favor of more money and sales. This does not mean that gameplay needs a setback.)

It doesn't need the colors. It really needs to go out there and establish dominance by giving the public something from the GCN they cant get anywhere else. My bet is nintendo EASILY has enough exclusives, that given the ads and hyped-graphics, will multiply sales.

DrZoidberg · « **Reply #249 on:** January 05, 2004, 11:10:06 PM »

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Third-party Support: C

Because GCN isn't a pc- this is a good thing but when it comes time to port stuff, its bad.

Sports Games: D

I dont think the GCN is for sports. Everyone has sports; madden etc. on GCN is fine.

fail'd @ english school.

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Technical Prowess: A

Wow, it has good ability, but where are the games?

why in my DVD rack ofcourse

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Public Image: D

"Why the hell would you buy a GCN anyway? The games suck ass."

The above is what everyone has in their mind. This is why GCN sales lag. The key for nintendo is to offer QUALITY exclusives that people NEED gcn for. Then with the low price EVERYONE will have a gcn on the side.

yet xbox, with relativly equal sales, doesn't suck eh? oh

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Connectivity: F

This is a BIG deal. GCN is the ONLY system with practically no online (and "warppipe" is NOT online, you cant credit nintendo for it as it is done purely by the fanbase.)

fail'd @ relevance school.

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Overall: C

Screw GBA connectivity. GCN really needs online, better exclusive games with the focus on appeal to "mature" gamers (sad but true. I mean, business is business, and nintendo should drop the "fruity" stuff in favor of more money and sales. This does not mean that gameplay needs a setback.)

why not have BOTH connectivity AND online?

(not that i really care for online, just make the titles with online and release the server side software for people to host their own servers)

thanks for reviving the interweb drama thread, i thought it was going to die

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Author Topic: GameCube’s Mid-Term Report Card (Read 67388 times)