Topic: Resident Evil 4 Discussion

[Bill Aurion]

Whoever didn't see this coming was kidding themselves...

[The Omen]

There seem to be a lot of Nintendo apologists in these forums lately....

And Bill, even if we saw it coming, you would think Nintendo saw it coming too and forked over the dollars to keep it.  They dropped the ball yet again.

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But still... I've got the biggest feeling that RE4 will never be released on the PS2.

It doesn't matter now.  The announcement alone has probably cut the sales of RE4 on the GC in half.  

[Bill Aurion]

"And Bill, even if we saw it coming, you would think Nintendo saw it coming too and forked over the dollars to keep it. They dropped the ball yet again."

I believe this had more to do with Sony paying insane moneyhats to get it ported over, hence leaving Ninty ripped off by Capcom bigwigs...

[Hemmorrhoid]

Well, what can you say, Nintendo is just stupid, if they paid that much money they really could have urged capcom to wait until the game is released to announce its PS2 release, it wouldnt harm sales at all, but now the GCN just cut its sales in half as someone said before.

Well, its just shows how Nintendo keeps making stupid decision, and before the Nintendo fanboys start flaming again, no one can deny that this is bad for Nintendo, neither can anyone deny that this game would have sold GCN because its been on the Famitsu Most Wanted list for months, or years actually. Well, still, the game comes for the GCN and theres worse things like George W Bush winning the election.

[The Omen]

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Well, what can you say, Nintendo is just stupid, if they paid that much money they really could have urged capcom to wait until the game is released to announce its PS2 release, it wouldnt harm sales at all, but now the GCN just cut its sales in half as someone said before.

And that's the biggest problem, Why announce it now to kill sales?  Great idea.   Its an embarrassment.

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Well, still, the game comes for the GCN and theres worse things like George W Bush winning the election.

Actually, there's one thing quite worse than GWB winning...but I don't want to talk politics here.

[Perfect Cell]

 Sony paying insane moneyhats to get it ported over, hence leaving Ninty ripped off by Capcom bigwigs...



Whatever. Capcom signed a contracct with Nintendo to keep it EXCLUSIVE.


I thing its incredibly crappy that Capcom would break the contract months before its release... Its the Sad state of affairs in Nintendos home when they cant keep 1 Exclusive..

This is extremely sad. Nintendo cant do anything right.  

[PaLaDiN]

Did Nintendo even know about this or are they just as stunned as we are?

Did Shinji know about this?

I want to know their reactions.

[Perfect Cell]

Did Nintendo even know about this or are they just as stunned as we are?


Does Nintendo care? I think they are used to this kind of crap.  

[Zero_Plague]

I actually think that Shinji wanted RE4 to stay on the GCN... I don't really know the whole story... but I guess Nintendo as well as us should have seen it coming after Capcom's loop hole right around Code Veronica.  Ah well, what is the world coming to?  Heh, if this is a rush for money, then Capcom really need to sit on their asses and think about what they've done.

Oh well... most of the fanboys will be getting the Gamecube version anyway, but right now, I don't really care what happens.  Then again, I guess it'll bring a lot of newcomers into the 'Resident Evil' world but that can be good and bad both ways.

Ugh, I'm not going to crap on with this... I'll just do my normal "thing", look for new news regarding RE4 and care less about it being on the PS2.  But before I move on... just take a look at this.

Anyway, a few more updates:

- You're able to trade in items with the Arms Merchant for money and also get them cleaned to improve their resale value.

- Location information on the 'caves' area:  Lamps line up along the walls and by shooting them, they explode.

- A new location has been confirmed... The Docks.  The crazed villagers also have the ability to swim from walkway to walkway.  

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

THERE IS NO EMOTICON THAT DESCRIBES HOW I FEEL

[Savior]

Pissed Off thats how i feel

[Zero_Plague]

Hmm.... I don't what it is, but over the past hour I actually feel that RE4 should be ported onto PS2.  Yeah, flame away if you want... but if Capcom does make a profit from this which means more Resident Evil games, then I'm all for it.  Just still look at the bright side... GCN owners will have the game a year earlier, it'll have MUCH better graphics and the loading times will certainly be reduced when compared to that of the PS2.

[Savior]

LOL You say it like if Capcom desperately needed the money. They are one of the most succesfull third parties. They arent in economic trouble.  There is no bright side. It only hurts Nintendo

Thats What I care about. Capcom be dammed  

[Bill Aurion]

"but if Capcom does make a profit from this which means more Resident Evil games, then I'm all for it."

If that's the case then why aren't we seeing ports of PS2 games?  Because Capcom bigwigs live on moneyhats...

[ruby_onix]

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Originally posted by: Zero_Plague
Ugh, I'm not going to crap on with this... I'll just do my normal "thing", look for new news regarding RE4 and care less about it being on the PS2.  But before I move on... just take a look at this.

So basically, Ben Judd (apparently an American working for Capcom in Japan, who has frequent contact with guys like Shinji Mikami and Keiji Inafune) is saying that we need to calm down and understand that Capcom had no choice but to kick Nintendo while they're down (and undercut the sales of their own game while they're at it), because Capcom's a faceless heartless corporation. The word "exclusive" means nothing to them beyond six months, and money is the only thing that matters to them.

Good to know.

[jarob]

Flip flop.  Guess Kerry is not the only one.  Sad on both parts.

[Shift Key]

Zero: The point I was trying to get across is that Capcom's bottom line determines what they do, not one single person. You'd have to be very ignorant to think Capcom was happy releasing RE4 on the third-ranked console worldwide.

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stop jumping to such negative conclusions all the time because frankly... we don't know what the Hell might happen.

I'm just sick of the fanboy-driven optimism, that's all. Like this:

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But the point that I was trying to get across... was that there will be many more Resident Evil games that'll be released after Resident Evil 4, and also that there'll be a Resident Evil game released on a Nintendo system after Resident Evil 4.

You don't know. Aretak hit the nail on the head with the whole "denial" thing.

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I know that you hate me

blol

I hope they put back the door-opening animations in the PS2 version just for the sake of it.  

[Darc Requiem]

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Originally posted by: jarob
Flip flop.  Guess Kerry is not the only one.  Sad on both parts.

Arrgghh. No politics. I'm sick of seeing politics in forums. Jeez. All day on TV, all over the papers, at work, and now here.

Darc Requiem

[Urkel]

The lesson of the day: All 3rd parties are filthy lying backstabbers. Without exception.

I can only hope Nintendo steals Mikami away.

[PlatinumKnight]

It all comes down to this:

Capcom decided that Money was more important than Values/Ethics/Morales/Ones Word/ ect.

They sold out plain and simple!

If Mega Man X series and the Resident Evil Series where not my most favorite series of all

time I would never consider buying a Capcom game EVER again.

RE4 is my most anticapted game in my 21 years on this planet. If it wasnt for that I

wouldn't buy it.

I have RE0, RE1, RE2 on N64, Mega Man X on Snes. All the games I own are either Nintendo

First Party/ Exlusive, EA Sports or Capcom games.

And Benjudd spare me this:
"Lets escape from reality into a morally perfect utopia where none of us lie and we are all

perfect beings..."

Talk about PR Spin! Is this supposed to be an excuse. So the world is full of lairs so that

supposed to make it okay. What's the saying "If everyone jumps off a bridge......"

I will buy this game the day it is released, but I will be mad when the PS2 version gets

all the bonus material and all the cool extras.

I refuse to buy a non Nintendo console. I got every one Nintendo ever made except Virtual

Boy. See Nintendo fans are smart. I'm a hardcore RE fan but im not paying $39.99 for a

several year old port of RE2 OR RE3. They where supposed to be $19.99 yet another Capcom

lie.....

Product Number 2 was just garbage, and Capcom is mad we didnt buy it. Viewtiful Joe sold

well and what does Capcom do, port it over to PS2 and make the sequel multiplatform. Its a

lose lose for Nintendo.

Ask yourself this:
Is Capcom more interested in making Great, Highly Rated games, Critcally Acclaimed games,

that garner mediacore sales, or releasing a crappy "Mature" game that that goes quadruple

platinum and makes them Millions of dollars.

The power of the allmighty yen.....
Money is definatley the root of all evil......

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

P.N.03 was NOT garbage.

It exists in the love/hate category.  I'd take P.N.03 over any/all of the Mega Man X crap (I do own X1, X2, X3 on SNES, love them, thank you) that's come out since the PSX days.  Shinji Mikami had quite a few good ideas in this project (yes, before he started reworking Resi4), it just had the unfortunate accessibility flaw of not giving the player the proper idea of how the game should be played.  That was the biggest problem; many reviewers didn't know how to approach the game mechanics and objectives, and instead simply lost sight and marked down the game for not playing like other generic 3rd-person jump-up/down character shooter adventures.  Not right.

I think GameSpy's review was one of the scarce few that gave it a fair enough look to realize what's going on in the game.  P.N.03 is a uniquely presented take on classic arcade shoot'em-ups like Gradius and 1942.  It applies those reflex-intensive "defense over offense" fundamentals to a character system.  The emphasis is on weaving thru gunfire to position yourself for clear shots.  Since you have automatic targeting, aim is not an issue, giving the play priority to movement and position.  And since you're rewarded (in an arcade sense: points/money) for destroying enemies in quick succession (seconds between each), you're inclined to maintain a constant forward motion to reach the next enemy before the combo timer runs out.  This is why me and maybe 3 other people enjoy P.N.03; for its reflex-intensive "arcadey" feel in a "modern" shell/interface.  I'd rate it a GOOD 7.5, for having solid core mechanics and just lacking bells and whistles.  Most other sites would give it a BAD 7.5 cuz they thought the game had "obvious" problems when actually the problems were with the reviewers.

Cross-posting is bad for your rectum.  

[Zero_Plague]

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I'm just sick of the fanboy-driven optimism, that's all.

You know, I guess you're right... you're one-hundred percent right.  We've got some members on these boards saying that they will NEVER by a console that didn't involve Nintendo in its production.  Fanboys are so... what's the word?  "Stubborn" and "hot-headed" I guess I'll have to use.  Not the best description, but it's true.  I know that in many times I'm stubborn when I don't get what I want and sometimes even... fiery, but what you have to keep in mind, is that you are exactly the same.

You're a fanboy of Nintendo, no doubt... like hundreds upon hundreds of other members on these boards that are right now saying... "God damn Capcom can't keep themselves in line.  They're suckers when it comes to money."  Then there are people on the Playstation boards that are saying, "Why are the GCN users carrying on?  Sony needs Resident Evil back where it started.",  and then there are people on the Resident Evil boards commenting such things like, "At least it'll attract more members into the Resident Evil world.  Capcom may be pleased".

You see?  We argue against fanboyism but what we don't get is that WE ARE all fanboys and we don't even realise how stubborn WE can be.  So before you open your mouth regarding how pathetic fanboyism is, look around the members you post with.  Fanboyism is everywhere, and as stubborn as it may be, we've got to respect and live with it.  

[Hemmorrhoid]

to say that as a sign of anger your not gonna buy anymore capcom games ist just plain stupid because, you miss out on a great game, it hurts nintendo even more, and capcom will probably be proven right in the assumption that RE4 should be ported because GCN isnt the right platform

seriously, the port isnt that surprising, PS2 strongest games the GTA series also got ported, its just stupid they announced it now, but maybe nintendo could have stopped that aswell, i guess both are to blame, and i also think its time to let it go, we cant change it anymore, just buy RE4 so another one would atleast be developed for Revolution

[Dracula]

The loyalty to Nintendo is still as big as ever for me, and I still own only GC out of the 3 home consoles, but I won't even deny that lately I've been more then tempted to buy a PS2 as well. I enjoy playing my GC games, but the thing is there are games (in some genres) that are missing on the GC.

First of all we have no real Tennis games. Sega could have given us Virtua Tennis, but instead they gave us the lousy Virtua Soccer, which is by far one of the worse sports games ever. We also miss a good Rally game, and not to be forgetting the countless other 3rd party games we miss out on. There is no need to write about all the games that I would have liked to play on the GC, as that is a known issue.

But what bothers me the most, is all the great RPGs I as a GC only owner am missing out on. The good RPGs released on the GC can be counted on one hand, and as a RPG fan, it just is not enough for me. I want to play more RPGs as that is one of my favorite genres.

Basically what I'm saying is that, even people like me, who has been die hard Nintendo fans for almost 20 years, are now considering to buy atleast a second console, in addition to the Nintendo one, and if it continues like this, there is no other way for Nintendo then to turn into a 3rd party developer/publisher like Sega, and pull out of the hardware market.

I really don't see any future for Nintendo in the hardware market, if things stay as they are. Nintendo are getting killed out there. MS have taken over the 2nd spot, and Nintendo would be lucky to sell 10 million consoles in the next generation. I'm pretty sure MS will come out even harder the next time, now that they have established themselves. And most of GC owners own a second console anyway now. The PS2 owners do not.

About RE4, I doubt that it could have sold anymore GCs (atleast not increased the userbase drastically) by staying an exclusive, because a couple of games can not change the image Nintendo have managed to create for themselves. Nintendo have been too occupied with making profits, that they have forgotten that some losses now, could help them in the future. Nintendo should have paid/ivested more money to/in developers to develop new software for the GC.

At the moment, I regeret missing out on the PSX in the last generation and the PS2 in this one. 25 is too old for being blind on what the other consoles have to offer.

[Shift Key]

Alright Zero. I tried to let this slide, but I can't help it.

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Sony needs Resident Evil back where it started.

Where it started? I think the fact there are 70-odd million PS2s had more to do with it than nostalgia.

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So before you open your mouth regarding how pathetic fanboyism is, look around the members you post with. Fanboyism is everywhere, and as stubborn as it may be, we've got to respect and live with it.

Respect it? Perhaps. Live with it? Hell no. Why should I tolerate the whinings about Capcom "selling out" when it doesn't change anything. If you don't like it, blog it and hopefully someone who cares will read it.

Dracula:

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First of all we have no real Tennis games.

Real tennis game? Unless you don't call Mario Tennis "real" then no, there are no real tennis games. Virtua Tennis is the best real tennis game I've come across (that was for DC, can't say much about the port to PS2).

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Nintendo are getting killed out there.

Statistically, they are. Financially, that's a whole other story. There was an article a while back that said Nintendo was the most profitable out of the three console makers (it was independent of the three companies). I think the link might even be deep within the recesses of these forums.