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Offline dark_eliment

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RE:"The Trouble With Nintendo"
« Reply #175 on: March 25, 2004, 07:39:14 PM »
what else is wrong with nintendo?
if you had one thing that you ever wanted what would it be.. just think about it, what would ya say?

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« Reply #176 on: March 26, 2004, 02:12:00 AM »
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On another note, games rated M rarely sell. Really, that's what was stated in many sales studies. Out of about 40 million sellers only about four were rated M.


Thats a misleading stat.  There are a lot less 'M' rated games on the market when compared to 'E' and 'T'.

Another point is-even if 'M' titles as a whole don't sell as high, i bet games like 'State of Emergency' sold better than it should have.
The point is they do sell more than they should because people buy violence.  I buy violent movies all the time.  Games, not as many.  But I can discern quality in most cases, whereas a 14 year old may not.    And thats the inherent problem with a saturated market...somebody will buy crap.  Thats not to say everyone who buys games like these have no taste, or are sick in the head.  I'd say the majority of people, like CubedCanuck, like the games.  But its the other 10-20% who buy it for no other reason than "Thats hot, yo! You can rip his heart out!"
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« Reply #177 on: March 26, 2004, 02:16:38 AM »
Well it's a fact that there are more AAA "E" games than AAA "T" and "M" games...That is something that noone can deny...And I still say the ESRB needs to learn the true definition of "mature."
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RE:"The Trouble With Nintendo"
« Reply #178 on: March 26, 2004, 02:29:51 AM »
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Originally posted by: dark_eliment
what else is wrong with nintendo?


you.

more games on all systems need pirates, pirates playing kiss music, then the natural ballance of the universe will be restored.
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« Reply #179 on: March 26, 2004, 05:30:35 AM »
Omen: Well, we all THINK people buy violent games for the violence, but those sales don't seem to make a big impact. But then you can easily get the impression that everybody and their dog wants to play console games online. Apparently we aren't right, the public seems to be smarter than we want to admit (doesn't mean they're not stupid, but not as stupid as we tend to think).

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« Reply #180 on: March 28, 2004, 12:57:44 PM »
I'd like to throw in my two cents... but I can't; I'm broke, and I didn't read this thread from the start. So I'll just throw in half a cent: Nintendo Rules.

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« Reply #181 on: March 28, 2004, 12:59:21 PM »
Hmmm, very productive post Edisim.

And yes, Nintendo Rules.

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RE:"The Trouble With Nintendo"
« Reply #182 on: March 29, 2004, 11:41:42 AM »
I just edited my main post. Eric Josue of Otaku Ezine has posted this editorial on his website, which you can find here.
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« Reply #183 on: March 29, 2004, 06:58:05 PM »
Mouse!

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« Reply #184 on: March 30, 2004, 03:07:37 PM »
as far as oline gaming goes...i think more people want it then can afford it. Personally i wanna play games like Final Fantasy XI, but i cannot afford to pay for it monthly. If it was free i would gladly jump on it.  
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« Reply #185 on: July 04, 2004, 02:13:30 PM »
It looks like we have another detractor amongst us. Isn't it an odd time for more Nintendo bashing, with E3 being a mere month and a half ago? I guess Nintendo haters will always hate Nintendo.
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« Reply #186 on: July 04, 2004, 02:29:45 PM »
Thanks for bringing this back, mouse. Some people just don't learn. Read page one of this thread, kiddos.
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« Reply #187 on: July 04, 2004, 04:15:14 PM »
Haven't you noticed by now, M_C?  Nintendo could be doing everything right and people would still bitch.
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« Reply #188 on: July 04, 2004, 05:09:13 PM »
Its really strange to come back and read my posts on this topic 3 months later.  And guess what?  They haven't changed!  People just bitch and bitch.  Go buy a Neo Geo you maggot!
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« Reply #189 on: July 05, 2004, 07:16:42 AM »
"Nintendo could be doing everything right and people would still bitch."

But wouldn't Nintendo be the console leader then?  Seems like bitching wouldn't be needed anymore.

"Its really strange to come back and read my posts on this topic 3 months later. And guess what? They haven't changed!"

Why would three months make a difference?  That's not enough time for any significant change.

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« Reply #190 on: July 05, 2004, 08:16:39 AM »
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"Nintendo could be doing everything right and people would still bitch."

But wouldn't Nintendo be the console leader then? Seems like bitching wouldn't be needed anymore.


Nope.  You can do everything right without the masses following.  And are you telling me if Nintendo were number 1, nobody would bitch?

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Why would three months make a difference? That's not enough time for any significant change.


I'm quite certain i've changed my opinion on many things in the last 3 months.  
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« Reply #191 on: July 05, 2004, 08:43:00 AM »
"Nope. You can do everything right without the masses following. And are you telling me if Nintendo were number 1, nobody would bitch?"

Well I'm at least saying I wouldn't bitch.  I would like to see Nintendo do everything right to see my reaction to it.  Of course it's impossible for one company to be completely perfect but seeing them in a situation where they're consistently firing on all cyclinders would be great.

I think a lot of you are confusing bitching with legimately complaining.  Nintendo has made a lot of really DUMB decisions this gen and they could have done a much much better job.  I think a great deal of the complaints made against them are justified because they really have appeared to be sleepwalking through this gen.

Complaining about your team because they made it to the finals and lost is bitching.  Over the last few years Nintendo has been like a team that missed the playoffs.  Big difference.

Nintendo has been improving and so far this year has been a very significant improvement over last year both in games released (or set to be released) and in their E3 showing.  However they screwed up so much before that they really have to be consistently on fire so naturally every little mistake they make is going to be focused on.  They're climbing out of a hole they created and they have a limited time to do it so every slip they make right now is significant.

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« Reply #192 on: July 05, 2004, 03:09:45 PM »
You're right.  Nintendo has been improving.  So why bitch while this transformation happens?  If Nintendo were the best selling console, everyone would still complain.  The complaints would be different , but still evident.  Its just that we expect so much, complaints will never be far behind.
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RE:"The Trouble With Nintendo"
« Reply #193 on: July 05, 2004, 03:14:50 PM »
nintendo isn't trouble and i only read the topic name but there is no trouble
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« Reply #194 on: July 05, 2004, 03:42:21 PM »
The thing is, Ian, even a legitmate complain becomes bitching when people won't shut up about it. look at the ordeal with Final Fantasy- yes, it having extremely long cutscenes is a legitimate complaint, but I've heard that complaint so many times now I'm ready to strangle the next person that utters it. What makes it even worse is that they think they've come to some huge revelation and have to "spread the word"- most of the complaints I hear about Nintendo aren't legitimate, and the ones that are legitimate I've had shoved down my throat a thousand times, and quite frankly I'm sick of it. And in the end, the whole point of this thread is that even if you do have a host of legitimate complaints, so what? Take your business elsewhere or just enjoy your Gamecube.

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« Reply #195 on: July 05, 2004, 03:52:52 PM »
Final Fantasy isn't trouble and i only read the topic name but there is no trouble with extremely long cutscenes
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« Reply #196 on: July 05, 2004, 05:10:24 PM »
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Final Fantasy isn't trouble and i only read the topic name but there is no trouble with extremely long cutscenes


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« Reply #197 on: July 05, 2004, 06:17:09 PM »
Lets see if FF flops after the Advent of Children oh yea.......... it has FF7 in its title  so for sure it  wont screw up as FF: spirits within. I think Square-Enix's life boat is FF7 and  Dragon Quest(warrior) *which is true*. sheesh


P.S. I wonder if im gonna get flamed by the FF7 lover who cant spell for his life.


And on topic Nintendo is safe IMO and like said before improving on its showings and I hope  Cube gets awesome sales this fall with the awesome line up, and that the DS is a sure hit for Nintendo this fall.
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« Reply #198 on: July 09, 2004, 07:44:51 PM »
I can understand Nintendo fans not liking certain points in that article, but you cannot deny some things; That Nintendo's market share has diminished in every generation.  They had over 90% in the NES era, probably about 55 to 60% in the 16-Bit era, then about 35% in the 32/64-bit era, and now they've dropped further.

Yes, there profits are still very good, but they aren't nearly what they could be.  Nintendo wants to be profitable, right?  Then why not give the majority of the people what they want?  Would you honestly be that upset if Nintendo actually made a few new franchises that catered to the older gamers?  Before I go further, I should comment that it isn't necessarily true that only older games like those games.  I have a 14 year old younger brother who is a bit, well, obsessed with games such as Halo or Grand Theft Auto.  The problem with Nintendo's thinking is that they still think that younger kids like their games.  That isn't as true nowadays.  Most kids like the "cooler" games, not the fun, happy, bright-and-colorful games.  

And it isn't as though he doesn't like Mario games or anything; he just hates the newer versions of them.  He played Super Mario World for hours and hours, and beat every level when he was younger.  But the appeal is no longer there, and from what I've seen from my peers and from his friends, those characters don't have the same appeal to the general gaming public.  To Nintendo fans, they still have that same appeal and that makes it difficult to understand that some people have lost interest.

Secondly, third-party support has dropped since the peak, and even then it wasn't quite to the standards of other consoles.  Very few multiplatform games sell better on Gamecube than on the other systems.  Off of the top of my head, I can think of the Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee game, Burnount and Burnout 2, and Soul Calibur, which undeniably had the most copies sold because of Link.  Aside from those, most third-party games bomb on the GCN and it is not simply because Nintendo makes so much better games.  

Despite my misgivings, I do not expect Nintendo to go away or be bought out.  They have around $8 billion in the bank and made about $298 million dollars in profits last year, and expect to make over $600 million this year.  But it is concerning, and one day Nintendo's market share could shrink to the point where they are no longer profitable.

Oh and to the last poster's comment about FFVII fans who can't spell for their life... I am an FFVII fan, and I can spell better than 99% of the people online ^_~.  Oh, and I don't need the flames about liking FFVII.  It isn't even in my top 20; I just like the game.  If you don't like Final Fantasy VI, then you can flame me about that.  That game is in my top 5 =).  And if anyone is wondering, my first system was a SNES, second system was a N64, then a GCN, then a PSX.  Oh and Gameboy, Gameboy Pocket, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, and Gameboy Advance SP.  I am a Ninty fan, but I think that not recognizing that Nintendo could do a lot of improving is foolhardy.

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RE:"The Trouble With Nintendo"
« Reply #199 on: July 09, 2004, 07:46:23 PM »
Mumei: You missed the entire point of my editorial. Read it again, maybe you weren't paying attention very well.  
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