Author Topic: tribute to the great jfk (Read 14147 times)

Short Girlie · « **Reply #25 on:** November 25, 2003, 03:18:37 PM »

Everyone can have their own opinions, Mutated. Just chill!

The Omen · « **Reply #26 on:** November 25, 2003, 04:50:48 PM »

I'll just give my personal feelings on JFK. I've scanned a lot of peoples replys, but didnt read every one, so bear with me. I think JFK was our last great leader. And while people say he sort of stayed clear of the civil rights movement, he at least supported many civil rights leaders which was highly uncommon in those days. He was against Veitnam. Many historians believe that was his demise, and i would agree. The war machine = money and power. I believe he was killed for that reason, and his search for peaceful solutions to the Soviets and Castro. He did have many faults which would never be ignored in this day of knowing every little thing. But he also did something that no president since has accomplished-he captured the hearts of all races and religions, and for awhile, it looked like we might make some headway. Of course, after his murder, and the 3 killings that followed, America and the peoples trust of the government were ruined. The bottom line is, the U.S.A. was on the way to working as it should, and hasn't since.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 25, 2003, 06:10:10 PM »

http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws198.htm

there is lots of information on lincolns racism. i think the important thing to learn from things like this is to not make something or someone into an idol. you can admire kennedy for the hope he instilled in people, you can like kobe for his eratic shot selection, or you can even like long john silver for his really cool name, but just because they did good things or have cool characteristics doesnt mean they are these great all around people. thats the trouble with american history and that why i started this thread...in hope of finding a less bias view on what made this guy so "great". the media just spits out all this nonsense about camelot that is just a bunch of propoganda and it seems like they are trying to do him the same injustice they did many of out former presidents.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #28 on:** November 25, 2003, 06:14:46 PM »

There's not one President that didn't have a hidden vice...Not one...And sadly, that's how human nature is...It's just that people expect the President to be completely moral and true because he's the one leading the pack, and that's why you see more positive notes on former Presidents than negative ones...

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 26, 2003, 04:46:24 AM »

nolimit-don't waste my time with that crap, read the source at the bottom.

SOURCE: Information for this article was derived from an article in the Los Angeles Times, Orange Co. Edition, Book Review, 9 April, 2000, entitled, "Was Abraham Lincoln A Racist?" by Eric Foner. If the reader is wondering why this page is red with a black border, it is symbolic of the links between the U.S. republic and Naziism, red and black being the blood-colors of the Nazi flag.

Jdub03 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 26, 2003, 05:42:40 AM »

On another note...Funny qoutes Mutated...Very funny.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #31 on:** November 26, 2003, 07:19:50 AM »

"Speeches can make or break a President's reputation...Look at Bush...He mispronounces a few words and everyone is on his back about it..."

That must not work in Canada since we've had Jean Chretien for the last hundred years of so. The guy pronouces "look at the cars on the road" as "look at de car on de road". The joke is that he can't speak English or French. "Happy Birdday Canada!"

Anyway I've always felt that Kennedy gets a lot of praise partially because of his death. If you think about it he went out on top. He died before people really had a chance to dislike him. I don't think his death is the only reason he's remembered but I'll bet you if he didn't die and then royally f*cked something up people would be convienently forgeting a lot of the good stuff he did. Often people are remembered for their most recent work. And no human leader will ever be perfect because no human is perfect.

And there's no way to explain politics because logic doesn't seem to imply. Bill Clinton cheats on his wife and then lies to the American public UNDER OATH and his approval rating goes up. George W. Bush mispronounces another country's name and people accuse him of being an idiot. Politics are just plain weird.

twinkletoes · « **Reply #32 on:** November 26, 2003, 12:06:24 PM »

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Originally posted by: nolimit19
http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws198.htm

there is lots of information on lincolns racism. i think the important thing to learn from things like this is to not make something or someone into an idol. you can admire kennedy for the hope he instilled in people, you can like kobe for his eratic shot selection, or you can even like long john silver for his really cool name, but just because they did good things or have cool characteristics doesnt mean they are these great all around people. thats the trouble with american history and that why i started this thread...in hope of finding a less bias view on what made this guy so "great". the media just spits out all this nonsense about camelot that is just a bunch of propoganda and it seems like they are trying to do him the same injustice they did many of out former presidents.

That's just plain stupid, nolimit. Abe was not racist. Being president is also not the easiest thing to do, and you can't always believe what you read. Abe was a great president so stop saying hes racist cause he isnt. And a lot of people were racist at that time but that doesn't mean everybody was racist.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 26, 2003, 12:20:11 PM »

well i believe he wasnt the man he was made out to be, but i cant find the thing im trying to find. if i do find it, its really interesting and ill post it.

edit: no one argues about kennedys afair. he had them, and plenty of them...and he also had a drug problem because of some disease....i cant remember what. im not saying these people are bad people, just that they arent the heros that we are taught they are.

ThePerm · « **Reply #34 on:** November 26, 2003, 12:23:22 PM »

Abraham Lincoln was racist, and so was every other white man in the country at the time(well save some really special people). Abe was against slavery because he felt sorry for Slaves. Also it would really help his vote with the abolitionists which was a huge party at the time(though 99% Northern). Lincoln didnt even win with a huge majority there were so many people running that he just happened to have like 14% of the vote if i remember correctly and that was enough to win. Lincoln was against slavery, but did not see Black Americans as his equal. Truth being it doesnt really matter how he felt it matters what he did.

and Kennedy really didn't do anything that special really save the space program. Missle Crisis? Does anyone want to be blown up? I think anyone can agree that its best not to blow each other up if there is no need to.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #35 on:** November 26, 2003, 12:32:18 PM »

thank God someone listens to reason here

twinkletoes · « **Reply #36 on:** November 26, 2003, 12:34:47 PM »

No matter what you guys wil say, Abe was not racist. You both don't have any proof that he was.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 26, 2003, 12:37:00 PM »

well there is proof, and if i find anything more convincing, then i will post it.

The Omen · « **Reply #38 on:** November 26, 2003, 12:55:11 PM »

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edit: no one argues about kennedys afair. he had them, and plenty of them...and he also had a drug problem because of some disease....

He had a debilitating disease which made it hard for him to walk or sit up straight. I hardly blame him for being addicted to the only drugs available that could lesson his pain. Its widely known, had he lived to the next election, he wouldn't of made it through the term. He was in so much pain, he often had to wear a back brace so he wouldn't slouch in his chair.

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And there's no way to explain politics because logic doesn't seem to imply. Bill Clinton cheats on his wife and then lies to the American public UNDER OATH and his approval rating goes up.

Just about every president cheats on his wife. And Clinton was more personable, likeable. Bush is easy to dislike. Thats all it ever comes down to. To us, sex and cheating matter little . We don't care what they do unless you're a staunch Republican, then you'll always hate the democrats, and vice versa. The reason Clintons ratings went up was because the american people thought it was a witchhunt, and it was, from the Republicans.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 26, 2003, 01:02:29 PM »

yea i dont blame him for the drug problem either, it would suck to live with that much pain. i probably would have been just as messed up if i was in his position.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #40 on:** November 26, 2003, 01:33:18 PM »

"Just about every president cheats on his wife. And Clinton was more personable, likeable."

I wasn't complaining about his cheating tendencies (though I'm not fond of that) but rather that he lied under oath to the American public. Supporting a president who lied to your face is idiotic. Plus since he lied under oath it means he also commited a crime on national television and got away with it.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 26, 2003, 01:39:03 PM »

thats the problem i had with him too....who cares that he cheated on his wife, (its horrible, but nothing to get you kicked out of office) but he lied under oath. i just dont see how people still stick up for him for that.

The Omen · « **Reply #42 on:** November 26, 2003, 04:16:56 PM »

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thats the problem i had with him too....who cares that he cheated on his wife, (its horrible, but nothing to get you kicked out of office) but he lied under oath. i just dont see how people still stick up for him for that.

Yes, he lied under oath...about something that he shouldn't of been targeted for anyway. No pesidents have ever been attacked for anything like that. And i'm not a Clinton fan, not even Democrat, but i can see it for what it was...republicans hated him, and thats the dirt they could dig up. Just remember, all of them lie under oath at some point, we just don't know about it. We are dealing with politicians here, the scum of the earth.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 27, 2003, 04:03:43 AM »

well dont forget that he was being prosecuted by a person for sexual harassment...he was not being investigated for cheating on his wife...that just came up because of linda trip who came forward blablabla...i think that if someone said he harrassed them sexually, then he should have been prosecuted...it was all so long ago, i dont even know how he got away with all of it.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 27, 2003, 04:25:44 AM »

Paula Jones sued in civil court, she lost anyway. How far is this thread going to get off track anyway?

The Omen · « **Reply #45 on:** November 27, 2003, 06:55:02 AM »

I just wanted to add that the special i saw last week about the single bullet theory was utter nonsense, They ignored so much contrary evidence in order to make the single bullet theory stand up , it was laughable. More government supported propaganda to sway peoples opinions on the anniversary of the murder.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #46 on:** November 27, 2003, 02:40:53 PM »

I felt like I need to get my opinion in here.

One major reason JFK was so liked is because he was so young. Hear me out before attacking me. He gave the American people reason to believe that America was still young at heart and things could change (which was obviously necessary at the time). You can't say that he didn't do that to the nation like no other president has.

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He was in so much pain, he often had to wear a back brace so he wouldn't slouch in his chair.

Which is one reason he actually died that day. After the first shot, human reflexes would be to slouch over in pain. However, because of the brace he was wearing in the car, he couldn't, allowing the other shots an easier path.

ThePerm · « **Reply #47 on:** November 27, 2003, 06:17:36 PM »

before clinton he was the youngest president and he was the first catholic president....well i guess he broke some boundaries...nott big ones

Jdub03 · « **Reply #48 on:** December 02, 2003, 07:30:52 AM »

It does not seem as though he did he had strong feelings against slavery. Feelings, Imo, that could not have come from a slave owner. Ive skimmed through many sites that say he didnt. I dont feel like giving links but if you want them ill look them up later. I really dont know. Im just making an assumption just like everone else in this thread. Here is one of his statements he made on the matter.

1865: “I have always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves it should be first those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others. Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.”(Lincoln, 1953, v8, p360-1) ~Abraham Lincol

I dont believe Clinton was a bad president just for receiving favors from monica. There are many other factors that imo deemed him an unfit president. One minor reason is the fact that he got caught, and then tried to deceive everyone. He actually thought he could do it too. This is not a good sign for the head of our country. The president, or any other leader of a nation, should always be truthful to the public. What else was he being deceitful about. I also did not agree with some of the things he stood for.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #49 on:** December 02, 2003, 09:54:02 AM »

well for his time he may have been ahead of the game, but if someone of today had the same beliefs as him, he would most definitely be labled a racist.

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Author Topic: tribute to the great jfk (Read 14147 times)