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« Reply #75 on: March 25, 2020, 11:24:16 PM »
Well this happened here is Arizona.  A man died for trying to use chloroquine phosphate is an additive to clean fish tanks and kill parasites in the tanks. The one that is used for Malaria is hydroxy chloroquine and has shown decent in a few small studies but these studies need to be expanded before making it a viable option for COVID-19.  By the way hydroxy chloroquine hasn't been approved by the FDA as a treatment.  There is no cure currently.   The difference between the two is how they are formulated.  His wife is in critical condition currently after injesting it as a possible treatment of COVID-19. She threw up most of the chemical.   Both were/are in their 60s. 

AZ couple suffer from meds as a possible cure for COVID-19

I mentioned this in the funhouse, but the part you are leaving out is WHY they thought to use that **** as a "CURE" for COVID-19 especially when they didn't even have the virus or any symptoms.
Old couple scared, being misinformed by public figures they "trust" to give them "facts" and to see those "facts" parroted on their favorite Faux "news" channel, led them to believe they had access to something that could help. It was irresponsible and shows the complete incompetence, greed and lack of compassion of the people in charge, as if that hasn't been apparent for at least the last 3 years, and depending on who your talking about specifically (if you've been paying attention) for much, much, much longer than that.

p.s. there were other people that thought the try the same things. This didn't only happen in AZ, but in other countries as well. for the exact same reason.

Except that's a ludicrous distortion that came from twitter. He who shall not be named expressed his hopefulness about it and wants to rush out the trails just like the NY governor also expressed on Tuesday after the reported deaths. Nobody said "We got her" nor landed on an aircraft carrier with a big "mission accomplished" banner on it like twitter made it out to be. See for yourself, here are the relevant transcripts from the past few press conferences since he started mentioning it:

https://pastebin.com/LvuFiede

Idiots self-medicating following instructions they found on the internet to drink cleaning fluid that was the wrong chemical can't be pinned on him anymore than they can be pinned to Cuomo, France, or China. When people criticize him over made up stuff, it completely debases real criticisms of him and hardens him and his supporters in their ways. It's just making the problem worse.
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« Reply #76 on: March 26, 2020, 12:07:01 AM »
When he starts incompetently naming drugs by name that are at an early testing phase live on National TV and incorrectly states that it's been approved by the FDA as a "cure" then he does have blame in this. When those same statements are parroted on Faux News as "truth" and "cure" then the blame does fall on the man some want to call a "leader" to have mislead them into thinking his statements were in any way true. He's told so many lies up to this point, I'm not sure why anyone listens to anything he says... but that's just me.

Now that doesn't give him 100% of the blame for desperate people being desperate, stupid people being stupid, or the willfully ignorant continuing to be so, but that's his base, and he knows exactly how he is manipulating these people.
The drug they were taking is basically the same, or very similar (in name) and they all took the wrong dosage even if they had the right medicine (psa: please do not self medicate.... especially from products not meant to be ingested)

Therefore he certainly can be blamed for irresponsible comments that are meant to mislead the public (mostly in an effort to stabilize the stock market, not because he actually cares about the people that are being affected by any of this....)

and I've seen the videos of him talking. they've been on repeat in new political ads, news programs, radio, etc etc. I'm not gonna post them due to heavy political slant this will all take, but the point is, blame most certainly can be placed and nothing about that is ludicrous or distorted.

edit: Chloriquine & Hydroxychloriquine (excuse the spelling) is what was mentioned in 2 different speeches.
A version of this is found in aquarium shops as an additive for cleaning tanks. Other doctors are prescribing them out without need for prescription, and it's all because it was mentioned as "A game changer" and "a cure" "approved by the FDA" by a certain someone live on National TV from the highest office in the land.
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« Reply #77 on: March 26, 2020, 12:24:47 AM »
The real reason I had come in here....

Sad day in NY yesterday w/ 13 deaths and things looking to get worse (due to the sloth like gov response).
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-hospitals.html

People would have you believe that this is just another flu... but it is certainly more than that.
Everyone please practice social distancing if you must go out. If we don't all take this serious now, it's gonna be an issue for much longer than it needs to be.

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« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2020, 07:16:58 AM »
A record 3.3 Million people apply for unemployment LAST WEEK!!!!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/26/unemployment-claims-coronavirus-3-million/

This is apparently 2% of the US Workforce... and there are tons more to come in the next few weeks/months :/
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« Reply #79 on: March 26, 2020, 08:09:15 AM »
$600 in unemployment benefits ON TOP OF the state unemployment benefits for 4 months is just ridiculous. That's $2,400+ a month. That's more than I make right now at $15.50 an hour, and I AM working during all this.

Good luck getting people off unemployment after this.
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« Reply #80 on: March 26, 2020, 08:51:25 AM »
You know what you have to do now!!! Full time self-isolation sound more profitable in the short term and you get to spend your time online and/or with family instead. LOL

MORTGAGE MORATORIUM NEWS:
In other news, if you're in CALIFORNIA, there is apparently about to be a 90 DAY MORATORIUM by almost every major lender. One major lender has instead agreed to do a 30 day moratorium at a time, but keep extending it as long as necessary.

All deferred payments will of course be tacked on to the back of your mortgage, therefore extending your payoff dates at least 90 days (unless you use this opportunity to make principle payments instead)

If you are in NEW YORK, I hear there is a RENT FREEZE and MORTGAGE MORATORIUM in place.
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« Reply #81 on: March 26, 2020, 02:08:23 PM »
Welp as of today there is 508 cases of COVID-19 in Arizona and 8 deaths.    Our Governor made an executive order of essential services during this outbreak and that Mayors would have to go talk with the Governor about any possible changes to the essental services list.  Here is the list that our Governor Doug Ducey has put forth.

Health care and public health operations, including hospitals, public health entities, distributors of personal protective equipment and biotechnology companies;  Okay makes sense

Human services operations, including those that provide services for the elderly, those with developmental disabilities, foster and adoption children and the homeless; Makes sense sure

Infrastructure operations, including food production, utility operators, construction and internet providers; Makes sense

Government functions, including first responders, emergency management personnel, 911 operators, child protection staff, welfare providers and more; Makes sense

Business operations, including grocery and medicine providers, outdoor recreation; I agree with most of this except for outdoor recreation. Reason being is that we shouldn't be out and about at parks and such and being around people. We should be limiting how much we are around folks

Organizations that provide charitable and social services, including religious and secular non-profit organizations and food banks; Agree with most of this except for religous organizations.  I get we have a 1st amendment but one can practice their religion at home and not at a physical church around other folks and possibly spreading the virus

Media organizations, including newspaper, television, radio and other media services;  Yes very important as to inform folks on the virus

Gas stations and other transportation-related businesses;  Makes sense.  Getting where you need to go and such.

Financial institutions, including banks and credit unions;  Yep makes sense.  Gotta stay stocked up on food and supplies and ya gotta spend money for those things. Yep.

Hardware and supply stores; Yeah.  One could have a house problem in this pandemic and it might affect the quality of life while staying at home.  For example ones toilet might be leaking and it needs to be fixed so these help keep the home as clean as it can be.

Critical trades, including plumbers, electricians, cleaning, sanitation, HVAC and security staff;  Yeah makes sense.  Those are all critical in keeping the home in a good state while being quarantine.

Mail, post, shipping and logistics; Yep

Education institutions, including public and private K-12 schools, universities and research entities;   See if you can use online schooling instead of in person classes.

Laundry services; Yeah makes sense

Restaurants for consumption off-premises;  Yeah gotta eat off site and with delivery

Supplies distributors that enable telework and work from home and those that supply essential businesses; Makes sense. Gotta make sure there is income for the folks stuck at home.

Transportation, including airlines, taxis, and ride-sharing;   This one I feel like it is a case by case basis. For example. Getting back to your home country where  from where there is no pandemic in the area to home to be quarantine. Otherwise no. We don't need you going into a country and bring something into or out of the country which could spread the virus to other countries.  Taxis and ride sharing yeah but you need to take precautions to make sure the ride is sanitized after each ride.

Home-based and care services, including for seniors and those with developmental disabilities; Yep makes sense.

Residential facilities and shelters, including those for children, seniors or at-risk populations; Yep

Professional services, including legal, real estate and accounting services;  Yep

Personal services, including personal hygiene services;  If these include non doctor places like a salon or a place where there is lots of personal contact then no it should be off the list

Day care centers for employees exempted though the order; Yeah I can see pros and cons to this but for the most part I agree.

Manufacturers, distribution and producers of supply chain-critical products; Yep gotta keep things moving for the folks to get supplies and food to places for folks that may need them while being quarantine.

Hotels and motels; Maybe. The virus can spread and a lot of the time the hotels and motels aren't cleaned as well.

And funeral services.  Well yeah folks are going to die during a pandemic.

The order allows individuals and entities to utilize teleworking to complete essential services.
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Re: The COVID-19 Virus is Coming For Us All Thread
« Reply #82 on: March 26, 2020, 03:50:57 PM »
Welp the USA has the most confirmed cases of COVID-19.    82,791.  China has 81,285.  USA has recovered 224 of those 82,791. China has recovered 74,051 of those 81,285 cases.  It is looking like it is going to get worse before it gets better. 

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« Reply #83 on: March 26, 2020, 03:56:31 PM »
Organizations that provide charitable and social services, including religious and secular non-profit organizations and food banks; Agree with most of this except for religious organizations.  I get we have a 1st amendment but one can practice their religion at home and not at a physical church around other folks and possibly spreading the virus

Agree with much of your thoughts above. This one I suspect is for the charitable services parts of the orgs. I know most of the churches in the area have suspended on-site services and other physical events on their campuses, but they are still offering things like food and clothing for the homeless and other similar charity operations, just with more care for cleanliness and physical contact.
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« Reply #84 on: March 26, 2020, 04:23:14 PM »
Welp the USA has the most confirmed cases of COVID-19.    82,791.  China has 81,285.  USA has recovered 224 of those 82,791. China has recovered 74,051 of those 81,285 cases.  It is looking like it is going to get worse before it gets better. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-news-latest-2020-03-26/



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« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2020, 04:31:22 PM »
Funeral services is an interesting one.  People have and will continue to die and obviously not just from COVID-19.  But a funeral is going to gather a large group of people from multiple areas which is exactly what we don't want to be doing right now.  Obviously a body has to be cremated or buried relatively soon after death but I think you take care of that and then hold off on a memorial service until after things have settled down.  I know that could be hard to hear for a grieving person but if this hits hard then a lot of us will be in the same boat and having large funerals will risk more deaths.

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« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2020, 04:33:55 PM »
Funerals are one of the gatherings banned in our state, so they may just be there to hold the bodies until people are able to schedule the service at a later time. Might actually alter that industry as well if people realize they don't have to spend an arm and a leg to give grandma a proper send off to the afterlife.
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« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2020, 04:41:21 PM »
Funeral services is an interesting one.  People have and will continue to die and obviously not just from COVID-19.  But a funeral is going to gather a large group of people from multiple areas which is exactly what we don't want to be doing right now.  Obviously a body has to be cremated or buried relatively soon after death but I think you take care of that and then hold off on a memorial service until after things have settled down.  I know that could be hard to hear for a grieving person but if this hits hard then a lot of us will be in the same boat and having large funerals will risk more deaths.

You know I actually didn't consider that aspect.   I guess there is a few things that can be done to mitigate that aspect.  Have a limited group of people at the service at a time and then have the next group of people come in and so on.  Have a limited in person service. Like the Preacher/ service person do the sermon with the coffin/creamated body and have the guests be online and seeing it from the safety of their homes while the service person does the sermon. 
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« Reply #88 on: March 26, 2020, 05:03:19 PM »
Any thoughts from my US friends about Trump feeling it might be good to deploy the military to the northern border? Seems ready-made for jokes about "flee while you still can, soon Trump will have you hemmed in"... but I'm worried that some people might not find any humor there.

On a more serious note, it left me with mixed feelings. Confused about why the current pandemic would make this useful, until I accept that it's not really about the pandemic at all... at which point I felt kind of sad.


Guessing we are about two weeks away from the COVID-19 boom locally. Fingers crossed that it won't be bad here; we're a small enough place that we probably won't be hit hard, but have limited resources so even a smaller hit can have tough consequences.
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« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2020, 08:52:10 PM »
Welp the USA has the most confirmed cases of COVID-19.    82,791.  China has 81,285.  USA has recovered 224 of those 82,791. China has recovered 74,051 of those 81,285 cases.  It is looking like it is going to get worse before it gets better. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-news-latest-2020-03-26/



I don't know how much I believe this, as Spain stated that 60% if the test they received from China were giving false negatives on first test....

China's numbers may be FUBAR'd/manipulated so they can get back to work.

edit: I was only able to skim bits of the article earlier, but after reading, it's only a certain type of test and mostly coming from one company that were defective 70% of the time at finding positive cases.... which could lead to sending the infected home to spread amongst friends and fam unknowingly.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-spain-says-rapid-tests-sent-from-china-missing-cases-2020-3

so I have to retract previous statements with caution. Hopefully all the other rapid test are proving more accurate.
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« Reply #90 on: March 27, 2020, 04:26:32 AM »
China's numbers are absolutely being covered up. I don't know why anyone believes anything China says at this point, considering they've been lying and covering up this virus since the beginning. When all this is over, I hope the rest of the world re-evaluates their relationship with China as a result.
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« Reply #91 on: March 27, 2020, 08:56:02 AM »
Any thoughts from my US friends about Trump feeling it might be good to deploy the military to the northern border?

The northern border?  Had to confirm that to make sure you didn't mistype.  So the US is worried that infected Canadians might flee our social medical system to use an American one we would have to pay for (travel insurance probably doesn't cover ILLEGAL border crossings)?  Or maybe we'll sneak over to try to shop at the mall that is probably closed in the first place?  If things really got out of hand here then I suppose there might be a rush at the border if Canada was doing a significantly worse job of handling the virus than America but I don't any sign of that.  The only other situation I could see that would cause a surge of Canadians crossing would be if something essential that we import from America was cut off and we had to cross the border to obtain it.  Anyone know of anything like that?  Is this a preemptive move for something that America is going to cut off?  Please tell me we don't get the tests from the States.

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« Reply #92 on: March 27, 2020, 09:18:27 AM »
The US President says a lot of things that don't end up happening.  Especially with regards to the corona virus outbreak, I think we should just dismiss whatever he says.  Listen to the experts.
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« Reply #93 on: March 27, 2020, 09:21:19 AM »
The US President says a lot of things that don't end up happening.  Especially with regards to the corona virus outbreak, I think we should just dismiss whatever he says.  Listen to the experts.
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« Reply #94 on: March 27, 2020, 05:46:13 PM »
People should also stay away from bats. Bats who get infected by people will not practice social distancing.
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« Reply #95 on: March 27, 2020, 07:22:44 PM »
I'm in Florida. Not near where most exposure has been. It should be interesting to watch. The tough thing to bear in mind is that cases tested for today are likely cases where infection occurred about a week or two ago.

In this time, it's gotten considerably warmer and nearly everything is closed. I know it became almost meme-level news, but the beaches that were open were only open initially because those in power didn't think enforcement would be possible.

I'm hoping we see a considerable drop in growth/spread rate of infections down here, but we'll see.

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« Reply #96 on: March 27, 2020, 11:11:38 PM »
It's amazing we've made it this far.... the **** we have to deal with. SMFH

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« Reply #97 on: March 28, 2020, 12:21:52 AM »
When he starts incompetently naming drugs by name

How else are they supposed to talk about it? They also named Remdesivir (that drug invented to fight Ebola), Immune Sera, Convalescent Serum, Monoclonal antibodies, and others. The press conferences are supposed to be status reports and discussing them is relevant.

that are at an early testing phase live on National TV and incorrectly states that it's been approved by the FDA as a "cure" then he does have blame in this.

Where in the transcripts does he say that? I posted each day's conferences and nowhere does he proclaim it a "cure". The closest thing is on the 19th where he said it was approved (for the trails in NY that started on 24th/25th) which didn't get final approval until a few days later.

When those same statements are parroted on Faux News as "truth" and "cure" then the blame does fall on the man some want to call a "leader" to have mislead them into thinking his statements were in any way true.

The only citation I can find for the Fox news repeating "it's a cure" is this:
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But Fox News is already all in. On her show Monday night, Laura Ingraham brought on a man who says his symptoms dissipated after taking the drug. She later spoke to Dr. Meredith Clement, an LSU infectious-disease expert who has incorporated [hydroxychloroquine] in the “algorithm” by which they treat patients, but noted that it was “too soon to tell” whether it’s effective. “We don’t know and we need further data,” Clement said. “We need to collect the clinical data … to see if we’re going to see much of a benefit.”
The article is set up to frame it like Fox news is saying "it's a cure" but if you look at the actual words quoted they aren't. They're just messaging it as promising.

He's told so many lies up to this point, I'm not sure why anyone listens to anything he says... but that's just me.

Honestly, I can say the same exactly thing about all media. They've told so many lies and half truths up to this point, I don't trust anything they say and instead go immediately to the source material. Over half of the time it's false or very distorted. Be it about the president, Sanders, Tulsi, Obama, the Pope, Syria, China, Corona Beer, etc... They're no better than tabloids at this point and lie about everyone on all sides. '00 meme of Faux news just became the new normal for all news outlets since around 2013. Not defending fox but annoyed at all of them.

I wouldn't care about the media being contrarians on political stuff since that's always happened on some level for centuries but this time they're literally going to cause people to die. Michigan and Nevada governors have banned hydroxychloroquine because these dumb hit pieces claiming them as "unscientific" and "false hope cures" to make him look bad. And when they do approve hydroxychloroquine, there's definitely going to be stories of people refusing to take it because they heard it doesn't work and will kill them just like anti-vax'ers.

The US President says a lot of things that don't end up happening.  Especially with regards to the corona virus outbreak, I think we should just dismiss whatever he says.  Listen to the experts.

Maybe his tweets but the press conferences that are being attacked as disinformation are made up of the experts (and CEO's for whatever reason) reporting on the Coronavirus with introductions/remarks from the VP or President. What's said in them aren't much different than the daily NJ, NY, and PA governor press conferences I've also been watching. (Yeah, I'm consuming way too much content about this. I'll stop eventually.) There's no reason not to listen to them. If he says something wrong, he'll be corrected by Dr. Tony Fauci a few minutes later.
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« Reply #98 on: March 28, 2020, 12:37:21 AM »
It's amazing we've made it this far.... the **** we have to deal with. SMFH

Ignoring everything political about that article or basically the whole article, I'm actually glad GM is being bullied. They never got criminally punished for the ignition switch scandal and their downright evil actions around it so being bossed around by the defense production act is good karmic payback.
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« Reply #99 on: March 28, 2020, 06:52:35 AM »
It's amazing we've made it this far.... the **** we have to deal with. SMFH

Ignoring everything political about that article or basically the whole article, I'm actually glad GM is being bullied. They never got criminally punished for the ignition switch scandal and their downright evil actions around it so being bossed around by the defense production act is good karmic payback.

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