Topic: Nintendo gets the Shaft again!

[Perfect Cell]

Rockstar just announced bundle versions of GTA3/Vice City for the X-Box  and PS2.... yet no GCN version. A damn shame.....  

[rpglover]

ehh...it doesnt bother me anyway- you could also just get those games on the pc if you really had to

[Perfect Cell]

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First Rockstar cancells Mafia for the GC and now simply skips us on GTA.... Could i get it on the PC? yeah, i could get it on the PS2 and now X-box as well. Thats not my point. My point is, These 2 games, alongisde Mafia could have done WONDERS for that certain "image" problem that Nintendo has. But Nintendo misses the ball entirely....  

[Michael8983]

"These 2 games, alongisde Mafia could have done WONDERS for that certain "image" problem that Nintendo has."

If they were exclusive, MAYBE they would have some effect on Nintendo's image "problem" but as multi-platform titles, they wouldn't do anything. Games that are actually exclusive like Twin Snakes, RE4, and Killer 7 will do a lot more in helping Nintendo expand its appeal.

This really isn't a big deal IMO. Just about everyone already owns the GTA games. This will really only benefit the tiny percentage of gamers who ONLY own an XBox and the only people getting the shaft are the even smaller percentage of people who ONLY own a Gamecube and actually give a damn about the game.    

[Cap]

even if you dont want the games personaly, the games managed to sell what, 8 million copies being exclusive on the ps2? a mature game with that kind of popularity would make the gc that much more attractive to the casual gamers who have heard so much about it. i have to agree with perfect cell that nintendo is missing out, and that they should be trying to bring these games to gc.

[Michael8983]

It's actually probably for the best that they're not coming to the Gamecube. Since they're just multiplatform ports, they'd almost certainly sell poorly on the Gamecube and do more to convince people that "M" rated games can't sell on the console. At least exclusive games like MGS:TS and RE4 will likely join REmake/REO and sell well and serve as further proof that "M" rated games CAN sell on the console.
Some developers have already taken note of the surprisingly strong sales of the RE games on the Gamecube and it will be really difficult to ignore it if MGS:TS does well this Fall.

[rpglover]

"First Rockstar cancells Mafia for the GC and now simply skips us on GTA"

rockstar did not make mafia- it was developed by illusion softworks and published by gathering
i own mafia on my computer and i must say that it (this is my opinion) is miles better than gta- the missions in the game are more fun and the game has a very good story line with it- for those who have played it, some may agree but the fact that the gc is missing out on mafia is very dissapointing- it was a great game

[ThePerm]

Yesterday i heard two Hastings employees all angry because MGS: TS was exclusive for gamecube. They were all angry it seems. One of them was like "you know splinter cell was supposed to be exclusive for xbox maybe that'll be the situation"
of course we all know Twin Snakes aint going no where but here becuse of course its being devloped by Silicon Knights which is Im pretty sure 100% owned by Nintendo even though there hasn't been any discussion towards who is really king of the knights. I mean when Denis uses words like permanant and like talks about Nintendo like its his brother......

But yeah its these stupid people running video stores that screw up my renting ability.

[Ian Sane]

Well realistically at this point Xbox ports of the GTA games isn't really going to do much.  Not many people will buy Xbox for these games for instance.  It's more likely they'll just sell among the existing Xbox userbase that doesn't own a PS2 or a decent PC.

What bugs me is that this is another situation where a third party has released a game on every console but Gamecube.  This should RARELY happen.  If Nintendo was truly serious about attracting third parties then they would be making deals with third parties to ensure that this sort of thing doesn't happen.  Nintendo should have been bending over backwards to make sure this game was also released on Gamecube.  True a port isn't really going to help sales but the lack of a key game that the other consoles have is going to hurt sales.  This is like an anti-killer app for Nintendo.  It gives people another reason to NOT buy Gamecube.

[Pale]

I for one know this is gonna crap up Nintendo's reputation again, but part of me can't help but be happy.  I hate those games and i like the fact that they may not be seen on Nintendo's machine.  They really don't do much for the reputation of gamers and all together kind of suck.  So, yeah, i don't care that its not on the Gamecube, and I won't care until I actually feel like I have to worry about Nintendo going under...  

[Perfect Cell]

Regardless of your opinion of the GTA Franchise. The facts are these. Nintendo has an "image" problem. You solve your image problem by actually having the titles that the majority of gamers want nowadays. Casual gamers eat this stuff up, and it could have helped Nintendo. Instead, Nintendo is sitting on the corner twirling their thumbs, hoping that casual gamers suddenly "wise up". They wont folks....

I encourage you folks to email Rockstar games and Nintendo and  ask that they reconsider this....

[Michael8983]

"True a port isn't really going to help sales but the lack of a key game that the other consoles have is going to hurt sales. This is like an anti-killer app for Nintendo. It gives people another reason to NOT buy Gamecube."

I disagree. Most gamers aren't going to even notice the game isn't on the Gamecube just like they wouldn't notice if it WAS on the Gamecube. Basically, I don't think it will have any effect on Gamecube sales at all.

[The Omen]

It will add this rep. NIN has attained in not wanting mature games.  But i also think it wouldn't sell to well, and Rockstar will say 'see, thats why we don't release games on the GC'.  It would be another excuse.  Of course the real reason being everyone who wants it has it already, but thats another story.


I wonder what it would cost to get the next GTA exclusive, or at least time-exclusive? IMO, if that were a launch title for the N5, that would instantly sell people , casual gamers, that is.  Spend those shells, NIN!  

[PIAC]

:\ well i allready have Vice City for my pc, i think its great in a crappy B Grade movie kind of way, and i 99% of the time buy PC versions of games over consoles (i own my nintendo to play nintendo games) but the point is this SHOULD be on the cube, there is no real excuse why not, it would still sell, its GTA 3 for the sake of yoshi. who in this day and age thats a gamer hasn't heard of  or played it? a very small few i can say that, ohwell, perhaps next generation :\ Mario 256 and GTA 4 as launch titles would basically force N5's into everyones house.

ohwell

*chases after a possum thats up stairs*

[WesDawg]

even if we had gotten a port, people would be complaining that all we get is ports. Its the life of nintendo fans.

[Perfect Cell]

If a Nintendo console isnt getting a port of GTA 3/Vice City... then Hell will freeze over before we get GTA 4, or 5 or whatever...

[mouse_clicker]

I can see we've already taken to the difficult task of rationalizing the Gamecube not getting GTA3/Vice City by bashing them relentlessly. Good move.

I really don't see why they don't do it- the ports have got to be extremely cheap anyway, so they're almost assure to make money. I already own both games for my PS2, but it would still be nice to see Rockstar get their head out of their ass and realize their "demographics" are from the 70's.

[mjbd]

I think people worry about the image thing a bit to much.  I would say that nintendo has done a pretty good job of ditching the whole "nintendo is for little kids" title.  We really have Capcom to thank for that, the Resident Evil remake has sold over a million copies now, and so has Resident Evil 0.  Electronic Gaming Monthly pointed that out in a recent copy of there magazine.  Nintendo is not going for the appeal that Sony and X-box are, nintendo wants to appeal to a very wide audience, which may not get them as much of the market as Sony has, but a very solid chunk.  Cube is on track to sell 35-40 million units before it 5 years are up, and no developer can honestly say that thats not a huge installed user base.  In the end, what have we really missed?  Look how much crap comes out on systems these days, Sony just gets more of it.  If you do an exclusive showdown between all three systems, it should be obvious that you made the right decision to buy a Cube.  If not, maybe you need to look at getting another system.....

[PIAC]

you need only to look at multiconsole/ps2/xbawx forums to realise nintendo definatly has not lost its image problem,  but then who cares what idiots on forums think? aslong as other developers put 'mature' titles on cube thats all i care.. wait.. i mostly play 'ghey kiddy games' ohwell

[Michael8983]

"If a Nintendo console isnt getting a port of GTA 3/Vice City... then Hell will freeze over before we get GTA 4, or 5 or whatever..."

Maybe or maybe not. Just look at what happened to MGS.
When Konami decided to make MGS2:S a temporary XBox exclusive and eventually bring it to all platform except the Gamecube, people just assumed the console would NEVER get an MGS deal but now it's getting an exclusive remake of the original. In the end, we got the better deal by far. Best of all, if MGS:TS sells well, more MGS games are almost certain to follow.
Honestly, I think Nintendo could get GTA on the Gamecube if it wanted. I'm not saying it could get GTA4/5 exclusive or anything like that but I'm certain it could get the GTA3/VC port and probably even an exclusive version of GTA.
But I think Nintendo just doesn't want it. It wants "mature" titles but in various interviews and press conferences people at Nintendo have suggested that they feel the game is a little too trashy for their taste.
Titles like RE and MGS are the kind of "mature" titles that belong on the Gamecube IMO. GTA is a different story.  

[oohhboy]

All this reminds me of that Sprite ad. "Dinking sprite will not make you more popular, run faster or get you more girls. But it will quench your thrist. Image is nothing, obey your thrist"

Just replace sprite will Nintendo and games and you have it made.

[egman]

I totally agree with Perfect cell. It doesn't matter what opinion that the majority of Nintendo's userbase has of GTA or R*. The fact that the GameCube is the only system lacking their support helps to draw an even bleaker picture of Nintendo's situtation in the west.  

In Japan NCL is busting their asses for exclusives by getting the Capcom 5, a Square title, a Konami title, and several titles from Namco that almost included Soul Calibur 2. The problem I'm seeing now is that this is not extending to the west. There are some deals with EA and we also have Factor 5, which looks realitively week to Sony and Microsoft.

I don't know what exactly is going on though. Maybe Nintendo is xenophobic, or doesn't have a high opinion of western developers. Maybe western developers no longer have a high opinion of Nintendo. Whatever it is, they need to get over the hump. This isn't 1993 anymore. Japanese companies used to dominte the whole scene, but the industry is now being split with western gamers going for more western styled games while Japan sticks closely to its tastes. Nintendo is seemingly treating everyone  as the same market while in reality they are being further alienated from Europe and North America by not appealing to the paticular tastes of casual gamers in these places.  

[Michael8983]

"Japanese companies used to dominte the whole scene, but the industry is now being split with western gamers going for more western styled games while Japan sticks closely to its tastes. Nintendo is seemingly treating everyone as the same market while in reality they are being further alienated from Europe and North America by not appealing to the paticular tastes of casual gamers in these places."

Japanese developers may no longer completely rule the industry but they still play a crucial role in a console's success in the US. There are still plenty of Japanese developers that make games with STRONG appeal in the US including Sega, Capcom, Konami, Namco, and Square. It doesn't really work the other way around though. American developers aren't even remotely important when it comes to success in the Japanese market. So it's certainly understandable that Nintendo would want to MOSTLY concentrate on winning over the Japanese developers.

 

[the_zombie_luke]

I don't know why all of you think Nintendo can change its image magically with Grand Theft Auto. If Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness,and Metroid Prime will not challenge what people think of Nintendo how will GTA change their image? Everyone keeps saying how Nintendo is kiddy. There are over 100 T and M-rated games like Splinter Cell and Mortal Kombat on GameCube.

I'm sure there are hardcore Nintendo fans here who want to play the game on GameCube. I wanted Vice City on GameCube, until I bought it for PC and was dissapointed in it. I don't ever want to see GTA on GameCube. I am really wondering why so many GameCube fans look longingly at games on other platforms and ignore absolute gems and legimately good games on GameCube.  Make no mistake about it: Eternal Darkness is most likely the best M-rated game of this generation. Metroid Prime is also one of the best teen games. Right now there is only one game I want the most on PS2. It's not GTA, it's Castlevania. I know there's little chance that Konami will port it over to GameCube. I will have to buy a PS2 most likely. The same was also true for Symphony of the Night on Playstation. There's no point in waiting for a game to come to GameCube. Instead, enjoy what you can play and buy the game you can't play now somewhere down the line.  Besides, after you play Viewtiful Joe, Rebel Strike, and Twin Snakes you may not look back.

[mouse_clicker]

zombie: Nobody said it would change Nintendo's image overnight, but you can't deny that having Grand Theft Auto on the Gamecube would be a major step in the right direction. Further more, it would even the playing field. GTA was a huge system seller for the PS2, and now that the Gamecube is the only console without GTA, you're gonig to start seeing the repurcussions of the game. This has nothing to do with how much you like the game- I don't care if you would rather have played what a yak just crapped up, GTA sells more than any game out right now and having THAT on the Gamecube is a huge leap in the right direction.