Author Topic: Another new gameboy in the near future (Read 7459 times)

Pikkcuber · « **on:** August 06, 2003, 10:24:49 AM »

In a recent EGM article it said that nintendo isnt going to let sony take the handheld market away from them like they did the console market. And they said that we might see a new version of the GBA. We just got the SP and thats selling like hot cakes so what should nintnedo do. I say speed of work on there next gameboy and make it run on little dvd's. If they dont they could lose the handheld market and thus eventually be pushed out of business.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #1 on:** August 07, 2003, 10:30:03 AM »

I honestly have never liked the idea of using disks with a handheld. For one thing it's going to have moving parts so it's going to soak up batteries. You also have the fact that neither the handheld nor the disks will be as durable as a cartridge based system.You will also probably have to deal with load times and of course the need for some kind of memory card to save your game. I'd rather see them use some kind of memory stick or something.

Most people seem to want the next Game Boy to use some form of disk just for the cool factor and little else.

Cap · « **Reply #2 on:** August 07, 2003, 10:54:06 AM »

nintendo should go to a disc format for the next gameboy, and thats the 3" disc the gc plays. it seems to me nintendos best option is to make a portable gc to compete with the psp.

discs offer alot more then just being "cool" for me, the biggest being the amount of space available and cheaper development costs. i'm tired of paying the same price for gb games as i am gc games. i do like cartridges for their lack of load time, but the gc is pretty quick. i think that nintendo has planned all along to use the gc disc format for the next gb, but i guess we'll have to wait and see. the worst thing nintendo could do is use cartridges again for the next gb in my opinion.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2003, 01:19:38 PM »

I would rather another cartridge based system. Only for backwards-compatibility. And apparently Iwata agrees:

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Optical discs are generally considered to be the dominant media over mask ROMs, but this is not the case in every situation. I don't think devoting ourselves entirely to discs is the best answer, but if we can solve problems like size, weight, and power usage even with optical discs, then Nintendo is not against utilizing discs in its portable games in the future.

Berny · « **Reply #4 on:** August 08, 2003, 04:25:28 AM »

I hope it doesn't come out too soon. I still haven't gotten an SP and I fully intend on doing so. I just don't want it to be out dated by the time I buy it. Cause then I'll have to spend ANOTHER $100 on the new GB. Then again, that could mean price drop on the SP... Nah. Just wishful thinking.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #5 on:** August 08, 2003, 04:50:44 AM »

I very much want to see another cartridge based system. I do not want to see fragile discs on a portable.

PIAC · « **Reply #6 on:** August 08, 2003, 05:02:05 AM »

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Originally posted by: Cap
nintendo should go to a disc format for the next gameboy, and thats the 3" disc the gc plays. it seems to me nintendos best option is to make a portable gc to compete with the psp.

discs offer alot more then just being "cool" for me, the biggest being the amount of space available and cheaper development costs. i'm tired of paying the same price for gb games as i am gc games. i do like cartridges for their lack of load time, but the gc is pretty quick. i think that nintendo has planned all along to use the gc disc format for the next gb, but i guess we'll have to wait and see. the worst thing nintendo could do is use cartridges again for the next gb in my opinion.

that makes about as much sence as my toenail, when has nintendo planned all along to use the gcn disc for gbX? the GCN disc hangs over all edges of the current SP by a few milimeters, so incorperating those perticular discs into the GBX would make it quite a bit larger than the SP, and i think the SP is the perfect size for a hand held.

if nintendo can somehow tool up a disc that wont damage, and doesn't burn up the batteries or make the size of the GBX too big then ill go for it, untill then i would prefer the cart based games

Cap · « **Reply #7 on:** August 08, 2003, 06:04:39 AM »

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Originally posted by: Cap
nintendo should go to a disc format for the next gameboy, and thats the 3" disc the gc plays. it seems to me nintendos best option is to make a portable gc to compete with the psp.

discs offer alot more then just being "cool" for me, the biggest being the amount of space available and cheaper development costs. i'm tired of paying the same price for gb games as i am gc games. i do like cartridges for their lack of load time, but the gc is pretty quick. i think that nintendo has planned all along to use the gc disc format for the next gb, but i guess we'll have to wait and see. the worst thing nintendo could do is use cartridges again for the next gb in my opinion.

that makes about as much sence as my toenail, when has nintendo planned all along to use the gcn disc for gbX? the GCN disc hangs over all edges of the current SP by a few milimeters, so incorperating those perticular discs into the GBX would make it quite a bit larger than the SP, and i think the SP is the perfect size for a hand held.

if nintendo can somehow tool up a disc that wont damage, and doesn't burn up the batteries or make the size of the GBX too big then ill go for it, untill then i would prefer the cart based games

i didnt say they were planning all along to use the gc discs, i said I think they were. there is a difference and it makes alot more sense then your toenail as well. they would have superior hardware, and over 200 games to launch the system with. i'd be all for another cartridge based system(i despise loading times) if they could find a way to get more storage capacity AND lower the price of games, but it isnt going to happen. if sony comes in with better hardware, and cheaper games nintendo's dominance on the handheld market is finished. would it have to be bigger then the sp? sure but it would be well worth it in my opinion.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #8 on:** August 08, 2003, 06:31:40 AM »

I dunno...PIAC's toenail makes alot of sense...

Me want cartriges. But I have a feeling Nintendo will go with disks just because they know they will need to compete. They don't want another N64 if you know what i mean. I'm usually wrong when predicting the future though...

Cap · « **Reply #9 on:** August 08, 2003, 10:17:16 AM »

i agree that cartridges are great, and would be more viable for a portable system IF the cost and storage capacity were anywhere near that of the cd/dvd format. i know that nintendo has invested heavily in new cartridge technology(at least i think i remember reading that), but how far can it really go?

the n64 is pretty much what i see happening to the gb if nintendo stays with cartridges. nintendo basically lost the home console market becouse of cartridges, and the same could very easily happen to the gb. cartridges just arent very attractive to third party developers, and as the gc proves nintendos own games can only take the system so far.

AdvancedGamer · « **Reply #10 on:** August 08, 2003, 12:36:41 PM »

Go with the mini-discs don't trip up N

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #11 on:** August 08, 2003, 05:49:44 PM »

I honestly can not see Nintendo wanting to go with dvds or any other type of disk for the next Game Boy. For one thing since it will have moving parts it's going to soak up more batteries like I said in my first post. Nintendo has been extremely stubborn about keeping the Game Boy's energy consumption to a minimum. That's why the GBA didn't have a front or back light in the first place.

Also it would probably raise the price of the system and Nintendo has said that they feel that the best price point for a hand held is $100 or below and I would say that consumers agree with this too. This is another reason why the GBA didn't have any lighting.

There's also the durability factor. The GBA can take a serious beating and keep on playing but I seriously doubt it would be as tough with the fairly sensitive stuff you would need in it to play disks.

Again I will say that if anything some type of memory stick would be best. There's a quite a few memories sticks coming out that can practically do anything a disk can do (when you are looking for a hand held media anyway) and without a lot of the draw backs. Not to mention there's a lot of people that are saying that cartridges in one form or another will probably replace disks in the video game world within the next couple of generations anyway.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 09, 2003, 06:31:07 AM »

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Not to mention there's a lot of people that are saying that cartridges in one form or another will probably replace disks in the video game world within the next couple of generations anyway.

Where did you hear this? And with the dual-layered DVD's used in today's consoles, there's hardly a chance they will go back.

Also did anyone Iwata's statement I posted earlier regarding discs? I think it's pretty clear that he prefers cartridges to discs for portable gaming.

Cap · « **Reply #13 on:** August 09, 2003, 11:25:31 AM »

nintendo also prefered cartridges for the home market. only when they lost it becouse of them did they decide to change. i hope they wont let the same happen to the portable market. but maybe they are starting to smarten up a bit with this piece of news i saw over at n-philes.com:

"According to some web reports, Iwata will look at optical disc media for the Game Boy Advance successor. "

obviously the validility of the statement is in question(according to SOME web reports), but i can only hope that this is indeed true and that nintendo is realizing the steps they are going to have to take to maintain their hold on the portable market.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 09, 2003, 09:53:35 PM »

Let me explain one more time. Iwata said the following: "Optical discs are generally considered to be the dominant media over mask ROMs, but this is not the case in every situation. I don't think devoting ourselves entirely to discs is the best answer, but if we can solve problems like size, weight, and power usage even with optical discs, then Nintendo is not against utilizing discs in its portable games in the future."

Pikkcuber · « **Reply #15 on:** August 10, 2003, 10:27:27 AM »

YOu idiots its been said before if Nintendo goes to the cartridriges again sony will kill them because disks have better graphics and nintendo might have to drop out of the console race because theres no portable gaming machine to give nintendo money

kennyb27 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 10, 2003, 02:49:51 PM »

Pikkcuber, that was a really illogical statement. "disks have better graphics"? Mind explaining that one to me? And I hate to break the news to you, but Nintendo makes money on the GameCube so why would they need GB to "give" Nintendo money? Please be logical next time.

Cap · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2003, 04:05:17 PM »

kennyb, i know that nintendo thinks that cartridges are best for the portable market. my main problem is that they once thought the very same about the home console market. theres just too many similarities waiting to happen, and nintendo HAS to follow the direction the entire industry is heading if they want to survive in my opinion(the statment you have posted twice basically say the same as the blurb from the n-philes article i posted, so it still gives me hope that nintendo is realizing what they need to do). you mentioned backwards compatability in your first post. would backward compatability with the gc not be worth the trade off of being able to play old gba games? i'm not sure if you understand, but i want nintendo to make a portable gc. not new gb hardware utilizing the gc disc format, but an actual gb that plays existing gc games. even if they dont do that though, i honestly do believe that they have to use some sort of disc format for the next gb or they will have a tough time competing with the psp.

and pikkcuber, why did you start this thread? so you could call the people who disagree with you idiots? the only idiot i see is people like you who cant seem to respect other peoples opinions.

bigngamer · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2003, 08:50:14 PM »

I believe a Gamecube handheld is definitely not part of Nintendo's plans for now... It would be just too expensive and Nintendo never releases a very expensive console...

If PSP really comes with all the technology announced it's not coming with the price range of a GBA... A PDA with such technology costs at least $400. Surely, this technology is going to be cheaper one year from now when PSP is going to be released, but, anyway, it's not gonna be cheap.

I'm afraid Nintendo is not bringing many improvements to the next Gameboy for such reason$. I'd love to have a gameboy with a new form of media, better screen, stronger processing and more buttons, but I don't know if it's going to come true...

If Nintendo gets rid of the optical discs issues (batteries, loading times and durability) I guess the best media would be a case-protected optical disc (like PSP). Memory sticks would also be nice, but they're still too slow for such applications and very expensive for now.

The main issue about changing media is the loss of backward-compatibility (and I'm almost sure Nintendo won't let it happen). Unfortunately, I agree that it's gonna be tough for the Gameboy to face PSP without some technological evolutions... Let's hope Nintendo hears us all!!!

kennyb27 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 11, 2003, 01:13:57 PM »

The technology in the GCN would be too expensive to "compress" into a portable system now. Nintendo would have to worry not only about battery life but also things such as proper cooling for the processor. Not to say it wouldn't be cool though...

Cap · « **Reply #20 on:** August 12, 2003, 10:40:27 AM »

i dont know, as i look at the gc i think it could be done quite easily. lose the 4 controller ports, the 3 serial ports, 2 memory card slots, 2 fans and the audio/video outputs and the system gets a whole lot smaller. the system would be bigger then the gba:sp, but that really wouldnt bother me much and the screen would probably have to be bigger anyways. it would most likely be expensive enough that nintendo would have to take a hit on the hardware but i would think the next gb is at the very least a year away, so that gives time for the gc parts & components to come down in price(and time to solve the battery and cooling issues). i know i'm probably dreaming, but nintendo would have the best handheld by far if they did do it.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 12, 2003, 03:03:27 PM »

But, Cap, they can't drop the fans. That wouldn't help at all.

Cap · « **Reply #22 on:** August 12, 2003, 03:49:09 PM »

they would have to find a way to cool the system, but it wouldnt require two fans anywhere near the size of the gc's. i would think they would be able to find a way to cool the system without fans at all though.

PIAC · « **Reply #23 on:** August 12, 2003, 10:53:51 PM »

it would still be very bulky, it needs cooling, lest it damage its self.

GoldShadow1 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 15, 2003, 09:51:28 PM »

I think the next system should definitely go with mini-DVD's. GameBoy has fallen far too behind the console systems (Anyone remember when GameBoy was just slightly behind NES, except without color?). Sure, it has some problems, but companies like Sony have been making portable CD players for years. If Nintendo wants to keep the handheld market, they can't wait for someone else to make the switch.

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Author Topic: Another new gameboy in the near future (Read 7459 times)