Author Topic: Why All The "Perfect 10's" These Days (Read 11947 times)

Walking In Shadow · « **on:** August 01, 2003, 11:17:44 AM »

Okay, I was surfing websites and came across an import review of Soul Calibur II on Nintendojo. Is it just me, or are review like this one coming up everywhere these days? I understand the game is real good, and that the author is hard pressed to find a flaw in it, but a 10? Ah well, I guess it's really a subjective matter anyway. What do you guys think?
The article can be read here -- www.nintendojo.com

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2003, 11:26:27 AM »

well its Nintendojo .. I gave up reading that site long ago (they had a thing about nintendo's online strategy that was completely bunk)

stick with PGC, IGN, maybe Gamespot

i hate G4 TV's "Judgement Day" show, its too focused on graphics

Walking In Shadow · « **Reply #2 on:** August 01, 2003, 11:33:22 AM »

Well, that doesn't really answer my question. Besides, I've been liking ND's news. They have alot of stories and whatnot each day, great coverage. And it's not like I think the review is bad either, but the score just seems a little high. I've seen some seemingly inflated scores elsewhere as well. Is Soul Calibur II that good?

Ian Sane · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2003, 12:11:19 PM »

Whenever people complain about games getting a perfect 10 score they're often thinking that a ten means a perfect game. That's not always the case. Depending on the reviewer a 10 could simply mean that this game is worthy of the highest score available. It's like if a movie gets ***** does it mean it's perfect? No, it simply means it's a really good movie.

And from what I've played of it so far I think it's pretty safe to say Soul Calibur II really IS that good.

>X< Kitten >X< · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2003, 12:15:01 PM »

I don't think you can focus on just ONE review. I've seen games where some people gave it a 9/10 score, while others gave it a 3/10 score. You gotta look around and make an average out of everything you find. I personally don't rely that much on reviews. If it looks like a good game, I rent it

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #5 on:** August 01, 2003, 12:15:30 PM »

Ian hit the nail on the head right there.

10, in MANY outlets, is like saying "best thus far" or "leader of the pack".

DRJ · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2003, 01:17:44 PM »

DEfinately checkout several reviews, as one review may just be way of base. When I see a 10 I dont think perfect, but I do think "must own" just like moves, if a movie get all top reviews I will see it even if I have doubts.

I personnaly like IGN reviews. They seem to be pretty much on my same wavelength when it comes to judging games.

Shorty McNostril · « **Reply #7 on:** August 01, 2003, 02:12:47 PM »

Would anyone have an example of a "perfect game"?

Gup · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2003, 02:15:49 PM »

The review score depends on the reviewer. I'd never give a racing game something over 80%, with exceptions to Diddy Kong Racing, because I'm not a racing fan.

Edit: to Shorty McNostral, if you check at GameRankings.com(they average all of American and European scores), you'll see that Zelda: OoT is the highest rated game so far which is I think an average of 98.2%.

joeamis · « **Reply #9 on:** August 01, 2003, 02:35:18 PM »

giving all racing games no more than 80% because you're not a racing game fan is shallow man...
how would you feel if someone said that about your favorite genre of games?

Soul Calibur 2 is probably that good to receive a 10 from some reviewers.
Soul Calibur 1 on dreamcast is regarded as in the top 3 fighting games of all time on consoles, and it was a launch title at that. I'm not a big fighting game fan, but having played the games in the arcade they're top notch. It's funny how Namco's first original fighting game with weapons did not do well, we all remember Weaponlord on Snes right, hehe?

10 does not indicate perfect though, no game can be perfect to the masses, only individuals. (think about it)

Ian Sane · « **Reply #10 on:** August 01, 2003, 02:45:19 PM »

"giving all racing games no more than 80% because you're not a racing game fan is shallow man...
how would you feel if someone said that about your favorite genre of games?"

Agreed. If you have a bias for or against a certain genre then you aren't really qualified to review that game, unless you make clear that you're reviewing completely from the perspective of someone who doesn't like/really likes that genre. But even then you shouldn't be providing the lone review for a multigenre videogame site. Something like PGC would be okay because one game can have several reviews but that sort of review would be unacceptable on a "one review" site like IGN or Gamespot (eventhough you sometimes see them).

Gup · « **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2003, 03:14:41 PM »

Okay, I'll take my first post back and redo it here

The review score depends on the genre. Everybody has his/her own taste in videogames. But most reviewers review and compare a game to their respective genres and not personal opinions like "I'd never give a racing game something over 80%."

P.S. I'm no reviewer, just saying what I feel like saying. I didn't think everybody here were professionals and being scouted by editors!

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2003, 07:13:56 PM »

"Would anyone have an example of a "perfect game"? "

Exactly- that's one reason my favorite videogame reviews come from Game-Revolution. They use a letter grade system and have stated many times that they will never give out an A+ (perfect score) because they feel no game will ever be perfect. The highest score they'll give is an A and very few games even get that.

Mario · « **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2003, 07:35:53 PM »

One thing that annoys me about reviews is ports, or remakes. Ocarina of Time on N64 got a 10 out of 10 pretty much anywhere, but the OOT bonus disk only got 9's. I dont get that. The bonus disk is clearly better, it is OOT, but with more stuff. And Sonic Mega Collection as well. Ive seen reviews for Sonic 2 back in the days and it got really high scores, but now it comes out again with a better controller and about 10 more games packed in with it, and it gets a "7" or something.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2003, 08:01:25 PM »

I think they were mainly reviewing the port, which is good on some levels and bad on others. It's good in that a lot of people getting the bonus disc have already played OoT many times on the N64 and want to know how it's been improved for the Gamecube. It's bad, though, because a lot of people *haven't* played OoT and are expecting a review of the game itself rather than how it was ported.

I also like IGN's rating scale- their 10 out of 10 does not mean the game is perfect, it means the game is the pinnacle of development in that genre and represents, so far, the best efforts. Gamespot's 10 out of 10, however, DOES mean a perfect game, and they've given it out several times, I believe.

PIAC · « **Reply #15 on:** August 01, 2003, 08:03:05 PM »

it depends on the time its reveiwed in ive found, right now there are better games than OoT, but in 1998 there wern't. the better the quality of games around = the lower scores will be on average because there are more things to measure them againsed.

HiTmaN · « **Reply #16 on:** August 01, 2003, 08:08:10 PM »

" Would anyone have an example of a "perfect game"?"

uhh ya SHAQFU!!

PIAC · « **Reply #17 on:** August 01, 2003, 08:34:01 PM »

i own shaq fu

i might even take it out of my vault of unmentionable horrors to attempt to play it one day too... or not

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #18 on:** August 01, 2003, 08:51:19 PM »

I disagree- in my opinion I have yet to play a game that is better than Ocarina of Time and doubt I will for a very long time.

Mario · « **Reply #19 on:** August 01, 2003, 08:57:38 PM »

I thought Majoras Mask was better than Ocarina of Time.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #20 on:** August 01, 2003, 09:00:31 PM »

I thought Majora's Mask was very comparable to Ocarina of Time (it's my second favorite game), but I thought OoT felt more epic than MM and I liked it's dungeons just a little bit better. The time limit in MM also became a little annoying after a while, too.

Mario · « **Reply #21 on:** August 01, 2003, 09:12:24 PM »

Ocarina of Time just seemed very.... dull, and boring to me, compared to Majoras Mask. Ive still only finished it once, ive finished Majoras Mask about 20 times. I loved the 3 day time limit too, i thought it was very innovative and worked well. I thought Majoras Mask was more epic too, the skull kid was a very deep character, with many mysteries (hoping to be cleared up in the next zelda

). It would be great if the Skull kid made an appearance in the next Zelda game i think. And also, Majoras Mask had far better music than Ocarina of Time.

joeamis · « **Reply #22 on:** August 01, 2003, 09:14:11 PM »

not only do recent ports of games get lower reviews because there is more competition now,
but also they lower the score of ports because they're many years old.
no 1-5 year old port will ever as high as it did when it originally came out unless there are substantial additions.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #23 on:** August 01, 2003, 09:16:18 PM »

I'm just the opposite- I've played through OoT more times than I can count and MM only once (although i'm in my second). I think MM has the better story, but I think OoT just comes together a little better, and gives me this tremendous feeling of acomplishment when I've beaten it. I guess we're all different, though.

PIAC · « **Reply #24 on:** August 01, 2003, 09:43:12 PM »

yeah, i absolutely agree 900% mouse_clicker about the 2 n64 zeldas, infact i dont think i could have worded them better than you, dont listen to mario, hes an OoT hater

perhaps OoT was a bad example to use, but i feel my point still stands, the stiffer the competition the lower the scores are by average, the n64 days had big titles few and far between compared to these days.

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