Topic: Pokemon Sun and Moon FULL GAME DATAMINE THREAD (Nov. 8th) (HEAVY spoilers)

[ClexYoshi]

EDIT!: the info that will be coming out from this point forward is at http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sun-and-moon-mine-resource-thread.3586425/ . I also know that yesterday's 4chan leaker "Lurantis" has dropped the .CIA file for those with custom firmware on their 3DS family devices to be dirty scumbag pirates enjoy. I will not direct you to where you can find this nor can I condone it. However, as someone who hasn't signed any sort of NDA and is merely spreading the word, I feel that it is important to bring this info to light so that the reader can understand the current situation and how rapidly information may spread.

Yesterday was one heck of a ride. the 4chan leaker provided us with all sorts of choice bits of information before the Pokemon Project people got their hands on the games and have begun the full datamine. there's a lot of info all over the place I could go over in this post, such as the full info on the starter pokemon, the story related spoilers, the fact that the EXP curve has been reverted to Generation 5's calculations, the CRAZY stuff we've learned about Z-moves and other pokemon, or just a number of little buffs and nerfs about (Dark Void has purposefully been nerfed so bad so it will never see viability in VGC ever again, Leech Life now has the same Base Power as moves like Scald and basically outclasses X-Scissor as the physical bug move of choice), but... really, the flood of information is so crazy that I feel that it's best if you folks use the thread posted above to do your own research. a lot of false and true info is flying around, so... please be smart.

Anyhow, feel free to discuss, and please... don't let coverage of dumb pokemon datamines and details pirates are finding distract you from getting out there and voting in the 2016 United States of America presidential election. even if you don't think your vote counts on the macro level, keep in mind the importance of voting on your downballot and doing so in an informed manner. Google even lets you search for what is on your ballot if you go to google and search "Find My Ballot" and put in your address.

until next time, see ya!




so... it turns out that while Gamefreak was extra careful to remove all unnesesary pokemon data, models, move data, and text from the demo... They left in the Pokedex images.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sun-and-moon-demo-datamine-collection.3584810/

if Ultra-beasts are to be counted towards our total pokemon count here (and the argument that they are pokemon seems compelling considering they have Shiny data...) we are looking at a current total of 802 Pokemon!

this also means that other than a few standouts, the pokemon company has actually revealed a good majority of the new pokemon and alolan forms to us. The Chinese leaks of the final evos for starters were true, although among the art assets found, there was no snowman pokemon or dolphin pokemon. that being said, we have Tapu Koko's counterparts, pre-evolutions/alt forms for Solgaleo and Lunala, 8 ultra beasts, and a slew of other things, like wimpod's badass evo and a boat anchor pokemon.

The most stark and shocking parts of this whole thing is that the only alolan forms that were found in this data were Geodude line, Diglett and Dugtrio, and Persian, which also contradicts some of the alolan forms we heard about from the chinese leaks that predicted Salandit, Morelull, Oricorio, Passimian, and Pyukumuku. as it stands, there are currently only 17 alolan formes that were in the data for the special demo.


It seems VERY strange that gamefreak would be so thorough but at the same time make such a huge mistake, Especially given that the ORAS demo is what leaked out all the megas in that game. something feels amiss about this all. could they really have given away so much of this game's mystique in pre-release material, or is the pokemon company finally on top of their game when it comes to the usual suspects delving into the data of their games to find out everything they can and gave leakers just enough data to throw people off and really surprise us?

[nickmitch]

I truly wanna believe that last bit where they know what people are going to look for, so "announcing" some things that way would still enable Gamefreak to surprise everyone.

[rygar]

I had a feeling I was going to like the final form of Rowlett the most. I'm probably still going to choose Litten, especially if it's Fire/Dark (I like the supernatural types the best so far), but I have something to think about now.

[ClexYoshi]

The Datamine has been updated. people have discovered the TM table. HMs are eliminated. there is 29 Z-moves, as well as a new Poke ball type that speculation seems to lead towards the idea that it is a ball to capture Ultra Beasts. The text dump is also available. that being said, this is all in the Smogon thread linked at the top of this thread.

[nickmitch]

No more HM slaves confirmed?? ZOMG.

[Shaymin]

They swapped out Dig (one of the original TMs) for frickin' LEECH LIFE?

Preorders cancelled.

[ClexYoshi]

My hope is that maybe Leech Life and Absorb get some sort of mechanical change  that makes them more valuable, such as keeping their weak power in exchange for a 100% HP Drain or such?

[ClexYoshi]

Sorry to double-post, but the last bit of info from the data-mine that's important has come out.

- Super Potions got a buff from 50 HP to 60
- Hyper potions got nerfed from 200 HP to 120 HP
- Hyper Potions cost 1500 a pop instead of 1200 a pop.


- X-attack, X-Defend, X-Speed, X-Special Attack, X-Special Defend, X-Accuracy, and X-Evade all increase stats by two stages now.
- Bottled Water, Soda Pop, and Lemonade all got 10 point healing nerfs.



-Although gamefreak tried to hide ribbons, the encryption hiding them was reverse engineered. nothing too startling there, honestly. 40 ribbons total.

- Several images were found in the code for pop-ups for when you get some sort of key item, similar to the pop-ups you get when Kukui gives you the Pokefinder or the Pokeride pager in the demo. I imagine these images will be added to the smogon thread soon. there actually are some pretty spoiler-ish items shown in that set of images.

-Although there were some serious efforts to encrypt the new save game algorithm that Pokemon Sun and Moon uses, Gamefreak also stupidly left images with programming instructions in the demos code, and the dataminers have worked very hard and have developed a tool for Save editing compatible with PKHeX. that being said, they do not plan to release this tool they've developed to the public until the full game is out. That being said, people are going to pretty much be able to gen right out of the gate once again unless this has been one elaborate game of cat and mouse that the programmers and the Dataminers are now playing. I doubt that Gamefreak is actively devoting resources beyond what they've currently done to safeguard the games due to how botched this demo has been.

there's also a few other curious sprites found in the demo's code, such as a terrain map of earth, overhead images of each of alola's 4 island, and a couple of other symbols snd sprites that seem to have nothing to do with anything, but if you want these details, Kaphotics' Datamine part 5 video has the deets.

the video I'm citing also says that he's not going to devote any more videos to the datamine, but rather discuss any further curiosities via social media.

[Mop it up]

That's pretty funny. I guess it will be another couple of games before they hit 1,000.

[Shaymin]

My hope is that maybe Leech Life and Absorb get some sort of mechanical change  that makes them more valuable, such as keeping their weak power in exchange for a 100% HP Drain or such?

At the very least, it needs the Draining Kiss buff (50pwr, 3/4 damage drain).

[ClexYoshi]

although a relatively minor detail, the details behind how Ash-Greninja works are at least fascinating.

As coded, it seems that there are 3 forms of Greninja. There's regular greninja that can have the abilities Torrent, Torrent, and Protean.

the Greninja in the demo is coded as an alternate forme similar to say... Origin Forme Giratina going from having Pressure, Pressure, and Telepathy to Levitate, Levitate, and Telepathy. This demo greninja has Battle Bond, Battle Bond, and Battle Bond. obviously, there isn't a way to shift this to a regular greninja that we know of to get it to revert to having Torrent or Protean.

Then there's Ash-Greninja, which still keeps the battle bond ability loadout, but has the increased stats and the increased damage to Water Shuriken.


The first post on the smogon datamine thread also has a video now to display all ball animations for sending out pokemon. I'm pretty sure there's alsoa  video out there where someone replaced Pikapek's model with Alolan Dugtrio's since that's in the demo.

[nickmitch]

So, has the type chart changed at all? Or is that maybe still unknown?

[ClexYoshi]

So, has the type chart changed at all? Or is that maybe still unknown?

Type chart is unchanged, 0 new types are added, although Paralysis did get a big nerf...



Another huge detail has been found in the demo's code, in that Gamefreak didn't scrub battle intro animations from the game. there's a lot of obvious ones out there like it rolling over a desert scene or through a patch of grass or rocky cliffsides for wild pokemon, various trainer intros for trainers (note it doesn't actually spoil the trainers as this all has the generic lass or Kukui dummied in, but it shows camera pans, backgrounds, etc. for things like Kahunas, skull grunts in singles and doubles, Skull Admins, Guzma, Aether Foundation grunts for single and double battles, Aether admins-

Wait, Aether grunts and admins?!? yes, the speculation seems to be true! various battle intros that bear the golden Aether foundation logo have been found in the code, confirming that in some copacity, you will be able to do single and double battles against aether foundation members. there's a few other interesting intros too for like... most likely Ultra beasts and such as well.

The video evidence of all this is once again, included in the Smogon Datamine thread posted at the top of this thread.

[rygar]

Is what was identified as Cosmog in the trailer the same sprite that was leaked as being Lunaala's previous form? Do you think that means the leak was wrong or that Game Freak is just hiding the ball on what Cosmog becomes?

[ClexYoshi]

Is what was identified as Cosmog in the trailer the same sprite that was leaked as being Lunaala's previous form? Do you think that means the leak was wrong or that Game Freak is just hiding the ball on what Cosmog becomes?

Cosmog is in the Pokedex next to Lunala. the nature of it is still mysterious. all we had was a picture and conjecture to work off of.

[rygar]

Sure, I meant wrong in the loosest sense. I was just wondering if people still thought it was a preliminary form. That still makes sense to me.

[ClexYoshi]

My personal theory on Cosmog at this point is that it may fill the role of the base 100 even 'cute' legendary that pokemon like Victini, Mew, Celebi, Manaphy, Jirachi, and Shaymin have filled in the past, and like recent legendaries, Cosmog may have an alternate form that they plan on introducing via (unlikely) a patch or (likely) additional Gen 7 games.

[rygar]

That would be cool. I like the idea of a cosmic Pokémon. It could also open up a new thematic design: Pokémon as personifications of concepts. I think that could be a really interesting area from which to mine ideas.

[ClexYoshi]

I mean, that's kinda what Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem are since they are basically Tao pokemon. you also have stuff like the lake trio being beings of Emotion, Wisdom, and Willpower... heck, even before that, I'd say Gengar being this twisted shadow loosely based on Clefable is a bit of an abstraction from reality.

[rygar]

Yeah, I started thinking of some after I posted that. Cosmog's look reminded me of Eternity from Marvel Comics and what I really should have said is that there are a lot of cool designs to be had anthropomorphizing abstract concepts.

[ClexYoshi]

I've checked in on any further datamines occuring on the Sun and Moon Preload. it seems that the 128-bit key will be preventing anyone from breaking the encryption before release date. the only thing that will produce any further leaks would be a store breaking street date for the game.


for the record a 128-bit pass code would look something like say...


11010101
00000100
01010110
00001110
11101011
00101000
11110000
10100101
00101000
00010101
11111111
00010100
00000000
00000000
00000000
01011010


It'd literally be impossible for even a super powerful computation device to brute-force the key because it'd have to go through the 3DS's verification process, and it could literally take until the heat death of the universe for a computer to guess the ridiculous key.

[ClexYoshi]

sorry for the double post, but... Brace for impact, kids! someone got a physical copy 2 weeks early.