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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2014, 12:00:44 AM »
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2014, 12:14:19 AM »
So from that picture, it looks like they put all those bullshit tiles in the start menu. Am I seeing this right?

I'm glad their out of the way if this is true, but what is the point of having them at all?
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2014, 12:36:13 AM »
They are still live tiles that animate, update, and change when you see them.  Now you just have to open the Start Menu to get them. 

I think the idea was to make finding your programs easier with the Start Menu and tiles...but also still use the tiles to let people get more information before opening the program.  If I can see I have no new E-mails in the start menu, I don't have to open the program up anymore.  It solved my problem.

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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2014, 01:07:10 AM »
Played with Windows 10 at work today.

All Programs under start menu are all called apps.
Computer, Control Panel, and Device and Printers are tucked away
Charms bar is gone, but it mentioned it in settings.
Log off and shut down are at the top of the start menu instead of the bottom
Looks like you can turn the Start Screen back on.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2014, 01:04:10 PM »
Microsoft just announced that Build 2015 will be from April 29th-May 1st. We should be getting the Windows 10 consumer preview as well as getting our first look at Windows Phone 10 and the Xbox Win 10 build, plus probably the next wave of lumia and surface.

 http://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2014/10/16/introducing-microsoft-ignite-lineup-top-conferences-2015/
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2014, 02:00:38 PM »
$2,000... Seriously... I'm a Microsoft Programmer but, I can't convince my company to let me go with that ticket price...
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2014, 02:27:43 PM »
$2,000... Seriously... I'm a Microsoft Programmer but, I can't convince my company to let me go with that ticket price...

and $900 for students. Google I/0 is $900 for everyone and $300 for students. WWDC is 1600.

Won't be surpised to see Google raise the prices of both GA and student rtickets to further stop people just buying the I/o tickets for swag.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2014, 02:02:43 PM »
http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2014/10/19/microsoft-wearable-smartwatch/

The first gen Microsoft smart watch should be launched very soon. It was supposed to be a few months ago, but it was assumed that it was delayed yo laucnh with windows ten.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2014, 03:11:10 PM »
I've been waiting for this for a very long time.  There is barely any information and if Microsoft really wants to get into this sector unlike some of the others they have something to prove.

In a way this will be one of the big things that will determine whether I'll stay Windows Phone or not.  I love Windows Phone but extra tech has passed it by.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2014, 06:01:06 PM »
I remember hearing a bit about it last june was that it was going to have a ton of sensors to jump into the market with a focus on fitness like Apple is doing, which is smart. The biggest disappointment about Android Wear is how lackluster and half assed the fitness components seems to be. Microsoft seems to be in a pretty good postion to make a decent fitness platform since they have the MSN health and Fitness apps and the Kinect stuff on xbox.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2014, 06:17:37 PM »
You hold the MS watch up to your Kinect, which reads the time and sends it to your phone.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2014, 10:28:40 AM »
Windows 10 tech preview just got its first preview which added the notification center, data sense, and battery saver features from windows phone.
http://m.windowscentral.com/new-windows-10-preview-build-adds-data-sense-and-battery-saver-features


The November Xbox One update adds themes via achievement pictures and photo uploading. Also the Microsoft garage tech just released a one game that's an RTS that uses the controller and voice.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2014, 11:35:24 PM »
Here's the video of the previously mentioend November Xbox Update, also Xbox preview members recived codes to the Evolve Alpha. I happen to have two with my internet being out which sucks.




The Microsoft Band and Microsoft Health are launching thursday for $199. I may skip a Wii U and get this for Christmas since it seems to be what I want in a smartwatch in look and function. It's just so low key 


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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2014, 11:38:36 AM »
Mine is purchased and because I didn't want to wait till Monday I have 1 night shipping.  I better see it tomorrow.

I also got the 1 year accident warranty.  Good price for it and I know how I beat up watches.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2014, 12:26:37 PM »
Also this is a really cool pic of the watch.

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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2014, 12:53:47 PM »
Was "xp" a number, I like letter numbers!

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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2014, 01:44:37 PM »
If they allow for customizations I'm sure it won't take long for someone to do the joke watch face.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2014, 03:16:46 PM »
Nice, post impressions once you got it.


I have to wonder if the whole paying with your watch will catch on the way that companies want it too.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2014, 04:09:22 PM »
I don't know.  Interestingly enough I don't think NFC is part of the Microsoft Band.

*looks at spec*

Yep it isn't.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2014, 09:33:05 PM »
A band? Jeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzus.

Yet another example of a company that understands the current consumer but not the future one.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2014, 11:02:26 PM »
What's the future watches? Its a band because Like a fitbit its mainly for fitness.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2014, 04:46:17 AM »
I'm glad you asked, and I'll tell you.


As "cool" as wearables are, it's not unreasonable to see a counter-culture against them and devices in general. We already use a lot of digital products and we may not hate it now, but at some point it may be too much. It may push us to rethink why we use these things in the first place. Are our lives really any better with this latest product? This doesn't even factor in privacy concerns and it's growing. People are more concerned than ever about what they share and how companies use (and sell) their information. Simply put, it'll become creepy. There's too much of your information being tracked and putting a bracelet on that is clearly owned by a big company would look (and probably feel) like subjugation. And tracking non-essential data isn't a good enough reason to wear one.

And in those parameters, other than niche products for the fit and the wild, hardly anything will survive. The apple watch? It may be bought by quite a few people, but it certainly won't be "hip". People will have a very tough time explaining their purchase to others, a terrible sign for any product, and it will be the quickest fad yet. Mark my words and hold them against me if I'm wrong. But until someone makes something worth wearing, something so inconspicuous yet vital to our everyday lives, nothing will be universally adopted. Why? Because it's not worth it.


Now I know I have yet to give you a complete answer, but there's one more thing I'd like to discuss before I do.

Your phone is becoming more and more the most important piece of equipment you have. Give it time, and unless you are doing high-end computation, it will become the only device you'll need and everything else will be shells of themselves with a dock for your phone and a battery inside. And because it's so important, losing it or damaging it when doing trivial things will not only become annoying but will make you question if it's important enough to take with you. And of course it is, it's your phone. It's your point of contact, your point of reference. It's too useful for any given situation, be it leisurely or emergency.


So I've set up two scenarios here. One is wearables doing nothing a phone can't do or doing something only a niche would use. And the other is needing to take your phone everywhere. The obvious solutions are making a wearable that doesn't do what your phone does and will never do, and making an indestructible phone. I have yet to see anything wearable that a phone could never do other than in niche categories, and have yet to see an indestructible phone that is as sleek and has the same functionality as a smartphone.


Companies have decide to focus on health. That's where the money is. What they haven't considered though, is that unless they dive into the depth of the field, from blood levels to air quality, the general population will not care. Don't get me wrong. The health industry is a huge market, raking in billions of dollars each year. What I am saying is that simply tracking someone's heart rate or steps isn't going to become the next iPod. But if you did dive into the depth and made a wearable that tracked truly meaningful data, even providing daily blood tests, and it could be kept private even from the inventor (with an option to share), that would certainly be a solution. Actually, that would be incredible. Could you imagine a world where everyone monitored their health in real-time? Not just superficial data, but consequential data? The implications would be huge. Even if people didn't share their information, with a bit of education it would save millions if not billions of lives. I would buy that. I would buy two, so I never had to take the damn thing off. But sadly, that's not what companies are doing today. The most I've seen is glucose monitoring systems for diabetics.


On the other side of the spectrum is the indestructible phone and no company in their right mind would make one. First of all, it'll be expensive to make, secondly it'll be unwieldy, and even if they get it right and it's a beautiful piece of human engineering, no one will buy another phone unless it becomes utterly obsolete. So the best we're ever going to get is a case that provides the protection, none of which are perfect and most are unsightly or mess with functionality. So what I propose as a solution to this dilemma and to the hotly anticipated and already crowded wearable market and the technological field as a whole is .... a phone. Yes, a phone but hear me out.


This phone would be a companion to your main phone, but could work completely independent of it. It can pretty much do what your phone can, but worse. Put it in a tiny (something like THIS) form factor that's water-proof, floats, and can take a beating and you've got a device that people would use all the time. Just like how the tablet sounded stupid until you used one, this little phone will make you hate how much you love it. It'll be a pain to use any web interface including social media, but it will make calls and take pictures and video just fine. You can load it up with music or stream it. You can message your friends, but better make it short as you'll have trouble reading what you're typing...better yet, just call them. And pulling up directions is no problem and neither is exchanging info as NFC is a long press away.


Now there are some flaws with the idea, mainly is it even possible to have two phones under the same number? But other than that, the companion phone would alleviate a problem you didn't think existed. Best of all, this idea won't take advantage of a problem until phones really do become so powerful they replace laptops for the average consumer; when your phone ceases to become a phone and instead becomes your mobile processor; the linchpin of your productivity.


Just to be clear, I'm not proposing a "dumbphone". As much as I love those phones, this is not it. They do not sync with your smartphone and therefore ruin the whole point. This companion is what you take out when you need your phone but don't want to risk taking your main phone out. And you will think of the risk when you continue to use your main phone for more and more important tasks. So next time you're about to head out for a hike or out to a party, don't take your phone, take this shitty, little piece of awesomeness instead and stay connected.


You may think this idea is absurd but companies are banking on people buying modern day pagers.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2014, 05:22:04 AM »
Reading this over and I knew I forgot to mention something.

After reading this some of you might think, "Well why not just make the main phone tiny?" The answer is: the market won't allow it. These past 7 years (has it only been that long?) the market has been playing with the size of phones and has just now got it right. The iphone 6 is the perfect sized phone. Not too big, not too small. If you want bigger, there's plenty bigger for consuming media live movies or netflix or drawing, but ask anyone going from a perfect-sized phone (about 5 1/2") or bigger to even what was an extremely popular phone like the iphone 4 or even the 3g and you'll see them notice just how tiny that screen is in comparison. So a tiny screen would never fly. It's too important to make small and the market won't allow it.

But for a phone companion, the size of the screen doesn't matter. You won't be wasting your time looking at it anyways. What's important is the connectivity, and you'll have it. Furthermore, it beats out watches and bands because calling is something watches and bands could never do unless they can detach because no one wants their conversations heard and talking into your wrist looks ridiculous for everyone except a secret service agent and Inspector gadget. Sure it can't track your fitness, but who cares. If you really care about your fitness, you'd already be wearing something. And this is the phone you'd take on a run anyways, since you can't lug around a real phone the tight pants anyways.
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Re: The Windows/microsoft thread of not knowing how to count.
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2014, 09:09:07 AM »
I'll be honest I read enough of your posts and enough of that post to get the gist of what your saying.

For me this is a watch.  Plain and simple.  I haven't had a watch in years simply because I couldn't justify having a time only device.  Time just isn't that important to me.  I be looking at the neat time pieces that do tons of stuff.  That gets me here.  I love statistics on myself and teasing out patterns.  If I could have my full genetic code and have every statistic about me in a real time and historic feed I would.  This stuff interests me.  This is as close as I'll currently get.

I think in the distant future when we finally perfect screen projection and get use to the lack of touch feedback that something akin to the Microsoft Band will be the norm since we won't need to tablet and phone model we have today.  Sci-Fi has been predicting that is where we won't to go for almost the life of the genre.  Yes in the future the Desktop PC as we know it will not be what it is.
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« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2014, 11:51:47 AM »
I wear watches, I am obsessed with time pieces so these things have an appeal to me on that merit alone. But I also enjoy making old tech useful and this does that too. I don't see a counter-culture where people rebel against technology if that were going to happen it would have by now, the world depends on these things now, even people who need then for self comfort their device has become a part of their identity there is no taking that away now, not without a blood revolution which is not too far fetched but far less desirable than just not caring what statistics they are sharing on you, if your not breaking the law and not doing anything your embarrassed by why do you care if they track you or not? Is it a privacy issue? Are you embarrassed someone might see you go into a comic book shop or something? Are you a secret cross-dresser and are scared this might out you? What is the concern I don't get it so what if they can track you and what you buy thats always been a part of marketing and consumerism and people have accepted that decades ago, the internet just makes is more obvious and if Facebook and Google can get away with all the so-called spying they do, nothing is going to shake up this culture. We collectively shrugged off the you-know-what deal that should have brought this whole thing to it's knees and instead we just went about our business like oh well that sucks but what can you do about it. Without a bloody revolution the masses are not going to give up their comfortable lives no matter what.

The only people who actually do have something to worry about are the criminals and those who just are too paranoid to accept they never had privacy to begin with.
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