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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2013, 10:14:16 PM »
as you get past ten yes at that age.  I remember in 7th grade people were making a big deal over having gotten GTA4. the closer you get to that age-group the more you find that the ESRB is a joke

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #76 on: May 23, 2013, 10:46:56 PM »
How about a price drop and a bunch of triple AAA games both from Nintendo and third parties...

If that were the case then I'd be exceedingly happy about buying a Wii U. As it is though, I just don't see the point; and if I, a huge Nintendo fan, am not seeing the point, then clearly something enticing needs to be offered. Ideally I would like to see all the things you mention, but realistically I'd take any one of them at this point.


For reasons I don't entirely understand, I bought a Wii U today through the Target $239.99 basic unit special. I had had no plans to do so in the near future, but something about the Xbone reveal seemed to confirm that the industry is getting greasy real fast, and that I won't at any point be interested in a PS4 or One. And $250 feels like the right price for this thing.

I've also been out of a console for about a year since I sold my 360 and my Wii's drive broke. So I was excited just to have a machine again (haven't had a gap since I was 5). I figure I'll have enough Wii U stuff to play through this summer, and presumably there'll be a good fall line up. At this point if Nintendo flames out, I think there'll be a lot of other **** going down as well, so I'm going to stop worrying about it and try to get my money's worth out of the U.

Plusses after 4 or 5 hours: Controller is pretty neat, really. I like the OS: nice and clean, but the Miiverse stuff gives an organic sense to proceedings (hate what the 360 became). eShop is a hell of a lot better than the Wii Shop. NSMBU looks surprisingly great on an HD screen, and AC III looks considerably better than the last 360 AC game I played.

Minuses: Left stick feels too far up. Controller screen looks a bit fuzzy. Needless reversal of now standard X/Y A/B buttons.

Confusion: How exactly does offscreen play work? I assumed there'd be a button on the controller that would toggle this. There's no way it can detect TV input, right? I just booted up the controller without turning on the TV and ended up playing Runner 2 for 20 minutes with headphones plugged in, and it was seamless. But do other games make you change a setting? For such a vaunted selling point, this should be clearer.

Overall, though, I'm digging it, and I'm prepared to ride it down to senescence if need be. I'm taking comfort in the fact that this is probably the last console that won't be an over-extended multimedia nickel-and-dime shitshow. If there are 6-8 games (either eShop or retail) a year that I want to play on the WiiU for the next 4 years, I'll consider it's duty done.

More to the point of the thread, I'm about as diehard Nintendo as you get, and despite the generally alarmed atmosphere, I kinda just succumbed to entropy while fully sympathizing with reasonable arguments about why this thing's doomed. Que sera, sera! 

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #77 on: May 24, 2013, 01:51:52 AM »
Yeah, certain games have an option in their settings to go to off screen play.

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #78 on: May 24, 2013, 03:41:55 AM »
Needless reversal of now standard X/Y A/B buttons.

Microsoft must be happy with the ubiquity of the face buttons on their controller if Nintendo is repeatedly causing annoyance with the button labeling they have used for the SNES and used again for the DS, 3DS, Wii classic controller, and Wii U controllers.

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #79 on: May 24, 2013, 04:46:58 AM »
Yeah, if you want to call somebody out for reversing the buttons it should be Microsoft (and/or Sega, who did the same thing as Microsoft two years earlier on the Dreamcast). Surprisingly that's never been an issue for me despite spending significant time with the 360 and with the DS/3DS/Wii Classic Controller/Wii U.
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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #80 on: May 24, 2013, 01:37:50 PM »
I thought VGChartz was notorious for having shady stats. Best not to cite them as a source.

The weekly stats are certainly questionable, but the old overall platform lifetime totals are probably close to accurate.

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« Reply #81 on: May 24, 2013, 01:42:03 PM »
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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #82 on: May 24, 2013, 02:11:03 PM »
but the old overall platform lifetime totals are probably close to accurate.

Only to a very small extent, I still would not use them for any numbers. Part of it is because Nintendo only reports sales numbers for a game that sells at least 250K copies in a quarter. So a game can sell 200K copies and Nintendo will not include it in their financial reports.
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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #83 on: May 24, 2013, 04:06:58 PM »
The Spyke Has Spoken!


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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #84 on: May 24, 2013, 06:33:58 PM »
but the old overall platform lifetime totals are probably close to accurate.

Only to a very small extent, I still would not use them for any numbers. Part of it is because Nintendo only reports sales numbers for a game that sells at least 250K copies in a quarter. So a game can sell 200K copies and Nintendo will not include it in their financial reports.
So where do you get your numbers?

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #85 on: May 24, 2013, 06:37:53 PM »
but the old overall platform lifetime totals are probably close to accurate.

Only to a very small extent, I still would not use them for any numbers. Part of it is because Nintendo only reports sales numbers for a game that sells at least 250K copies in a quarter. So a game can sell 200K copies and Nintendo will not include it in their financial reports.
So where do you get your numbers?

What numbers? When I DO use numbers, I find ones that are confirmed by a reliable source (i.e. Nintendo itself, or IGN/GameSpot/etc.).
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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #86 on: May 24, 2013, 07:04:07 PM »
Pfft... IGN, reliable

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #87 on: May 24, 2013, 07:07:40 PM »
You may not like IGN, but they DO get access to stuff like NPD numbers and direct contact with developers/publishers. They are reliable.
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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #88 on: May 24, 2013, 07:11:04 PM »


Vg charts also gets NPD, what makes them so bad

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #89 on: May 24, 2013, 07:15:07 PM »
No, VG Chartz does NOT get NPD. If they did, they wouldn't be so vastly off.

Do you really think anyone from VG Chartz is gonna fork over the $25,000 a month fee NPD charges? Especially knowing they will publish all the numbers? NPD started cracking down on sites that just released the top TEN games, you really think they would let VG Chartz publish ALL the numbers? VGC gets their NPD the same way we do, from sites that actually DO get the numbers.

What VGC does is call a few game stores in their area and then guess the numbers. They will change their guess once real data comes out, but they don't have any more access than you or I.
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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #90 on: May 25, 2013, 01:27:34 AM »
Only to a very small extent, I still would not use them for any numbers. Part of it is because Nintendo only reports sales numbers for a game that sells at least 250K copies in a quarter. So a game can sell 200K copies and Nintendo will not include it in their financial reports.

Again, if you look at the link I posted and my comment, I wasn't referring at all to game sales figures.  I was only referencing platform hardware sales totals, and I'm sure they have roughly accurate numbers for total sales of the NES, SNES, N64, GC, etc., although if you have a source that greatly differs from their totals I'd be interested to see it.

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #91 on: May 25, 2013, 01:41:48 AM »
Spyke is right about IGN getting NPD numbers. They would be the ones to pay for that sort of thing. You can't trust IGN on more subjective things like reviews and opinions. Hell, they even had that Halo DS rumor thing right. Remember the video? I'm not gonna google it because I'm lazy.
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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #92 on: May 27, 2013, 04:57:53 PM »
what can Nintendo do you ask? They can release a Legend of Zelda game, then Wii U sales will go through the roof. Just sayin'
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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #93 on: May 27, 2013, 05:32:18 PM »
Yeah, it only needs one first party game! JUST SAYIN'! Because everybody loves The Legend of Zelda right?!?!

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #94 on: May 27, 2013, 06:54:01 PM »
Funny/despressing story: a co-worker of mine noticed me looking at an animated gif making fun of the Xbox One and noted that he has seen the same gif and this naturally led to a conversation about the next gen.  We talked about the Wii U and he mentioned that he has one but is struggling to find anything to play on it.  Then he dropped this nugget:

Him: So is Nintendo releasing a new console?
Me: Well the Wii U is only a few months old so they're not going to replace it soon.
Him: Oh, so the Wii U is Nintendo's next gen?

So, yeah, in his mind I guess he figured the Wii U was Nintendo's belated answer to the PS3 and Xbox 360 and that it was some stopgap until the "real" console that would compete with the XB1 and PS4 would come out.  He seemed legitimately caught off guard that the Wii U was it.

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #95 on: May 27, 2013, 07:38:59 PM »
what can Nintendo do you ask? They can release a Legend of Zelda game, then Wii U sales will go through the roof. Just sayin'

Was that a joke?  I recall hearing that Skyward Sword didn't sell all that well - certainly didn't do anywhere near the numbers that New Super Mario Bros. did on Wii.

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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #97 on: May 27, 2013, 08:46:47 PM »
Clicking the link brought me back down to earth - 3.4 million for Skyward Sword...I nearly shat my pants just looking at the URL.
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« Reply #98 on: May 27, 2013, 08:57:31 PM »
LOL! I probably should've noticed that.
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Re: The Wii U and next Gen: What can Nintendo do?
« Reply #99 on: May 29, 2013, 01:23:11 AM »
Smash and Kart will move units.
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