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« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2003, 12:12:24 PM »
Some dude I talked to today said he saw Narc.  I think he said it was okay, but I don't really remember.

Why I tell you this, I know not.  Just an odd coincidence that your post and his comment should occur in a small span of time.
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« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2003, 08:05:30 PM »
A very good movie (although confusing at times) is Donnie Darko. You only realize what's happening after watching it a few times though.

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« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2003, 03:25:42 AM »
Grey Ninja:  A clockwork orange is a must see mostly because of the theme, not really the movie as a whole.  While its not one of my favorite movies ever, its idealogy is certainly worth absorbing.

Another movie that i love, and everyone hates is American Psycho.  I chalk it up to people not getting it, but maybe i'm just crazy?  Its a lot of satire, dark satire.  Some people who watch it think its a slasher flick, but the story is actually a comment on excess , power, isolation and dementia.  Give it a shot.  Its a love it or hate it movie, no middle ground.
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« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2003, 04:28:55 PM »
I'm sure  most of you have seen this, but full metal jacket is a pretty dark movie.

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« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2003, 05:00:33 PM »
Molobert:

Posted by mouse_clicker Sat July 26, 2003 4:00 PM CST:
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Oh yeah, if you're looking for a good psychological movie, I strongly suggest you wacth Donnie Darko- it's one of my favorite movies ever. It kind of has some science fiction spots here and there, but it's mainly about one kid's detoriation of sanity. Magnificent movie.


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Watch it a couple times, too- it's too complicated to understand in one sitting.


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« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2003, 07:28:37 PM »
I watched it again with the director's commentary.  It answered all the mysteries surrounding the movie.  For those who haven't done that yet, DON'T.  Answering the mystery is not a good thing.  I disagree greatly with the official explanation, and I suspect that many of you will too.
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« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2003, 08:53:30 PM »
I watched Donnie Darko and didn't find it that confusing, except for the ever-present time-loop problem, is that what you're referring to?
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« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2003, 10:20:09 PM »
Alright, be warned that I am quite drunk, and likely to not make a lot of sense.  Nevertheless, I will try to answer your question.

Jacob's Ladder was much like Silent Hill in that almost everything was presented in a very obvious manner.  There was very little subtlety involved, and the story was presented in a clear manner, yet a paradox was very evident.  Donnie Darko was different in that much of the story was left to the viewer's interpretation, yet I felt that a clear theme was underlying the movie.  I felt that if I could break the symbolic bonds, I could free the intent and purpose of the movie.  I actually considered posting a thread in this very forum specifically for Donnie Darko.  Yet I watched the movie with the director's commentary just so I would be able to better understand it, and I came to a shocking discovery.

Fact of the matter is, Donnie Darko didn't go insane, according to the director.  He considered it to be a science fiction story in which the main character is hyper sensitive, but perfectly sane.  To me, this doesn't sit very well.  I think that the "they" that he speaks of is Donnie's own mind.  He is creating Frank from his own half forgotten memories of time not yet past.  He is caught in a time loop, and it's impossible for him to escape until he makes the right decision.  He is obviously insane already from his past events, making him easily accessable from the powers that be.  Much like groundhog day, he is trapped in a repeating world for him that his making him unconsciously aware of what must be done.  Frank, and everything else is a fiction created by his own mind and nobody elses.

And so ends my theory of the movie.  I simply CANNOT accept the director's simple explanation.
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« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2003, 03:32:30 AM »
Gery Ninja: Simple- don't except the director's commentary. That doesn't sit quite well with me, either, and I completely agree with you. I know that's supposedly what the director intended for people to get out of a movie, but I think movies mean different things to different people, and they can interpret them in different ways. Hence, I disagree with the director on his own creation. Usually that doesn't happen with me, though.

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« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2003, 03:13:22 PM »
Back to the Shining, finished it today.  Very good.  This was the only time the book actually pulled me in, and it was worth it.  Not one of my favorites, but enjoyable non-the-less.

I hope I don't have any book reports this year.  I dispise (sp?) those.  It takes all the fun out of reading, especially when they make you read a certain chapter, or even worse, a certain book.  I read for enjoyment, not for work.

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« Reply #60 on: August 28, 2003, 09:47:11 PM »
Thank you for that, I completly agree with your view aswell.  
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« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2003, 03:33:21 AM »
Only time a book has pulled you in, KnowsNothing? Obviously you haven't one much reading. You want some books that REALLY pull you in, read Ender's Game, Dune, and, of course, Lord of the Rings.
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« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2003, 05:32:52 AM »
I'm sorry, mouse-clicker, i mis-worded it.  I meant the climax was the only time this particular book pulled me in.  

I actually do a fair bit of reading, but I kind of slacked off this summer.  I've read all the of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, and Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, and Shadow of the Hegemon.  I haven't read any Dune books, yet, becuase my library doesn't have the first book.
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« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2003, 10:25:41 AM »
Knowsnothing, did you watch the movie version yet?  Must see, just don't mind the sideburns.
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« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2003, 04:52:11 PM »
Nop I haven't!  I've been meaning to get to the movie store lately, but have been too busy.  I still must rent Princess Mononoke, The Shining, and Cowboy Bebop: The movie.  Must...watch.  must...play.  must...eat.  naw, eating doesn't matter...
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« Reply #65 on: August 30, 2003, 01:35:06 PM »
In my opinion (and Arthur C. Clark's as well, as it would seem) is that the only thing book that could be considered better than Dune is Lord of the Rings- now, I own 14 history of Middle-Earth books, so words like that don't come oft from these lips. Seriously- it's to science fiction what Lord of the Rings was to fantasy.
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« Reply #66 on: August 31, 2003, 05:37:02 AM »
Personally, my favorite books are the Dark Tower books.  I would list them as the best fantasy, AND the best sci-fi.  Things that good don't come around too often.
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« Reply #67 on: August 31, 2003, 08:45:23 AM »
at the moment i'm reading the neuromancer series again for the fifth time (up to mona lisa overdrive) - william gibson.
eventually when i stop spending so much on games i'll buy the virtual light series.
i'd read them both heaps but never owned them, so now's the time i guess.
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« Reply #68 on: August 31, 2003, 08:55:09 AM »
Right, so you HAVE read Lord of the Rings, right Ninja? I just don't see how anyone can say there's a fantasy book/series better than Lord of the Rings (or the Hobbit, for that matter), especially when 99.99999% of fantasy out there right now is just ripping it off.
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« Reply #69 on: August 31, 2003, 09:03:24 AM »
Yes, I have read the first two books of the Lord of the Rings.  I have read the first 4 books of The Dark Tower.  I think it peaked with Book 3 myself, but we shall see.

But have you read the Dark Tower books?  If you haven't, I would really get on that.  Even if you don't think that they are as good as LOTR, they are still very much worth a read.  They aren't based on LOTR at all, so it's not like they are ripping anyone off, but when you start reading it, you can see that it's a fantasy/sci-fi type deal.
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« Reply #70 on: August 31, 2003, 09:17:51 AM »
I've heard the Dark Tower series is great, and I'll see if I can get ahold of the first book and start on it. However, I don't consider you having read Lord of the Rings until you've read The Return of the King- it is all one book you know, divided only because Tolkien's publisher didn't know what to charge for a book it's size. So reading only the first two books is like reading 200 pages of a 300 page book.
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« Reply #71 on: August 31, 2003, 09:23:38 AM »
Yeah, I know.  But the thing is is that I don't read ANYTHING these days.  The Dark Tower Part 5 comes out in November, and I don't think that I will even read that in a timely fashion.  I WANT to read it, but I am not sure that I will be able to.  Reading just doesn't come naturally to me anymore.  With LOTR, I think I might prefer to just watch the movie of the last part.  So far I have been liking the movies more than the books anyways.
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« Reply #72 on: August 31, 2003, 09:57:19 AM »
While I'm sure the Return of the King movie will be a marvel of film making, it leaves out a VERY important part of the book so that it won't be so anticlimatic. I personally think it's one of the most meaningful and important parts of the entire book and I'd prefer they leave it in the movie, but I see their point.

And never, ever say the LotR movie is better than the book in a group of Tolkien nerds. If we were talking in person right now, you wouldn't have any bowels.
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« Reply #73 on: September 01, 2003, 04:38:47 PM »
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« Reply #74 on: September 02, 2003, 11:48:05 AM »
You are all right about the books.

The LOTR series is awsome, and so is the Ender's Game series.
But I have never read The Dark Tower series even if my name is The Dark Tower.
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