Topic: "Wii U Can Handle Crysis 3 (And Almost Did), Says Crytek Head" -Kotaku

[shingi_70]

I'm confused with this whole I don't care if EA games are on the system because they don't interest me I hear on Nintendo sites so often. Even though the games don't interest you surely you must admit not having these titles hampers the system compared to others.

[nickmitch]

It's the old "it doesn't matter to me, so it's obviously not important" argument. It's kind of like the inverse of the "I like this thing, why isn't it more successful?" or "Why did they cancel Arrested Development?!" paradox.

[pokepal148]

EA can sure hold a grudge
next madden 14 for wii u will be a port of a saturn game

[Adrock]

That's too much effort. If EA really wanted to be dicks, they could just take Madden '13 code, do some basic updates and change '13 to '14. Voila, new game! Nah, EA would never do that.

[ejamer]

::looks at number of EA games in personal library::
::counts them on one hand::
::looks at all the other great games in personal library::
::doesn't much give a **** about EA on Nintendo consoles::

If you don't care about EA as a publisher, then which publishers do matter?  Ubisoft is all shovelware.  Activision is licensed garbage and annualized sequels, so who cares about them. Atlus and Xseed don't do anything appealing unless you care about some really niche, oddball titles.  Sega?  Hahahah...

We all know the only publisher who matters is Nintendo. End of story.

Oh wait... I own about ten EA games, and a bunch of fun Ubisoft titles, and even Activision has found a place on my shelf (despite not liking how they do business). And I'm a bit of an Atlus/Xseed fanboy because those are experiences that you just don't get anywhere else.  Sega? Yep, a handful of my favorite Wii games came from the Hedgehog house.


So maybe having support from lots of different publishers and getting a wide variety of game experiences on the console isn't such a bad thing.  Write off even one of those or other publishers and it's my collection that suffers (and my interest in the console that weakens) as a result.

[Mop it up]

I never said EA wasn't important, just that I don't personally care. There's a difference.

[Ian Sane]

I have noticed that since the N64 era, it's pretty normal to encounter Nintendo fans with a bit too much of a "eh, who needs them?" attitude about third parties.  I think it just stems from growing up in an era where third party games on a Nintendo console are rare and the easiest way to cope with many games not being available on your system of choice is to tell yourself they aren't worth a damn in the first place.

When third parties complain about only first party games selling on a Nintendo console THIS is what they mean.  Whole generations of Nintendo fanboys who have only known the idea of a Nintendo console being for Nintendo games.  Nintendo's third party support has sucked long enough for full grown adults to have never known anything else and their buying habbits are very first party centric as a result.

Having grown up in the NES and SNES era the N64 presented a painful scenario of choosing only one part of what, until then, had been the traditional Nintendo experience.  Neither the N64 or the Playstation would be truly satisfying.  So I look at everything from the N64 onward as a compromise of how things are "supposed" to be.

So I think for some they are well aware of the full impact of what EA ditching Nintendo could mean and it doesn't matter to them because the Wii U could be literallly nothing but Nintendo games and that would not come across as strange or even undesirable to them.  Nintendo has had to train their fans to not care about third party support in order to maintain any sort of customer satisfaction and it has worked.  Or as the third party situation has become more and more hopeless those that care give up on Nintendo, leaving only those that don't.

[Adrock]

Back in the SNES days, my mom bought some **** 3rd party games. Seriously, I had Tom and Jerry for SNES. It was 10 kinds of awful. It wasn't her fault because neither of us knew better. My experience with 3rd party games when I was younger made me skeptical because I played the wrong ones. When picking a game was my choice, it just became easier to ask for a Nintendo made game because those rarely disappointed. As I got older, I wised up and went back and bought many of the 3rd party greats I missed. I'm looking at you Final Fantasy III in SNES.

Nintendo spoiled me by being so consistently good. Still, I later realized that it wasn't simply that Mario and Zelda were good because they were Mario and Zelda. Rather, they were good because they were well-made. That translated to my understanding of 3rd party games. Now that I know what to look for the option isn't there. 3rd party support has generally been pretty bad on Nintendo home consoles. When it isn't, hell yeah I'll buy it. I was all over Resident Evil 4 when that came out.

I'm sure there are others in the same boat. It's not necessarily that Nintendo fans only/mostly buy Nintendo games. We're all older now. We would buy those 3rd party games if the games were available. Since we can't, we don't.

[UncleBob]

I don't get some of the train of thought I see often.

It isn't on Nintendo console owners to support third parties.  It's on third parties to make games that we want to buy.

[pokepal148]

I don't get some of the train of thought I see often.

It isn't on Nintendo console owners to support third parties.  It's on third parties to make games that we want to buy.

and it's on them(and nintendo given the whole 'who needs em' approach) to convince us to buy them

[Adrock]

I don't know about you, but many of them (maybe not EA) make games I want to buy. Unfortunately for them, they simply refuse to release the games on the console I want to buy them on. So, yeah, I'll buy them eventually, but I'm already given less incentive to do so right away. They can have my $20, more than that and they'll have to stop insulting me as an owner of a Nintendo console.

[ejamer]

I don't get some of the train of thought I see often.

It isn't on Nintendo console owners to support third parties.  It's on third parties to make games that we want to buy.

My question before was legit.  If EA doesn't make any games that appeal to you, which publishers do matter?

It's not about Nintendo owners supporting third parties, it's about supporting good games. Far too often that just doesn't happen because people seem to hold grudges against certain publishers or unreasonable doubts about buying anything that isn't first party developed...

(Obviously everyone is going to have different opinions about what games are worth playing. But it only takes 3-4 great games per publisher to quickly build a solid library for a console.  Maybe third parties are right, and owners of Nintendo consoles have developed such insular taste in games that nothing outside of Nintendo-published games appears worth buying. Sounds like BS to me... but that seems to be the argument people are putting forth.)

[UncleBob]

I don't get some of the train of thought I see often.

It isn't on Nintendo console owners to support third parties.  It's on third parties to make games that we want to buy.

My question before was legit.  If EA doesn't make any games that appeal to you, which publishers do matter?

None.  I don't care about publishers - I care about developers.

Maybe third parties are right, and owners of Nintendo consoles have developed such insular taste in games that nothing outside of Nintendo-published games appears worth buying. Sounds like BS to me... but that seems to be the argument people are putting forth.

If third parties are so pathetic that they are basically saying "Well, we can't make a game that sells as well as Nintendo's stuff, so we're not going to bother.", then it's on them.  Not us.

With that said...


Hey, look.  Third party games I bought on my Nintendo console.  Thanks, third parties!

[Oblivion]

But most of those are shitty games...

[marty]

I don't really buy into the EA grudge thing.  There's just no indication that that's the case considering EA is releasing Wii U games.  It's far more likely that EA crunched the numbers and developing/releasing a Wii U Crysis3 didn't meet their MARR.  Unless it's not on psxb360, I think sales of any online fps game on the Wii U are going to suffer from the network effect, and there's not a whole lot anyone can do about that.

[UncleBob]

But most of those are shitty games...

Depends on what you're wanting out of the game.

In my opinion, the ****tiest game there is EA Active, but I bought that at the request of my wife.  On clearance for $10.

But, do tell, what games there do you consider "****ty" and why?

[SixthAngel]

The thing about EA today is that they can't withhold any of their big guns because they don't really have control over them. Madden must go everywhere and I imagine FIFA does too just because that FIFA name doesn't come free.

Their other games just aren't as important and is basically a list of wannabees and has-beens. Those EA games are games you might want on your console but they aren't games you need. I haven't picked up an EA game in ages and the only one that has interested me for a long time is Mass Effect.

[Oblivion]

But, do tell, what games there do you consider "****ty" and why?

Tron: Mediocre party game movie tie-in.
Both Skylanders: not good games for anyone over the age of ten and/or collectors. You are a collector.
Sam&Max: Horrible Port of a lame game in the series.
Rayman: While not a particularly bad game, that version of the game is the worst of the home consoles.
Namco: Pushing waggle too hard.
Monster Hunter: Only good if you like the series.
Marvel: Not as good as the original
Guitar Hero III: A good game, but only if you like music games. I personally hate the genre, but I understand why it's good.
EA Sports Active 2: It's just a fitness game. You play one, you play them all.
Data East: Too many bad games in the collection outweigh the good.
Batman: I found it boring, and has no replayibility.
Back to the Future: You're kidding, right? Framerate issues and glitches ahoy. Get any other version but this one and it's an alright game.
And Then: Only good if you are a fan of the ol' PC point and clock games. And even then, it isn't very good.

[broodwars]

Sam&Max: Horrible Port of a lame game in the series.

Them's fighting words.  : As a fan of the Sam & Max series, I rather liked that second season,  even if Telltale's come a long way since then.

[Oblivion]

Bah, we all know that we can never agree on anything. Why should this surprise you?

[UncleBob]

But, do tell, what games there do you consider "****ty" and why?

Tron: Mediocre party game movie tie-in.
Both Skylanders: not good games for anyone over the age of ten and/or collectors. You are a collector.
Sam&Max: Horrible Port of a lame game in the series.
Rayman: While not a particularly bad game, that version of the game is the worst of the home consoles.
Namco: Pushing waggle too hard.
Monster Hunter: Only good if you like the series.
Marvel: Not as good as the original
Guitar Hero III: A good game, but only if you like music games. I personally hate the genre, but I understand why it's good.
EA Sports Active 2: It's just a fitness game. You play one, you play them all.
Data East: Too many bad games in the collection outweigh the good.
Batman: I found it boring, and has no replayibility.
Back to the Future: You're kidding, right? Framerate issues and glitches ahoy. Get any other version but this one and it's an alright game.
And Then: Only good if you are a fan of the ol' PC point and clock games. And even then, it isn't very good.

Now... how many of these games have you actually played, vs. how many did you quickly look up?

A few fun examples - Skylanders has a lot of "over ten" fans.  They're good, fun games if you like old school dungeon crawlers.  Namco?  I never used waggle in it.  Lots of fun arcade games.  BttF?  Never really ran into any issues.

[Oblivion]

Admittedly, the last game. And you're completely lying about BttF or you have some sort of rose-tinted glasses on. Or in your case, Nintendo-Tinted glasses.

[UncleBob]

When I say I never really ran into issues, I meant with the game play, not the cut scenes, by the way.

[UncleBob]

Rayman: While not a particularly bad game, that version of the game is the worst of the home consoles.

Had to reference this one... Metacritic would seem to disagree:
PC 86
3DS 71
360 87
PS3 87
Vita 88
Wii 92

[Oblivion]

Well, this actually isn't about their opinion, is it? You asked for what I thought. Your argument is invalid, see broodwars' post.