Author Topic: Celda 2? (Read 14729 times)

LinkMaster3000 · « **on:** May 29, 2003, 11:30:19 AM »

I know this is old news and all, but didn't myiamoto say something about using Soul Caliber 2 graphics in the next Zelda? Don't get me wrong I love the cel shadeing but I want to see Link realistic. There was rumor going around that Capcom was working on a more mature and eddiger tiltle. My theory is that were either getting 2 Zelda games that would be pretty cool. Also if Anormua is working on the next Zelda tiltle. Then maybe Myiamoto was working on the Zelda with Capcom, also is spaceworld coming back? I heard that is was

ShockingAlberto · « **Reply #1 on:** May 29, 2003, 11:40:03 AM »

You're about a month behind everyone else. No, Capcom has no "mature" Zelda in the works. The rumored Capcom games turned out to be Four Swords and Tetra's Trackers. Miyamoto has never said that he wanted to use a game using Soul Calibur II-type graphics. Even if he did, the next Zelda is a Wind Waker (NOT CELDA) sequel, thus Aounuma's game. Aounuma (I doubt I'm spelling that right) has said it will use the same graphics system as Wind Waker. He also mentioned that a realisitic Zelda does not appeal to him and takes away the fantasy that Zelda is known for.

So, sorry if you got your hopes up for some sort of crazy dark Zelda game. I guess the rest of us will just have to settle with great gameplay and amazing animation.

-- ShockingAlberto

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #2 on:** May 29, 2003, 02:13:11 PM »

Yay.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #3 on:** May 29, 2003, 02:14:34 PM »

here here

StRaNgE · « **Reply #4 on:** May 29, 2003, 03:53:42 PM »

the majority of gamers do still hope that we will get great gameplay and graphics but with an adult link . and it was hinted that depending on a story in the future that might still be a possibility . who knows for sure besides nintendo.

they'd keep that pretty hush till the time was right if so.

The Omen · « **Reply #5 on:** May 29, 2003, 03:57:17 PM »

Miyamato said if they used an adult link in a new Zelda, they MAY consider using the realistic style. I like the cel shading, and i think it makes the game come to life, but i can see why people might like the 64 type Zelda. Just give me the same great gameplay, and i'll be fine with Turbo Grafix-16 graphics, to tell you the truth. A link to the past graphics were cartoony, and i love it to this day...

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #6 on:** May 29, 2003, 03:57:21 PM »

"So, sorry if you got your hopes up for some sort of crazy dark Zelda game. I guess the rest of us will just have to settle with great gameplay and amazing animation."

Because great graphics automatically means the game sucks. ::rollseyes:: I swear, a lot of you guys are just broken records that spout out whatever you think Nintendo's stance is.

What Miyamoto ACTUALLY stated was that he would choose whatever graphical style he thought was best for the next Zelda- if he felt cell shading was wrong and a realistic approach was the way to go, he wouldn't hesitate to do so. Miyamoto does NOT hate realistic graphics- I don't know what got a lot of you into thinking that.

In any case, I'm fairly certain the next Zelda game will be cell shaded since it's confirmed it will be a sequel to Wind Waker (like MM was to OoT).

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #7 on:** May 29, 2003, 03:57:47 PM »

Why do so many gamers want to see an "adult Link"? That is half the reason the series is so inspiring: a little kid saving the world from the roots of evil. I don't know if it's just me, but I like playing as a younger Link more than an older one.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #8 on:** May 29, 2003, 04:05:27 PM »

Young Link is cooler. He used the Hylian shield like a turtle shell.

The Omen · « **Reply #9 on:** May 29, 2003, 04:13:24 PM »

how about you play as adult and young link, and the graphics switch midway through, hows that? GeezOs

ShockingAlberto · « **Reply #10 on:** May 29, 2003, 04:20:10 PM »

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
"So, sorry if you got your hopes up for some sort of crazy dark Zelda game. I guess the rest of us will just have to settle with great gameplay and amazing animation."

Because great graphics automatically means the game sucks. ::rollseyes:: I swear, a lot of you guys are just broken records that spout out whatever you think Nintendo's stance is.

What Miyamoto ACTUALLY stated was that he would choose whatever graphical style he thought was best for the next Zelda- if he felt cell shading was wrong and a realistic approach was the way to go, he wouldn't hesitate to do so. Miyamoto does NOT hate realistic graphics- I don't know what got a lot of you into thinking that.

In any case, I'm fairly certain the next Zelda game will be cell shaded since it's confirmed it will be a sequel to Wind Waker (like MM was to OoT).

I meant dark as in a way that betrays the fantasy aspect of Zelda, something neither Miyamoto nor Aounuma want. Also, Miyamoto is slowly giving the series to Aounuma, so you overestimate his decisions with Zelda at this point.

Also, if you're going to insult me, do your post right. CEL-SHADING. One L, not two.

-- ShockingAlberto

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #11 on:** May 29, 2003, 04:31:07 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill
Why do so many gamers want to see an "adult Link"? That is half the reason the series is so inspiring: a little kid saving the world from the roots of evil. I don't know if it's just me, but I like playing as a younger Link more than an older one.

I've always preferred older Link to younger Link. Young Link is a recent thing. I don't know why everyone thinks Link has always been a kid in Zelda. In the original Zelda, Link was 14. While that's hardly adult, its not its not the 8 year old Link from Ocarina of Time. I believe he was 15 or 16 in Zelda 2. Up until recently Link was a teen in each Zelda game and I just like that Link better. It comes down to immersion for me and some others. I'm more drawn into Zelda games that feature a teen/older Link. Ganondorf versus Young Link is just not a very climactic battle in my opinion.

Darc Requiem

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #12 on:** May 29, 2003, 04:40:53 PM »

I'm not a graphics afficiendo, but cell shading is an appropriate spelling. Afterall, I'm fairly certain the thing uses cells (hence the name?)

Miyamoto is indeed handing off the series, but he still makes all the ultimate decisions- don't underestimate Miyamoto's role in Zelda. Afterall, he created the thing.

And who are you to say you know what Miyamoto or Aonuma wants to do with the series? A lighter Zelda could just as easily betray the fantasy aspect of Zelda as would a darker Zelda. It's all in how the style is handled, and I know Miyamoto and Aonuma won't go wrong in that respect. Zelda's always changing, you know- I doubt Miyamoto will ever stick with one style for long.

Tael · « **Reply #13 on:** May 29, 2003, 05:04:03 PM »

cel-shading is correct, because it's trying to create graphics similar to an animation cel.

WhoDey · « **Reply #14 on:** May 29, 2003, 05:18:30 PM »

Miyamoto has stated in interviews that if the next Zelda features a young Link like WW, he'd prefer cell shaded graphics. But if they game featured an older Link, he'd look into using more realistic graphics. Personally, I hope it stays cell shaded because I love it.

Also, I'm pretty sure Capcoms games are NOT Four Swords and Tetra's Trackers. I haven't checked up on it but Miyamoto is quoted in EGM magazine as saying Capcom's Zeldas would probably feature graphics like those in Four Swords. I take that to mean it's not Four Swords. He also said they may be ready in about a year.

SatansNemesis · « **Reply #15 on:** May 30, 2003, 01:50:57 PM »

1) Miyamoto does NOT want the zelda game to be as graphiacly realistic as the SW2k demo. It could have a darker/more realistic tone, but he doesn't want it to go that far. I rememer an interview with him a while back during the 'Cel-duh' out cry where he made a comment about the emotional issue of the idea, and mentioned of links earing as one of the ways it was going too far (if anyone wishes to dispute this I am willing to hunt for the article, think it was on IGN).

2)Maybe capcom is making the new 4x swords as an addon game to the new single player zelda? making it longer and more worthwhile? And if nintendo ever gets its butt online, you could then in theory download more dungeons and worlds onto a memory card.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #16 on:** May 30, 2003, 02:10:48 PM »

"Miyamoto does NOT want the zelda game to be as graphiacly realistic as the SW2k demo. It could have a darker/more realistic tone, but he doesn't want it to go that far. I rememer an interview with him a while back during the 'Cel-duh' out cry where he made a comment about the emotional issue of the idea, and mentioned of links earing as one of the ways it was going too far (if anyone wishes to dispute this I am willing to hunt for the article, think it was on IGN)."

Seriously, where do you guys get this stuff? Miyamoto never said he didn't want Zelda as graphically realistic as the SW2K demo- you just twisted his actual statements which were that he didn't think it was right at the moment and that if he felt a realistic approach would be better, he'd go for it. I remember the interview you're talking about- he wasn't talking about Zelda in general but Wind Waker at that time.

And if you want to dispute MY claim, here's a quote from an interview IGN had with Miyamoto and Aonuma:

"As for whether or not we'll actually go and create a more realistic looking Zelda game, it's really a question of what kind of game the next one will be. Obviously the graphical style or methods of expressions that we choose will be highly dependent on what type of game it is. We haven't come up with the idea for the game yet, but once we do, we'll have to take a look at what the best method of expression will be for that game and so we'll go through that process. There is definitely the possibility that we will create a more realistic Zelda game."

NintendoKiD · « **Reply #17 on:** May 30, 2003, 02:23:53 PM »

I think a more realistic looking Zelda beats a cell shaded Zelda anyday. Cel shading was a new thing in the Zelda series, now thats its been done its time to move on to something different. Besides, all these other consoles are killing cel shading...have you seen that cell shaded racer for PS2?(forgot the name but it looks horrible) and that really crappy cel shaded wrestling game, ugh. Cel shading was cool the first time around, now its time for some regular good ol' Zelda. I also want the jump sword attack like in Link 2 or Zelda 2 or whatever you call it, thats such an awesome attack.

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 30, 2003, 02:31:50 PM »

I don't really care if its cel-shaded or not, but don't tease me (SP00') with a demo WITH ADULT LINK fighting in an epic battle. Young Link is cool but I can't take him seriously.....he just looks funny. Maybe if they made him look like the drawings in the manuals then I could like him. I geuss what i am saying is, either change what young link looks like (impossible the whole style of the world is like young link) or make cooler adult link, but don't give him scrawny legs like the rest of the villagers in WW.

EDIT: just a few mispellings

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #19 on:** May 30, 2003, 02:35:34 PM »

Very true, Don'tHate- when we originally shown Wind Waker and there was so much animosity, I think it wasn't because Zelda was now cell shaded, but because we were shown what Nintendo could do with a realistic Zelda and TOLD that's what we would get, only to have it taken away. If the original SW2K trailer had never been shown, I bet there wouldn't have been near as much uproar.

LinkMaster3000 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 30, 2003, 03:42:51 PM »

I do think Cel Shadeing fits Link better, espcially kid Link. I acuatlly like Kid Link more than Adult Link.

Oldskool · « **Reply #21 on:** May 30, 2003, 03:50:04 PM »

Do you think that the sea will be focused on in the WW sequal? I somehow have a feeling that they are going to take the sea out of the next game, and somehow add the sky there... I dunno it's just me.

ShockingAlberto · « **Reply #22 on:** May 30, 2003, 07:22:50 PM »

I just downloaded the Space World movie to see what was so great about it. I never watched it, because I knew it would only "dissapoint" me as so many people have said it would.

It's really not that amazing.

Ok, so we see Link and Ganondorf fighting with swords. There were better sword fights in Wind Waker that were much more epic. Also, I felt like I was watching Soul Calibur...it wasn't Zelda. There was no whimsy in it. Miyamoto has always put magic in to his games and this clip seemed like it was trying to be some sort of uber-fight which didn't focus on what made Zelda Zelda. Link is never as powerful as Ganon. He always beats him with his handed-down tools (Light arrows?) or the Master Sword.

I also don't get where people say Zelda is an inherintly dark game. It's quite good as it is. There's always been magic and whimsy to these games.

Also, CEL-SHADING. Cell = biological unit. Cel = animation cel. Wind Waker is not about biology.

-- ShockingAlberto

BlkPaladin · « **Reply #23 on:** May 30, 2003, 07:43:58 PM »

If its a sequal to WW, I doubt it. It will probally be centered on taming the new land they find.

joeamis · « **Reply #24 on:** May 30, 2003, 08:57:43 PM »

When I saw the "adult" link fighting gannon from spaceworld, i thought oh that looks impressive...
when I saw the first pics of WindWaker, I thought oh that looks impressive...
(the animation and expressions in WW are second to none)

I could care less if link is young or old... cel shaded or not
I just care about the gameplay, and it seems Nintendo will never mess that up so it's all good.

I do however like the cel-shaded graphics better, theyre more expressive
and fit the fantasy world of Zelda perfectly...

*hats off to Miyamato*

p.s. now quit BSing about Zelda being young or old cel or not, its just childish banter

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