Author Topic: E3 2012 Press Conferences - Days 2-3: Nintendo Main PC & 3DS PC (Read 117248 times)

broodwars · « **Reply #125 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:22:26 PM »

I don't understand how this press conference happened. Nintendo had the lowest bar of all the press conferences to surmount after yesterday's disappointing conferences, and they still managed to trip on the bar.

Louieturkey · « **Reply #126 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:35:03 PM »

They did better than M$ and Sony, but that isn't saying much. Glad the forums came back quick.

stevey · « **Reply #127 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:35:28 PM »

Summed up in one image:

Evan_B · « **Reply #128 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:37:23 PM »

That was abysmal.

Adrock · « **Reply #129 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:40:48 PM »

I wouldn't have minded all the non-gamer stuff that I won't buy if they announced Resident Evil 6 (even for a 2013 release) and showed what Retro Studios was working on. How did they manage to create a core gamer's console and controller yet push more casual gamer software? What is this? I don't even...

oohhboy · « **Reply #130 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:42:33 PM »

No one won this E3, there were only losers. ZombiU looked intriguing since they showed gameplay, but that is so going multiplatform.

I am happy stick with the 3DS and Steam for now.

Louieturkey · « **Reply #131 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:42:38 PM »

Adrock fainted.

Adrock · « **Reply #132 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:46:07 PM »

Nintendo used core gamer appeal. But nothing happened.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #133 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:46:17 PM »

It is inevitable that I will have a meeting the morning of Nintendo's E3 press conference. I seriously think I've missed like the last six because of that. So I go onto NWR to see the new games announced. Okay, so there's Pikmin 3. That's cool but I already knew about it. Same with NSMB Mii. So for new games announced I see Wii Fit U which is of no surprise at all. And that's it... Isn't there supposed to be some surprise or something? I don't feel like I have any worthwhile new information at all. This isn't some run-of-the-mill E3 showing, it's the last one before a new console launches! This is supposed to be a guaranteed "WOW!" show.

Plus they set up this pre-E3 thing to reveal Miiverse and they have this special 3DS thing all set up. It looks like "holy ****, Nintendo has so much they need three presentations" and yet this is it? I never expect Nintendo to blow me away ever anymore but I figured they have some cool new title to show off. Fuckin' lame.

Wii U remains a non-purchase for me. I do want Pikmin 3 but I won't buy a system for one game. I can always just wait for a price cut or something. Hell, the LESS successful the Wii U is, the quicker and cheaper I can get one for Pikmin 3.

Adrock · « **Reply #134 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:49:14 PM »

Quote from: Ian Sane on June 05, 2012, 01:46:17 PM

I don't feel like I have any worthwhile new information at all.

2 GamePad support. That was important even if it should have been confirmed last year.

They should have detailed their online strategy more.

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #135 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:51:38 PM »

It seems some of you don't understand Nintendo. Nintendo's core audience is, and will always be families and family friendly entertainment. In appealing to that audience they did a great job. NSMB U, Nintendo Land and Wii Fit U are three games that are guaranteed system sellers that will end up selling over 20 million copies each. I knew people wanted more games but in turns of a launch lineup, Nintendo's own software is pretty good. Hell, the Wii U is looking to have the strongest Nintendo launch lineup in the history of Nintendo systems.

Yeah it would have been nice to see Retro's new game, but chances are that game won't be ready until the end of 2013, so that's probably why they decided not to show it. Same thing with a lot of Nintendo's other series. Since the Wii U is Nintendo's first HD system, it's going to take longer for all of Nintendo's studio's to make games for it. All the games we saw from Nintendo on the Wii U were from EAD 2 and EAD 4. Both of these studio's last games were released in 2009, which means it took 3 years to make these games. So any studio that released a Wii game in 2010, isn't going to have a Wii U game ready until 2013.

stevey · « **Reply #136 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:57:42 PM »

E3 Press site & password:
http://press.nintendo.com/E32012/
Nintendo / E32012

UncleBob · « **Reply #137 on:** June 05, 2012, 01:57:53 PM »

Quote from: Luigi Dude on June 05, 2012, 01:51:38 PM

It seems some of you don't understand Nintendo. Nintendo's core audience is, and will always be families and family friendly entertainment. In appealing to that audience they did a great job. NSMB U, Nintendo Land and Wii Fit U are three games that are guaranteed system sellers that will end up selling over 20 million copies each.

Shh. Logic doesn't belong here. We should all be emotional and whiny.

But Nintendo didn't show games for meeeeeee. That's what Iiiiii wanted...

Killer_Man_Jaro · « **Reply #138 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:00:57 PM »

I'm not sure what to think. There were some great moments and some terrible moments in that presentation, so... I dunno.

Pikmin 3 got the conference off to an excellent start and Warner Brothers kept the momentum going. New Super Mario Bros U looks great, better than I expected. After that though, it started to lose me. I was pulled back in by the 3DS segment, plus Ubisoft had a pretty good output (amazingly, ZombiU might actually be a well-made launch title. The finale was, however, a let-down; Nintendo Land could be some shallow fun, but that demo went on far, far too long.

As for the software line-up overall, I think it's pretty solid. The third party scissor reels had some notable software. I think the impressions from the showfloor demos will be the deciding factor - I still need some affirmation that this will be a worthwhile launch.

Ymeegod · « **Reply #139 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:05:09 PM »

Ign has a couple of games listed that were left out of the E3 press show: Project P-100, and A new Warioware U game.

Project P-100 is being developed by Platinum Games and here's the info:
Earth is under attack from an invasion of enormous aliens, and the only thing that can protect the planet is a group of unlikely, yet mighty, heroes with special abilities. Unfortunately, the aliens are too powerful for the heroes to fight individually. They must join forces and work together to defeat their common enemy. These uniquely different heroes can morph into powerful weapons to crush the invaders or turn into objects like a giant fist or bridge to interact with and traverse the environments.
Players must explore each stage to find helpless citizens and recruit them to join their army of heroes. The more heroes you gather, the greater your Special Morph Powers will be.

Players can use the Wii U GamePad's touch screen to command heroes such as Bonzai Man, Vending Machine Man and even Toilet Bowl Man. Heroes can also morph into gelatin to guard themselves from enemy attacks.
Players can also use the GamePad to explore areas unseen on the TV screen and solve puzzle elements.
Platinum Games, known for hit titles like Bayonetta and MadWorld, has partnered with Nintendo to apply its unique talent to the development of one of the first games for Wii U.
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Might be one of the first games to use NFC (though that's an guess). Collect more heroes to unlock more abilities.

UncleBob · « **Reply #140 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:06:27 PM »

Both those games are on Nintendo's E3 site as well.

bustin98 · « **Reply #141 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:08:36 PM »

But when Nintendo says they are going to have a greater focus on the core, they really should deliver on that statement.

Another big omission: Darksiders II. Not even in the sizzle reel, even though the devs have given a lot of love to Nintendo.

UncleBob · « **Reply #142 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:09:15 PM »

Darksiders II was shown...?

broodwars · « **Reply #143 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:10:46 PM »

Quote from: bustin98 on June 05, 2012, 02:08:36 PM

But when Nintendo says they are going to have a greater focus on the core, they really should deliver on that statement.

Exactly. Nintendo said they were targeting "us" with the Wii U, and they failed to deliver on that. Hell, I'm not sure what Nintendo wanted with this press conference, because I don't think the casuals were well-served, either. Their focus was all over the place with that press conference, which reflects the confusion I think Nintendo's always projected with the Wii U.

If Nintendo wanted to have a casual-focused press conference, fine. I wouldn't like it, but I'd understand why they did it. But this entire conference was saying the Wii U was for one audience, under-serving them, and then saying the Wii U was for another audience (and then under-serving them, and so on).

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Another big omission: Darksiders II. Not even in the sizzle reel, even though the devs have given a lot of love to Nintendo.

No, I definitely saw Darksiders 2 on the sizzle reel that had Mass Effect 3 on it. It was the first game on the reel.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #144 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:11:04 PM »

My beef with the Wii was that it was like Nintendo had turned from being arguably the best videogame developer in the world to being the "sequels and casual ****" guys. And what is the Wii U thus far? Sequels and casual ****.

They did say they wanted to recapture the core market. This E3 sure doesn't suggest anything different than the Wii. So either Nintendo lied about trying to recapture the core market or they're just so damn clueless that they fail to realize that there is nothing here whatsoever to make anyone that didn't like the Wii, want to buy a Wii U.

I maintain that Nintendo used to just be a videogame company that made games for people that like videogames. They often made family friendly stuff but they didn't actually become kiddy until Iwata took over. They didn't become bland until Iwata took over. They make formulaic mass market product now. They used to push the envelope.

The Wii U is exactly what I would expect from Nintendo but I want something to change. Last gen turned me off of Nintendo and I hoped they could turn me back. They won't.

Adrock · « **Reply #145 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:27:42 PM »

Quote from: UncleBob on June 05, 2012, 01:57:53 PM

Shh. Logic doesn't belong here. We should all be emotional and whiny.

But Nintendo didn't show games for meeeeeee. That's what Iiiiii wanted...

There's a difference between whiny and disappointed. The presentation was a little uneven. This is E3. No one came to see Wii Fit again. No one. Nintendo has been talking about appealing to core gamers then spends more time on NintendoLand and Wii Fit U than anything else. Then, they brought 3rd party guys up to talking about dancing and singing. I understand that Nintendo can't show everything. That's not the expectation. If anyone was expecting (not simply hoping) for Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox AND F-Zero, take a chill pill and a nap. Last year, Nintendo did a really good job of showing off 3DS titles that wouldn't see release until later this year and even next. I had the same expectation for Wii U at this E3 which I think is reasonable considering there's precedent for it. Is Pikmin 3 even a launch title?

Additionally, the 3rd party situation is a little disconcerting as well. Nintendo isn't getting many ports of upcoming PS3/360 games. They still may. It's not all doom and gloom. However, no confirmation = disconcerting. I think it's fair to be a bit worried with Nintendo track record with 3rd party support the last 3 generations. The sizzle reel was almost the same as last year's with the exception of Mass Effect 3. Nintendo can't force 3rd parties to support them but I would have a little more faith in this push for core games and 3rd party support if I saw it. DMC and Tomb Raider both got delayed. It would have been nice if Nintendo scored ports.

Ultimately, I'm still going to buy one. Like I said, the presentation was good, not great. Depending on the launch line-up, I may wait until next year. I was almost certain I would be there at launch, but I think I might be able to get through this holiday season with my PS3. I didn't come away from the press conference thinking that Wii U going to be the run-away success that the Wii was which, admittedly, is an extremely tough act to follow. If a game I really want comes out in March 2013, right now I feel like I can walk into Best Buy, look around a bit and still pick up a Wii U and a copy of the game. I'm okay with that.

Quote from: Ian Sane on June 05, 2012, 02:11:04 PM

I maintain that Nintendo used to just be a videogame company that made games for people that like videogames. They often made family friendly stuff but they didn't actually become kiddy until Iwata took over. They didn't become bland until Iwata took over. They make formulaic mass market product now. They used to push the envelope.

I think you just grew up.

Shaymin · « **Reply #146 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:35:45 PM »

Everything they showed in the conference was launch -> launch window. Depending on how generous their definition of launch window is, that could be up to next E3. (Source: Reggie interview on SpikeTV).

Am I disappointed that they couldn't squeeze in P-100 because of NintendoLand/WiiFit U? A little bit, sure. But I've got more reasons to buy a WiiU right now than I do, say, the Vita.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #147 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:37:23 PM »

Another thing to note: where is the software that sells us on the second screen? I didn't care for Wii Sports but it was a pretty damn effective demo of motion control and it was a licence to print money. What product here is going to drive the demand for the system both with the core or casual? Okay so I have a map on the second screen in Pikmin 3. So? Is that really that big of a deal?

It comes across a lot like it actually IS: the same bullshit they introduced on the Gamecube ten years ago that they couldn't come up with a decent idea for then. The whole point of the gimmick feature is that it sells to rubes. They hoped that with the 3DS the 3D function was going to get casuals in a frenzy. That didn't happen but you can see why they hoped it would. But this? How does this even in theory create demand for the product? Who is going to be drawn to the system because it has this screen?

I'm underwhelmed from a core gamer perspective but, thinking about it, I can't see any real incentive for a casual gamer to upgrade from the Wii. Wii Sports was a REALLY exceptional title in that it had some new feature that fulfilled a lot of people's "dream game" ideas. The second they said "so the guy on the screen does what you do" - SOLD! The 3DS initially underperformed and while it had the cool gimmick in glasses-free 3D, it really didn't have a title that really effectively demoed it and was going to get people to buy the system. The Wii U doesn't seem to have the title or even the FEATURE the title would use. It isn't like you just throw on some novelty and the people come. It has to be a novelty that grabs their attention and fulfills some desire they've had deep down this whole time. The Wii took off because it was the first primitive step towards virtual reality. No one dreams about two screens.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #148 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:38:02 PM »

I still want one and will buy one at launch (and so will all of you), Pikmin 3 does look amazing, and I was impressed by ZombiU.

UncleBob · « **Reply #149 on:** June 05, 2012, 02:40:50 PM »

Quote from: Adrock on June 05, 2012, 02:27:42 PM

No one came to see Wii Fit again. No one.

No one except the retailers that sold 40+ Million Wii Fit units.

E3 is a show for retailers, investors and, to some extent, media.

It's a Trade Fair. It's not meant for us.

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