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With the prodigal Kid (Icarus) being so warmly received after an absence of 20 years, you might well ask which Nintendo series would benefit from a similar revival. Indeed, Nintendo has such a formidable stable of franchises that maintaining them all would be an almost impossible task. By having such a large cast to play with, however, Nintendo has the luxury of being in a position to bench a franchise for a generation or two, and we have seen this done with high profile series' like Kid Icarus and Metroid, and more recently F-Zero and Star Fox. This is not necessarily a bad thing and it can in fact be beneficial for the series. Putting a given franchise on hold for a few years can go some way towards preventing it from becoming stale and it can also be beneficial for the developers themselves, as rather than diving headlong into the next installment it allows for new ideas and concepts to evolve.

 
Pit might have been sorry to keep us waiting, but fans of the original were more than happy to see him return.

That's not to say that the reason Nintendo has not released a new F-Zero in recent years is because it is highly principled and does not wish to devalue the franchise (this is after all the same company who have strong-armed Mario into every genre under the sun).The reason Nintendo has not saw fit to release a new F-Zero game is more likely because it was a niche game which failed to meet sales expectations. As we saw with kid Icarus: Uprising, residual affection for a series can play a big part in whether or not a series is revived, but it also needs to have a market that it can be sold to. In other words, if a series is to see a revival it must not only satisfy existing fans, it must also be capable of bringing in new ones.
 
 
For this reason the launch of new hardware would seem to be a perfect time to revive a franchise. Not only does bringing back a popular franchise get existing fans of that series excited about the new console, the game itself is also likely to get a sales bump from those, who might not be familiar with the series but, have just bought the new system and want something to play on it.
 
 
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Successful revivals also tend to have a purpose. With the return of the Metroid series on the Gamecube for instance the intention seemed to be to provide an experience that would appeal to the western markets, where Nintendo was losing ground to their competitors. With Kid Icarus: Uprising, Nintendo's ambition was to make a game which would really show off what the 3DS was capable of. If and when Nintendo choose to revive a series for the Wii U, I think it's probable that there will be a strategic element to it.
 
 
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Had this question of reviving a dormant Nintendo franchise been posed a few years ago I would have jumped up and down screaming 'Sin & Punishment' at the top of my lungs. Being the insatiable and greedy gamer that I am, however, the franchise that I now wish to see revived is one which I believe meets the criteria stated above (i.e. one which has been dormant for several years, can be marketed to a certain demographic and which fulfills certain strategic considerations). This franchise holds a unique place in many Nintendo fans hearts and is often cited as one of the best games ever made. Unlike many video games which have been absent for 10 years, however, this game's systems and premise are such that it could easily be adapted for modern sensibilities. The return of this series might also go some way towards one of Nintendo's stated goals, which is to make a more concerted effort to engage 'core gamers'. Indeed, it is one of the few games Nintendo has produced which is aimed squarely at mature gamers. I speak of course of Eternal Darkness.
 
 
This oft-delayed epic was switched from N64 to Gamecube before being finally released in 2002.

 
What little we do know about the Wii U's hardware might also suggest some interesting new features for an Eternal Darkness sequel. For a start there is the fact that the Wii U is capable of pushing prettier graphics. The original Eternal Darkness, a game which was originally designed for the N64, was not the nicest looking game on the Gamecube, but it still had a certain artistry. From small things like particle effects and lighting, to beautifully crafted and seemingly authentic churches and temples, Eternal Darkness was an impressive looking game if not a notably pretty one. The thing that made the original so visually appealing was it's detail and density. Objects in the world were not merely painted backgrounds, they looked and felt like real objects, things which could be interacted with and would change as the game progressed. It's this sense of detail and authenticity that I see really benefitting from being on a more advanced console like the Wii U.
 
 
Canadian developer Silicon Knights, under Nintendo's guidance, were able to explore the psychological side of fear and insanity in a way that no other horror game had before.

There is also the matter of the tablet controller. One of the most unique and surprising features of the original Eternal Darkness was of course the 'Insanity Effects', which would alter the characters perception of their surroundings depending on the messed up things that they witnessed or the evil abominations they encountered. The Roivas family, who comprise some of the more important characters in the game, were prone to insanity and this mechanic provided an interesting look into the psyche of the characters themselves. The Wii U controller would seem well suited to providing even more brain scrambling effects. Not only could the controller be used to widen the scope of some of the more notable flourishes (blood pouring down the walls for instance), it might also be used as a sort of window into the game, allowing the player to see past the twisted visions and into the real world or vice versa. Using the tablet screen to display a different version of the world from that which is shown on the main screen might even allow the game to mess with the player by having them question which version is real.
 
Ultimately, what I want from an Eternal Darkness sequel is something which is inspired by the original but not beholden to it. I'd like to see the insanity effects return in some form, and I'd also like it to be able to convey, as effectively as the original, a sense of time and place. Beyond that I'd like a sequel to go in a crazy direction and totally throw me for a loop. I'd be fine with some of the characters from the original returning, but I think I'd prefer to see a completely new setting with new characters, tangentially related to the first but not easily connected to it. To me Eternal Darkness was all about the atmosphere and story. If a sequel can nail that, then I'm on board.
 
Which dormant Nintendo series do you feel would benefit from a revival? How would this series benefit from being on the Wii U? Let me know in the comments below.
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Re: Which dormant Nintendo franchise should be revived for Wii U?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2012, 10:11:37 AM »
I've said this before, but I want Nintendo to revive Star Tropics as their very own "Uncharted." I mean, it's simple, really. Mike already does a ton of platforming and puzzle solving - just like Nathan Drake. The only difference would be in Mike's weaponry. In terms of guns, Mike could get a hold of a fairly robust, zany alien arsenal... expanding upon what was already in the previous two games. Of course, he'd keep his yo-yo and baseball bat, but maybe a magic-based dual-analog aiming system could be created to shoot different elemental attacks (fire, ice, earth, aero, etc.) - this would replace Uncharted's equivalent of all the differing guns that Nathan gets to play with.

And the similarities already exist that a good portion of Mike's adventure takes place in/on a tropical island setting. And it would be easy to expand it from there.

And, of course, I'd only want Retro Studios to craft this fantasy adventure. After seeing the level of detail those guys put into the Metroid Primes, they would do wonders for the tropical island setting for Star Tropics.

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2012, 11:56:51 AM »
Excitebike damnit.  Trials is coming close to what ole excitebike (NES) was but it still lacks real multiplayer support (all it has is leaderboards).

Also RC Pro Am--not sure who owns this Rare or Nintendo but damn I loved that game.

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 12:29:59 PM »
I wouldn't mind seeing these two in a real fleshed out console game on Wii U.  Maybe take the KI:U approach and make it totally different than its original and maybe make it a full 3D game with a story, cut-scenes, voice acting, boss fights, ya know, the works.


For a more silly approach, I would love a Wii U revival of Sheriff. Make it Nintendo's Red Dead Redemption.

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Re: Which dormant Nintendo franchise should be revived for Wii U?
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 01:46:19 PM »
i was going to start an Eternal Darkness 2 thread, but stopped myself because if im going to make an eternal darkness thread it had better be fantastic, that is considering it was my dream in high school 10 years ago to work at silicon knights, for which iv been too hesitant to apply. 

So I would like to shift the focus to Mach Rider or Star Tropics, both of which could be revived in name only and be totally awesome because Wii U has horsepower. Mach Rider takes place in a post apocalyptic world, which is hot right now, and Star Tropics is like Zelda in a lush modern environment.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 01:49:14 PM »
I still personally think that Wave Race would make a great deal of sense as a launch game. It's suitable as a visual showcase, but it's also a constrained enough concept (arcade-style racing) that it shouldn't be the kind of game that'd take an exorbitantly long time to make.

In fact, it fills the same niche as the excite truck series filled for the Wii.
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Re: Which dormant Nintendo franchise should be revived for Wii U?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2012, 02:13:14 PM »
With the way Dennis Dyack has been teasing Eternal Darkness, I feel like a sequel is inevitable. It must absolutely be called Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Redemption.

I'm going to go with Mach Rider. I never played the original but I feel like there's some potential there.

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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2012, 02:57:46 PM »

Nintendo could make that brown palette game everyone wants



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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2012, 08:53:19 PM »
Also RC Pro Am--not sure who owns this Rare or Nintendo but damn I loved that game.


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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 09:14:51 PM »
hmm well its hard to say who owns really old rare properties. TradeWest used to publish all rares old stuff, but they are out of business as far as i know.

edit: well they were out of business, but through the magic of acquisitions they are un-out of business.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2012, 09:27:20 PM »
At one point I was going to have a joke prediction on my E3 bingo card that Retro's game was going to be a gritty reboot of Ice Climber.
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 09:41:17 PM »
At one point I was going to have a joke prediction on my E3 bingo card that Retro's game was going to be a gritty reboot of Ice Climber.

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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2012, 10:33:18 PM »
At one point I was going to have a joke prediction on my E3 bingo card that Retro's game was going to be a gritty reboot of Ice Climber.

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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2012, 06:03:14 AM »
Screw revivals. I just want to see more cheesey mock-ups from Perm. Now do Mappy!
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2012, 09:17:34 AM »
I want to see a Yoshi's Island WiiU game.  Also, I think Mother as a funky MMO game would be cool...but don't make it a 3D MMO game...but keep it sprite based...just create an amazingly beautiful 2D top down world with using actual sprites...this could make the game unique and fun.

Hmm....Also, I think Nintendo doing a traditional Nintendo Arcade game...that collected Nintendo's classic arcade games (and yes buy the rights to Popeye) and releasing Nintendo's original arcade games pixel perfect and then release updated versions that keeps the single screen nonscrolling gameplay.  Then release brand new games in that same genre and feel. 


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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2012, 12:09:00 PM »
Also, I think Mother as a funky MMO game would be cool...but don't make it a 3D MMO game...but keep it sprite based...just create an amazingly beautiful 2D top down world with using actual sprites...this could make the game unique and fun.
I loved Earthbound, but I don't think I'd want to see this until Shigesato Itoi was involved. He's gone on record a few times stating that he wouldn't make Mother 4 though he wouldn't mind if someone else made it so he could experience it as a player. The Mother series was Shigesato Itoi's baby. Even if he gave his blessing, the game would feel like an imitation. Itoi created the characters, invented the world, and wrote the dialog. It's one thing to put Ness and Lucas in Smash Bros. but having someone else try to handle a universe (as Mother 4 or an MMO) no one will ever understand as well as Itoi just doesn't feel right to me.

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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2012, 12:37:06 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2012, 01:54:26 PM »
Screw revivals. I just want to see more cheesey mock-ups from Perm. Now do Mappy!

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2012, 04:04:56 PM »
I want to see the Mario Paint franchise revived. With the tablet controller there has never been a better time for this to happen.
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2012, 05:05:55 PM »
The three games I would love to return are Wave Race, F-Zero and 1080, With online multiplayer and leaderboards. Basically what they done before with Mario Kart Wii but better.

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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2012, 05:16:04 PM »
I want to see the Mario Paint franchise revived. With the tablet controller there has never been a better time for this to happen.

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2012, 07:26:41 PM »
Excellent work on Mappy. Spanky's Quest, anyone?

I loved Eternal Darkness back in the day, but I have a suspicion that it really wouldn't hold up if I went back and played it again. I would definitely be interested in a sequel, but it seems pretty clear that Silicon Knights does not have its **** together, particularly after that X-Men game. Was Nintendo particularly involved in ED's production, or was Silicon Knights just not able to adapt into the current era (sort of like what happened to Rare)?

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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2012, 07:41:21 PM »
I went back and replayed Eternal Darkness a couple of years ago and it held up surprisingly well. Other games did not.

Castlevania: Lament of Innocence was almost a chore. I remember really, really enjoying that game back in what, 2003. It had only been 5-6 years since I played it the first time. I don't think I got that far into it.

The original God of War particularly rough even remastered. All the subsequent games made very significant changes. I trudged through the game so I could play the games in order in preparation of III.

Anyway, if Eternal Darkness gets a sequel (come on E3!), I'll definitely pop the old Gamecube disc in and play through it again. The graphics won't hold up but I can't imagine it not holding up now if it held up for me in like 2008-2009.

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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2012, 08:54:07 PM »
I loved Eternal Darkness, but I remember it feeling slow as **** and restricting after playing Prince of Persia and Resident Evil 4. Still love the gameplay of Eternal Darkness. Actually, thinking specifically about Eternal Darkness, its a game that translates very well to the Wii-U controller. Now you could manage your spells and cast them without fiddling around with shortcut keys and a bunch of menus, and even so, you could still use short cut keys. Then again, because of the touch screen the game can become more action based because buttons are freed up to do more action-y type stuff. Plus the game was designed for n64 originally. Wii U has some POWER
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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2012, 03:20:23 AM »
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