Topic: Wii U in Review (News & Rumor Consolidation)

[tendoboy1984]

So you're suddenly a video games industry expert that can discredit the words of CliffyB, one among other industry veterans who have voiced similar views?

Since when are we, the consumers, responsible for the high costs of video game development? Because that's the crux of Cliffy B's "analysis".  If the numbers don't work, find a way to make production cheaper instead of blaming something that is perfectly legal.

Going digital will also not kill the used market. So developers need to focus their energies into other issues.

This this this! Developers and publishers have only themselves to blame for their bloated game engines, increased spending, over-hiring of employees resulting in mass layoffs, etc. It's called being conservative with your resources, don't overspend when you can't afford the losses.

[Kytim89]

So you're suddenly a video games industry expert that can discredit the words of CliffyB, one among other industry veterans who have voiced similar views?

Since when are we, the consumers, responsible for the high costs of video game development? Because that's the crux of Cliffy B's "analysis".  If the numbers don't work, find a way to make production cheaper instead of blaming something that is perfectly legal.

Going digital will also not kill the used market. So developers need to focus their energies into other issues.

This this this! Developers and publishers have only themselves to blame for their bloated game engines, increased spending, over-hiring of employees resulting in mass layoffs, etc. It's called being conservative with your resources, don't overspend when you can't afford the losses.

In a way it is the consumers fault as well. I mean we reward game studios and console makers for make bigger and better products, so they are incentive to keep raising the bar. The issue is really the tanking global and currency fluctuations that cause profits to be lost in some regions and not others.


Incompetent leadership is another reason.

[Adrock]

Are consumers in general really rewarding them if most of those games underperform?

[TJ Spyke]

Currency fluctuations is bull and has nothing to do with it, this has been happening for decades.

As for "rewarding" big budget games, if a game is good I will buy it regardless of whether it cost $5,000 to make or $50 million. Studios can, and do, make profit on low budget games too.

[Soren]

In a way it is the consumers fault as well. I mean we reward game studios and console makers for make bigger and better products, so they are incentive to keep raising the bar...

Yeah, I'm going to stop you right there. We buy games from studios because they are good, not because they have astronomical budgets. The only incentive they have is to keep making better games, so we keep buying them. They chose to "raise the bar" and keep pumping money indiscriminately instead of finding cheaper production methods.

[shingi_70]

On some of the early discussion.  Nintendo does have Ads in the UI.  That's what those bubbles up top are.  They are ads with human testimonial.  Its a great concept.  One that may pay off more when the system has a wider range of Non-Platformer games.

I wonder how much this works in place of Traditional Advertising. I know Sony is using this Type of advertising by showing your friends actions/. Microsoft looks to be doing both having the their traditional ad's on the dashboard, while also having a section for trending.
 
Don't have a Wii U but has Wara Wara Plaza/Miiverse help you decide to get other games. 

[RedBlue]

On some of the early discussion.  Nintendo does have Ads in the UI.  That's what those bubbles up top are.  They are ads with human testimonial.  Its a great concept.  One that may pay off more when the system has a wider range of Non-Platformer games.

I wonder how much this works in place of Traditional Advertising. I know Sony is using this Type of advertising by showing your friends actions/. Microsoft looks to be doing both having the their traditional ad's on the dashboard, while also having a section for trending.
 
Don't have a Wii U but has Wara Wara Plaza/Miiverse help you decide to get other games. 

No because the wara wara plaza doesn't work like that. Only the communities that have the most activity show up. I often see YouTube and Netflix on my plaza.

[Spak-Spang]

It isn't advertising...as much as it is social gaming communication.  Companies are not paying to get there games listed.  Instead, they are just posting games when there is activity by you or your friends.

[Soren]

Looks like another Indie Kickstarter is trying to come over to Wii U
Armikrog is a "claymation" looking game from the makers of Neverhood

Wii U is part of their stretch goal, but they have already officially signed on with Nintendo
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog/posts/518224

The game has been funded and the Wii U stretch goal reached.

[shingi_70]

whelp shadow of the eternals is probably dead.

[Adrock]

It was probably dead before the whole child pr0n thing.

[shingi_70]

It was probably dead before the whole child pr0n thing.

well yeah but this kills any chance of new lower price kickstarter working or abigger company picking the game up. Seems something that both Sony and Microsoft would be interested in. (especially with Microsoft wanting to invest in episodic style content).

[Adrock]

The child pr0n thing has nothing to do with Precursor Games as a whole. It's not like the company was fostering that activity. It was one person supposedly engaging in that on his own time. If you work for Target and you murder someone at like a bar or something, people aren't going to blame Target. This draws unnecessary bad publicity to Precursor Games by association, but the company itself hasn't done anything wrong (that we know of). If they have an engaging product, the behavior of one individual outside of company time shouldn't affect their business.

I don't think Microsoft was going anywhere near the sequel to Silicon Knights considering how much money they sank into Too Human without any real return on that investment. I always felt like Nintendo would be the most interested publisher considering their ties to Dyack and Silicon Knights (they're apparently on good terms). If they didn't bite yet, I'm not confident in that changing.

[BlackNMild2k1]

whelp shadow of the eternals is probably dead.

It was probably dead before the whole child pr0n thing.

He was the founder of Precursor and Director of content at SK...  no wonder they could never get a game out. Everyone else was too busy trying to explain to him why they couldn't include inspiration from his favorite hobby into the games.

The child pr0n thing has nothing to do with Precursor Games as a whole. It's not like the company was fostering that activity. It was one person supposedly engaging in that on his own time. If you work for Target and you murder someone at like a bar or something, people aren't going to blame Target. This draws unnecessary bad publicity to Precursor Games by association, but the company itself hasn't done anything wrong (that we know of). If they have an engaging product, the behavior of one individual outside of company time shouldn't affect their business.

I don't think Microsoft was going anywhere near the sequel to Silicon Knights considering how much money they sank into Too Human without any real return on that investment. I always felt like Nintendo would be the most interested publisher considering their ties to Dyack and Silicon Knights (they're apparently on good terms). If they didn't bite yet, I'm not confident in that changing.

And the guy was the founder.

If Bill gates was busted for an underground slave ring, I would think MS would be boycotted by the masses. Luckliy no one really knows who Precursor is, so they still have time to "re-brand" and recreate themselves.

[Adrock]

It's damaging to public perception, but one man's actions aren't indicative of an entire company's culture or the other people who work there even if the man in question was the co-founder. These charges have absolutely nothing to do with what Precursor Games does as a company. I'm not denying that some people will boycott company A because employee B of company A was charged with felony C. That happens because of the nature of people. However, I would like to give most people the benefit of the doubt and say they won't associate Ken McCulloch's charges with the entirety of Precursor Games. "Ken McCulloch was arrested on charges of child pornography possession and distribution. He cofounded Precursor Games. Therefore, Precursor Games supported/aided/harbored a criminal." Some people will be that stupid. Some. Not all. Not even most. I hope anyway.

[Spak-Spang]

The difference between Target and Microsoft and Precursor games is vast.

Precursor games is a small business with only a handful of employees.  Each core employee is important in maintaining the balance of the company and its ability to create a product.

But Target and Microsoft can lose a single person without a problem.  Even very high up managers could get axed with little effect to the corporation.

Precursor games is also a company with no history, no backing, and very little support...it also just lost one of its key members to a horrible crime that nobody supports or defends.  This is a PR nightmare...and the only thing they can hope is that the company is so small nobody had noticed them yet. 

Except, the core audience that would of crowd funded their game has already noticed them...and has already read this story. 

No the company is dead and done.  They might as well just rename the game, and company, and start all over.  But even that probably won't work. 

[BlackNMild2k1]

Ubisoft thinks "second screen" gaming is the future.

They are currently focusing on PS4/XB1, but will consider Wii U if it makes sense....

   

At an earlier interview with Ubisoft chief executive officer Yves Guillemot, GamesIndustry International had a chance to ask him about the company's second-screen experiment.

"I'm convinced it's the future," Guillemot told us. "What I like in second-screen play is its accessibility, which means different types of people can play. Those who don't know how to play with the [controller] or don't like to play with it can use touch. So that's the first good element."

"With Assassin's Creed III, we were involved on the Wii U version. The Wii U was kind of the pioneer of the connected tablet interface. This gave us some ideas for the first iteration of tablets connected with console games," said Rioux.

Unfortunately, while the Wii U was the beginning, Ubisoft Quebec's current focus is creating a cohesive experience between the Xbox One/PlayStation 4 and mobile devices. The studio is not committed to bringing some of these new experiences to the Wii U platform.

"It's not confirmed yet, but if it's possible to do it and it makes sense, yes we will provide some kind of experience on the Wii U. Our focus is on the new generation of Microsoft and Sony consoles," explained Rioux.

I realize their scope goes beyond the connectivity of the Wii U, but come on!!!

[Caterkiller]

Well the fantasy world that we lived in while Wii was a cultural phenomon is over and now Nintendo fans are back to reality. This is life as we have known it and will know it.

[Adrock]

Thanks, BlackNMild. I feel like **** punting Yves Guillemot. And not as a Nintendo fan, just out of principle for that assault on rational thinking. No, I don't care if he's male.

[RABicle]

No the company is dead and done.  They might as well just rename the game, and company, and start all over.  But even that probably won't work. 

They already did that remember? They used to be called Silicon Knights. They reshuffled staff, moved offices, renamed Eternal Darkness 2 to Shadows of the Eternals and kept all the old equipment and work they'd done. They even still had some of those funds they'd embezzled off Activision.

[Spak-Spang]

No the company is dead and done.  They might as well just rename the game, and company, and start all over.  But even that probably won't work. 

They already did that remember? They used to be called Silicon Knights. They reshuffled staff, moved offices, renamed Eternal Darkness 2 to Shadows of the Eternals and kept all the old equipment and work they'd done. They even still had some of those funds they'd embezzled off Activision.

3rd times a charm....right?

[shingi_70]

Like I said in the thread I posted its weird the Wii U is being ignored while second screen gaming is becoming more prevalent. Well not weird just the sad reality of the Industry and how it feels about Nintendo.


In the latest issue of Edge Nintendo are barely mentioned  getting a Paragraph about their E3 coverage at the tail end of a PS4 head bobbing article. (to be fair Xbox One got a whole page on why its going to fail).




Kamiya is concerned that Nintendo isn't going to market the Wonderful 101 that much.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614076

[alegoicoe]

Like I said in the thread I posted its weird the Wii U is being ignored while second screen gaming is becoming more prevalent. Well not weird just the sad reality of the Industry and how it feels about Nintendo.


In the latest issue of Edge Nintendo are barely mentioned  getting a Paragraph about their E3 coverage at the tail end of a PS4 head bobbing article. (to be fair Xbox One got a whole page on why its going to fail).




Kamiya is concerned that Nintendo isn't going to market the Wonderful 101 that much.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614076

Edge is outdated and their journalism sucks.

[pokepal148]

Currency fluctuations is bull and has nothing to do with it, this has been happening for decades.

As for "rewarding" big budget games, if a game is good I will buy it regardless of whether it cost $5,000 to make or $50 million. Studios can, and do, make profit on low budget games too.

But big budget games market well to more casual players. case and point Call of Duty

[Soren]

Capcom Unity just confirmed Duck Tales release date: Aug 13 for Wii U eShop. $15.


There's a physical copy with a download code and a pin, but it's PS3 only.