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Offline Gamefreak

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« on: May 18, 2003, 04:16:58 AM »
Really, they are!

Well, ok, so the guy makes a few minor points, but he is so biased and narrow-minded that it totally negates any positive aspects of his essay, if you can even call it that. I wrote far more professional essays in middle school, let alone compared to my 21 page essay which I turned in last week for Mr. Orff's AP World History class (a college class too, oh and I got a 1100 out of 1100, yay! I have a 5.0 GPA now!).

While there are plenty of teenage boys who succeed in making you feel like the most intelligent person in the world, this man needs to give some credit to the fairly large number of extremely smart teenage boys running around in our fair country (a number that is actually quite a bit larger than the number of extremely smart girls running around too, unlike the author seems to believe). In fact, that response from Suzanne was probably the worst one, although it did have better grammar than the one from that boy with the miserable life...

As far as his view on games, it's incredibly flawed, so much that I won't even bother trying to correct his misconceptions or inform him of the many great modern games that have been released that he has obviously not heard of or played for more than 10 minutes.

His criticisms on modern games has no ground as well. He says in a shooting game, you shoot someone, move down a hall, and do the same thing over again! Last time I checked, in his great games like Donkey Kong, you jumped over barrels to get to your girlfriend! And then you did it again! Wow, how awe-inspiring.

Don't get me wrong, Donkey Kong was great, but so are games like Metroid Prime, which he as probably never laid eyes on.

So...discuss. And please try to speak with good grammar and make valid points as I might email this thread to him...

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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2003, 04:58:40 AM »
You know, I read the thread name and I thought you turned on us there Gamefreak! Haha. Good to know you're, in fact, sane, and you're tlaking about about another guy. Haha.

I'm reading it now.

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Ok, this guy is, you can clearly tell, a guy who only likes old school games.
I think there's someone out there who can criticise him better than I can.
As a student of the journalism profession, I don't have any rage against him or anything, I respect his point of view. But as a gamer of this generation, I can't help but laugh. He does have valid points, but most of them are not backed up very well.

There are three reply pages: PRO, which supports him, CON, which disses him, and MIXED, which does neither. I'm not going to reply, though. Just reading all the replies is hard enough. We can just discuss it here. I'll just give the guy a link to this thread.
Oh wait, you can't give him any more CON letters.

In the MIXED responses, look at Kirk Israel's and David's replies. Very nice.
I think the CON responses would be all the intial reactions to the essay. You know. People like us, as soon as we read that it's like 'Oh MY GAD IS THIS GUY TEH F**KING LOSERISH OR SOMTINF?' and we immediately go for the CON page. It's funny to read them, there's lots of cussing. Haha.
In the PRO responses, all the people there are either losers like him, or programmers trying to make it in the industry, but can't. It's not surprising though, that he falls under the latter catgegory. The guy makes games, but only old school style games.
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2003, 10:06:36 AM »
o_O sure alot of new games suck, but then so do alot of old games -_- as soon as i read his complaints about repetativeness and then he says he likes donkey kong, i mean come on can you get a bigger contradiction. pretty much all old games ARE repetative, as the technology of the day wouldn't be able to do much else
blargh, *hulk smash* go back to your puzzle games you chess hater >=|

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2003, 10:09:44 AM »
Since all of his sections are labelled "(something) is/are stupid", I'm didn't even bother reading the essay.  I knew it would be bad and biased.

I read the first three paragraphs.  In many video games, yes, the player usually just does go around and shoots stuff and then shoots some more stuff, which is very repetitive (this is why I like Nintendo so much; they don't do this).  However, to say that old video games are not repetitive is nonsense.  Pacman was the same damn level 100 times over.  The games that weren't repetitive in that matter are the same as the new video games, in the way that you just go around and kill people a whole bunch.  In my opinion, video games have always been very good, but if done right, they only get better.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2003, 12:47:28 PM »
Who remembers Goof Troop on SNES?
That game was filled with HARDCORE puzzles to solve.
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2003, 03:55:07 PM »
It was too long for me to read.  I have no problems reading long articles if I think that I will get something out of them, but this one was long, and I knew it would be horribly written and based on stupidity more than anything.

Suffice to say that the title convinced me that GameFreak was right.  Anyone that has such a thesis on an essay should know that they are wrong before they start.
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2003, 05:21:53 PM »
The guy does raise a few interesting points, but they're far outweighed by his unwillingness to look at both sides of the issue. When you go into a subject with an outcome in mind, of course you're going to end up at that outcome. He contradicts himself so many times I thought he was doing it on purpose after awhile. There was the Donkey Kong thing with repetition as Game Freak pointed out, but another thing he mentions is twitch game, which he particularly rails on in the section entitled Gamers are Incredibly Stupid. If anything, twitch games are on the decline FROM the "golden age of gaming". Shooters and fighters of yesteryear required extremely fast reaction times (and by shooters I mean top-down shooters, not FPS's), and those genres aren't getting a lot of attention in recent times. He praises Tetris in the opening- apparently he hasn't gotten that far into the game because it requires *insanely* fast reaction time to get those blocks in space. Action/adventure games are on the rise and those require more thinking than twitching.

Unfortunately his misconception that modern gamers are idiots dictates the rest of his article- when you're riding on a false pretense, every conclusion you come to will be wildly off base- he doesn't realize this at all. His section about critics didn't even really pertain to the situation- even if it did, it was basically him going "critics SUXX0RZ". We need a bit more to back up your opinion than that, man.

His section about game designers REALLY pissed me off. The guy basically claims they're not creative anymore and hence games today suck. Does the guy even know what he's talking about? I'm not about to say that all game designers are geniuses, but he'd be a fool to not recognize some of the top people in the industry. Look at Shigeru Miyamoto, look at Will Wright, look at Peter Molyneaux (I doubt he even knows who that is), look at Denis Dyack, look at Hideo Kojima, look at Shinji Mikami- need I go on? These are just a few people who have been innovating and revolutionizing the industry since they broke into it, and the author BLATANTLY disregards them so he can have another section in his little article to bash videogames in.

Now the LAST section is the real clincher, where he really proves his inability to see both sides of the issues. He claims the reason videogames suck now is because of 1) realism and 2) the switch into 3D. Yes, realism and 3D CAN hurt games, or at least hold them from their potential, but to say that this happens to ALL games is ludicrous. You simply can't restrict EVERY game to one type of format and expect the new ideas to go on indefinitely! It just doesn't happen that way- he has to realize that many games benefit from both realism AND 3D. Obviously this guy hasn't played some modern games- some series best installments have been their first forays into 3D (Zelda, Mario, and Metroid, just to name a few). If he had played OoT, SM64, OR Metroid Prime, I think he'd retract every comment he made, no matter how much it'd make him look like a hypocrite (if it's even possible for him to be MORE of one). I think he's crazy, though- he compares this whole thing to silent comedies and how they're funnier than current comedies. Again, OBVIOUSLY this man has skipped over some extremely influential "talkie" comedies- Clerks, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Young Frankenstein, Caddyshack, etc. No doubt old silent comedies were astounding, but don't ignore the good talkie comedies.

I think what this guy's problem is is complexity- old games and silent movies used to be very simple, but since then both industries have gotten much more complicated. I don't know if this guy just can't wrap his brain around too many things at once, or if he's just plain stupid, but complexity is nothing to be afraid of, and many things actually benefit from it. Look at games like Ocarina of Time or Metroid Prime or indeed almost all modern RPG's- these games aren't simple little 30 minute jaunts- they're very complex games that rack the mind with hundreds of things going on at once. He dislikes modern games, it appears, because there's too much to think about, and he uses his little titles and headlines to wrap around his true underlying feeling. In a sentence, he's incredibly biased and narrow minded, filtering out any opinion contrary to his own, which only keeps him on his steady downward spiral.

Here's the funniest thing in his article, though:

"My essay had an inauspicious beginning. At first I was sure it would be published in a magazine, but it was rejected by two print magazines and one on-line magazine. So in August, 2001, I decided I would just post it on my site."

No wonder they turned him down- most respected magazines won’t print close-minded editorials whose only goal is to bash a piece of modern American culture. The guy should've gotten the hint and stopped right there- sometimes persistence will only make people think even less of you. You have to know when to give it up.
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2003, 05:52:00 PM »
one word.
"idiot".
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2003, 08:19:50 PM »
Good comments from everyone. And of course magazines would turn the essay down. First of all, he calls magazine editors stupid! But of course, the entire essay is extremely poorly written, follows no standard format, heck, it doesn't even have a proper thesis! Also, "stupid" is an incredibly immature word that shouldn't be included in an essay that is supposedly professional.

Oh, and yes, he isn't posting any more con emails, but that doesn't mean he won't read them. Once this thread is a little older I'm going to email it to him.  

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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2003, 08:46:58 PM »
Dear Mr. Abbot,

    I agree with you in some aspects, and disagree in others.
As far as my videogame experience, I've owned the following systems at one time or another.
Atari 5200, Atari 7800, Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, Nintendo Gamecube, Gameboy, Gameboy pocket, Gameboy color, Gameboy Advance, Genesis, Sega's 32x, Sony Playstation, Sony Playstation 2, Virtual Boy, and Dreamcast.  I recently found a Commodore 64 but have yet to even turn it on.  I listed all those systems so you would get an idea that I have an extensive videogame background.
    Now to your article.  First I agree with you that many games today are just plain stupid.  Having grown up with quality gameplay titles, I can see this.  An assortment of games today rely heavily on button mashing, something that did not really exist too much in the 70's and 80's generation of games.  
   Second, I have to disagree with that today's gamers are incredibly stupid.  First of all, there are two types of "gamers" that exist today... 1, the hardcore gamers and 2, the mainstream gamers.  The hardcore gamers usually only buy quality games, while the mainstream (which includes many more millions of people than the hardcore) look for the type of game that doesn't require much thought and is easy to pick up and play.  So this equates into companies making games which can be too simple.
    Third, you say videogame critics are incredibly stupid.  I'm 50/50 on this one.  I subscribe to one gaming magazine and generally use the internet for further information.  I find that some critics are shallow and others do a great job.
    Fourth, you say videogame designers are also stupid.  Yes, some of them are while some of them are not.  The best designer in the world in my opinion is shigeru miyamato.  He has created many incredible franchises, such as Mario and Zelda.  He recently showed off a new Pacman game at the Electronics Expo (E3) this year.  His version of Pacman works like this: one player controls Pacman and 3 other players control ghosts.  While the player controlling Pacman can see the entire maze he must traverse through, the 3 "ghosts" players can only see a portion of the maze.  So this equates into a very fun strategic element.  The 3 "ghosts" must communicate to find Pacman.  Once someone catches Pacman, that player becomes Pacman and the latter Pacman becomes a ghost.
    Fifth, you comment that computer technology has vastly improved since 1990.  No doubt here... The con of this is that developers are creating games where they really only rely on sharp graphics and sound, while avoiding making a fun gameplay experience.  The pro of this though, is that developers can now make artificial intelligence that is continuously gaining closer, to the intelligence of another person.
   As far as your remarks on mazes... here's a modern version of your maze in disguise... the game Midnight Club 2 for the Sony Playstation 2.  The game takes place in real cities (Los Angeles, Paris, and Tokyo).  The objective in the car races is to make it to each checkpoint until you reach the last checkpoint, i.e. finish.  Since the game takes place in open-ended cities, you're free to choose any route of your desire.  In this sense it perfectly emulates games that used the top down view in a mazelike environment.  But, your other complaint was that you cannot see the entire environment in 3rd person view.  The developers of Midnight Club 2, fixed this by including an on screen map which shows you every street and landmark (including the checkpoints).  The map can be zoomed in and out as well, (there are 3 zoom settings).  Beyond the simple map, you can pull up a map (while in play) that shows the entire city visible.
    So all in all, there are still amazing videogames today.  Unfortunately the market is also being flooded with mediocre, at best, titles.  It's no wonder I play my new systems 50% less than my older ones (even one generation back).

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2003, 11:20:56 PM »
Don't forget, anyone can be incredibly stupid too!
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2003, 11:33:48 PM »
Yes, but just because you are acting stupid doesn't mean you ARE stupid.

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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2003, 03:33:53 PM »
Joe,

Thanks for the letter.  It would make a good addition to my
"Mixed" section, but I'm now thinking about removing the essay
from my site.  Mostly it just generates nasty letters from people
who are mad because I called them stupid.  I'll replace the essay
with a notice that any magazine (either print or on-line) is
welcome to the essay if they want to give it a home.

In your long list of game systems, you missed the ones that I
had.  I had Colecovision, which I thought had the best games.  
I also used a TRS-80 for a long time.  It had some good games,
especially the text adventure games by Scott Adams.  I programmed
Kriegspiel (the chess variation not the video game) on the TRS-80
and it was published by Creative Computing.  Unfortunately, only
about ten people bought it.

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2003, 08:14:13 PM »
Hmm...well seems this guy doesn't mean anything bad or anything, but just enjoys old school games. But still, that's no reason to bash on what other people like. It' time to grow up..

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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2003, 05:55:17 PM »
Like, totally.
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2003, 03:35:04 AM »
I think old school games are better then new school.  Sure the new school have better graphics but old school have something that the newer games just dont have
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2003, 12:06:20 PM »
The guy may not have mean intentions, but he should think twice before mindlessly bashing something like modern videogames. If he wants to make a case that oldschool games are better, go right ahead, but he chose to drop all pretenses of informed opinions and went right to railing on modern videogames- it's unprofessional. I hope he wasn't surprised he got nasty letters.
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2003, 08:49:42 AM »
I think this guy needs a good shot of Pikmin.

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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2003, 02:21:38 PM »
I disagree.

Lock him in a room with a 50" TV, GC-GBA-Player setup, with a copy of URBAN YETI.
Keep him in the room until he begins to look like a yeti.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2003, 02:34:02 PM »
Old school is just running around blowing stuff up at random.  I love it
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