Topic: So...I just bought a Sega Saturn..

[jrlibrarian]

Yep. You read that right. I found one on eBay in its original box, with two controllers, and 11 games. All for around $60. When I have more funds, I'm planning to grab the Action Replay thing that'll let me play import games. What the hell did I just get myself into?!?

[NWR_Neal]

Mildly jealous.

Always wanted to get a Saturn, but I never found one cheap enough to outweigh the fact there are like five games tops I'd realistically play.

[jrlibrarian]

There are a number of games I've wanted to play, but it's also the collecting aspect thatdrove me to purchase it. If I hadn't found it with the box and instructions/inserts/everything, I probably would have held off. My thought was that if I'm going to get serious about game collecting, why not start with something absolutely ridiculous like a Saturn?

[Ceric]

I got a Saturn a while back for the sole purpose of playing Knights into Dreams.  Then never hooked it up...

[SixthAngel]

I suggest you get the all three scenarios of Shining Force 3.
The first one was the only one released in America but fans have translated the other two pretty much in their entirety and have made a patching program you can use to patch the Japanese versions.

I am currently in the middle of Scenario 2 and they did an amazing job.

[ThePerm]

not jealous, I have one I dont have 11 games though, so never mind, Jealous.

Which games do you have?

I have "Iron Man x-o man of war" or whatever its called, criticom, Daytona USA, Virtual Cop(idk where the gun went), Virtua Fighter 2, Daytona USA, The Christmas Nights Demo(which might as well be a full game), a Nights Demo, Shining force III(which unfortunately turned out to suck after i looked for it for years), and a not working Nights game, and a crappy fighting game called criticom, and then a couple multi game samplers.

[SixthAngel]

Shining force III(which unfortunately turned out to suck after i looked for it for years)

Lies. Lies and blasphemy.
Seriously though.  If you played the other two SF games you know what you are in for (+some welcome additions).  If you played Fire Emblem be prepared for it except with the actual exploration and town parts of an RPG, a far better magic system, no permadeath, and actual unique characters and enemies.

I also suggest all the Panzer Dragoon games.  There was a thread a while back on Saga but 1 and 2 are both good games too.

[jrlibrarian]

 Virtua Cop, Daytona USA, Virtua Fighter 2, Sega Rally Championship, NBA Live 98, Grand Slam Baseball, Madden 97, PGA 97, NBA Live 97, The Need for Speed, NBA Action, and Sega sample disc.

So even though there are 11, most are presumably craptastic sports games. Ah well. They all come with original case and instructions. I'll be grabbing Nights into Dreams, Shining Force, and Panzer Dragoon as soon as I have more money and can find them.

[jrlibrarian]

I was bidding on a system lot that had Panzer Dragoon 2 and Nights, but I got sniped out of it at the last minute. This will have to do.

[S-U-P-E-R]

Nice work. Your next mission is to post a message to the forum using the Saturn netlink.

[jrlibrarian]

I just happen to have a phone jack underneath my desk. Challenge accepted.

[ThePerm]

Shining force III(which unfortunately turned out to suck after i looked for it for years)

Lies. Lies and blasphemy.
Seriously though.  If you played the other two SF games you know what you are in for (+some welcome additions).  If you played Fire Emblem be prepared for it except with the actual exploration and town parts of an RPG, a far better magic system, no permadeath, and actual unique characters and enemies.

I also suggest all the Panzer Dragoon games.  There was a thread a while back on Saga but 1 and 2 are both good games too.

My experinece of Shining Force was Shining force and Shining Force II on genesis(watching my brother play), but mostly Shining Force on Game Gear. I just didn't find it to be something that transitioned well. I looked for it forever, and when I finally got it I was excited, but it was kinda meh.

[BranDonk Kong]

I used to have a Saturn, basically never played it and got rid of it. I do have two Dreamcasts though, if that counts. I kind of want to get another Saturn merely for the collection aspect, but really it was beyond overrated among its niche audience. The first four games you listed (and Nights, arguably) are basically the cream of the crop, which is pretty sad. A lot of people like Panzer Dragoon, etc. I say get yourself a copy of Mortal Kombat 2 (almost exactly the same as the PSX version that was never released in the US), UMK3 (best port of the game on any console), and Mortal Kombat Trilogy (same as PSX/PC) and call it a day.

[Morari]

Oval or circular buttons?

[S-U-P-E-R]

BOMBERMAN

TWO MULTITAPS

10 PLAYERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmaU_Ap7YaQ

[Chozo Ghost]

There was some turn based military strategy game called Iron Storm which I was interested in a long time ago and remember reading about in Game Pro, but I was never able to play because it was a Saturn exclusive. If you are a fan of games like Panzer General I guess that would be worth looking into.

There was also a Saturn game I remember reading about which sounded cool. In this game you played the role of the evil villain and you set up traps and stuff to try to stop the hero from coming to your lair and killing you. I don't remember what the name of it was, but it is like the opposite of pretty much every hero saving the princess game out there. I remember it sounded cool at the time, but for all I know it might just be utter garbage. But now that you have a Saturn you can go ahead and look into it if you are so inclined.

[ThePerm]

I wish I had clockwork knight, I just have the demo, that game was pretty fun. Sega, when are you going to be bought by Nintendo:(. I see no other way of Sega's franchises being brougth back to life.

[Chozo Ghost]

I had no idea what Clockwork Knight is so I looked on youtube and found some gameplay footage. Here it is if anyone is interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8aVsCMP1E

Looks like a cool game. Its a shame it launched on a doomed system, because it may have become a successful franchise otherwise. We will never know.

[Morari]

Sega, when are you going to be bought by Nintendo:(. I see no other way of Sega's franchises being brougth back to life.

So long as Sega is put in charge of developing hardware. Compared to the Dreamcast, all consoles are crap... especially these newer gimmick-laden Nintendo ones. Shenmue 3 is about the only way I'd buy a new console at this point.

[TJ Spyke]

The Dreamcast hardware is nothing special. Yeah it had a built-in modem, but otherwise it was not any different. The controller was especially clunky. Nintendo's hardware has been much better than that.

[Chozo Ghost]

So long as Sega is put in charge of developing hardware.

There is a reason why Sega now only makes software. If Nintendo bought them out and put them in charge of hardware they will develop a bunch of overlapping mutually competing dead end systems and peripherals which will receive divided support and cause market confusion and eventually lead to Nintendo going 3rd party for the same reason that Sega was forced to go 3rd party.

[Morari]

Ah, Nintendo fan forums... how skewed the opinions are in regard to Sega.

[Ian Sane]

Today's Sega probably couldn't make decent hardware to save their life since they struggle to make decent anything.  They're not really Sega anymore.  They're Sega like the current Atari is Atari.

But back before the Sega Sammy merge if you had Sega and Nintendo morphed together and played to the strengths of both companies, you would have something really awesome.  Of course to do this you need a overlying filter that can recognize what each company is better at and what they suck at.  Overwise it would either just be Nintendo turning Sega into Nintendo or a bitter rivarly like the one between Sega of Japan and Sega of America that more or less sunk the company in the first place.

Though Nintendo makes good hardware, they're just embarassingly conservative in regards to technology.  But they make reliable hardware that runs well.  They just need someone with veto power to say "no, that's stupid" when they decide to not include the very thing that is going to take off next generation because at that exact moment in time it isn't yet widely adopted but will be six months after launch.

[NWR_insanolord]

Ah, Nintendo fan forums... how skewed the opinions are in regard to Sega.

I love Sega. My first console was a Genesis, and I bought a Dreamcast at launch. That being said, they made some incredibly stupid decisions in regard to hardware.

[Chozo Ghost]

I briefly owned a Dreamcast a long time ago, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. People are saying the hardware is so great, but how so? Because its easily hackable? If you are into piracy or homebrew then this is like the Nirvana of game consoles, but to everyone else its nothing that really stands out as far as I can tell. It runs on Windows CE and therefore is notorious for crashing because that's what Windows does.

It was also the very last system to be CD based as opposed to DVD based, so that makes it even worse than the Gamecube in terms of storage capacity, because CDs can only hold 700MB and the GC's mini-dvds could hold at least twice that much, or perhaps a little more than that. So for 6th generation systems it was outdated in the form of discs it used, and it also was the least powerful system.

So how exactly is it such awesome hardware? Its easily hackable, but aside from that I don't see it.

Ah, Nintendo fan forums... how skewed the opinions are in regard to Sega.

Are you saying the 32x, Sega CD, and Saturn all mutually competing with each other and having limited and divided support wasn't a fatal mistake for Sega? That is skewed opinion? Seems more like a fact to me. I agree Sega corrected a lot of their mistakes with the Dreamcast, but the fatal blow had already been dealt with their mistakes from the generation before. The Dreamcast might have been an okay system, but former fans and developers alike were turned off to it because they had been burned before and the market confidence just wasn't there.

How is that a skewed opinion? I don't think there is any other single factor more responsible for Sega's demise than the mistakes they made during the 32-bit era. I think if any opinion is skewed it is yours, because you hold Sega and their systems in such high regard and act like they can do no wrong or make mistakes. I think its a fact that they did make mistakes.