Topic: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple

[NWR_insanolord]

The iPad is innovative because instead of trying to shrink a PC down into a tablet it tried to beef a smartphone up into a tablet. The former never caught on; the latter is selling millions and millions of units.

And actually, at least according to Apple, the iPad concept predates the iPhone concept in terms of when Apple came up with them, for whatever that's worth. The iPhone/iTouch is a smaller iPad, not the other way around.

The DS with its dual screens and touch capability I can easily argue as innovative but, the 3DS, I may really like it but I would have to say its iterative.

The argument against it at the time was that lots of things had touch screens, and even Nintendo themselves had used multiple screens before.

[Morari]

If you really want to tweak hardware or get hardcore into PC gaming, as I'm sure you do Morari, Macs are never going to appeal to you. As someone who doesn't care about hardware customization beyond the hard drive and RAM that I've already upgraded on my MacBook Pro, and games primarily on consoles, they're great for me. Different things are good for different people, and for most it will boil down to personal preference.

Not trying to start a flame-war, but why would you want to pay more for something that can do less? I don't understand that, at all and it's true for just about every market Apple gets into. The only thing I can chalk their infrequent success up to is marketing. They put form above function and specifically appeal to a demographic that thinks of itself as hip, trendy, and better. If an Apple product does what you need it to do, I suppose that's great. Still, I can't help but wonder why you wouldn't buy a competing product that does the same thing (and more) for a much lower price. Are smooth, glossy finishes really enough of a merit?

The iPad is innovative because instead of trying to shrink a PC down into a tablet it tried to beef a smartphone up into a tablet. The former never caught on; the latter is selling millions and millions of units.

The big difference being a limited GUI and marketing.

Also, if you're into web design and movie making, Apple computers are indispensable.

I do both, almost daily. I can't imagine switching over to a Mac for those tasks. The same great tools are still there, but many are lagging behind on MacOS. As for Apple's proprietary software... it's good for entry level stuff, but not much beyond that.

[Oblivion]

To each their own, I guess. I love iMovie.

[Morari]

But that's just entry level stuff. You wouldn't want to use it for anything other than home videos. You don't really start to get most of the features truly needed until you move up to Final Cut Pro. Even then, the new version is pretty busted.

[NWR_insanolord]

If you really want to tweak hardware or get hardcore into PC gaming, as I'm sure you do Morari, Macs are never going to appeal to you. As someone who doesn't care about hardware customization beyond the hard drive and RAM that I've already upgraded on my MacBook Pro, and games primarily on consoles, they're great for me. Different things are good for different people, and for most it will boil down to personal preference.

Not trying to start a flame-war, but why would you want to pay more for something that can do less? I don't understand that, at all and it's true for just about every market Apple gets into. The only thing I can chalk their infrequent success up to is marketing. They put form above function and specifically appeal to a demographic that thinks of itself as hip, trendy, and better. If an Apple product does what you need it to do, I suppose that's great. Still, I can't help but wonder why you wouldn't buy a competing product that does the same thing (and more) for a much lower price. Are smooth, glossy finishes really enough of a merit? :

Honestly, the aesthetic of the hardware is meaningless to me. I mean, it's cool to have, but that doesn't factor into it.

I like OS X better than I like Windows. That's about it, really. And the price difference isn't that much. I haven't done it recently, but I've gone through PC manufacturers' sites and tweaked out the machine that I'd buy and it was about the same as what I generally pay for a Mac.

I could probably build a machine myself for significantly less, but I have no desire to do that, and I prefer notebooks anyway.

The iPad is innovative because instead of trying to shrink a PC down into a tablet it tried to beef a smartphone up into a tablet. The former never caught on; the latter is selling millions and millions of units.

The big difference being a limited GUI and marketing.

Limiting the GUI is the right thing to do given the touch interface. And Apple always builds the core of the product first and then expands it with every revision. Look at the original iPhone OS and then look at the upcoming iOS 5: there's a huge jump in terms of functionality

[BranDonk Kong]

It's the same thing they've been putting out since the first iPhone, only now it has actual notifications and widgets...just like Android (and Windows Mobile had years ago)! Hooray for innovation!

[TJ Spyke]

And most of the rumored new features in iOS 5 are stuff Android already has.

[Oblivion]

So, the first iPhone had the retina display?

[noname2200]

Not trying to start a flame-war, but why would you want to pay more for something that can do less?

Let me start with my bona fides. I strongly dislike Apple. I think their products are overpriced, underdelivering wastes of, well, everything. Every time I drive through Cupertino, parts of my skin start to crawl. I can stomach religious evangelists, but I can barely restrain myself from throttling Apple evangelists. When I saw Jobs' face "gracing" most of today's front page, I was tempted to save some toilet paper that morning. Skin crawling aside, none of this is exaggeration.

That said, I have to concede that Apple's success is due to far more than just "marketing." They make a product that might be overpriced, it might be underpowered, it might be extremely and deliberately limited in its capabilities, but of all the tech companies Apple alone seems to have realized that the vast majority of people are willing to sacrifice all those things to get something that's really easy to use compared to their competitors.

Give the devil his dues and all.

[ThePerm]

the ipad was just big, which made it a better PDA then your PDA, i have an OLD Palm pilot that does about the same thing except music. That being said Palm was founded by former Apple Employees though.

[BranDonk Kong]

iOS =/= retina display, which is a stupid name anyway because it's called qHD on any other device. Of course they'd eventually bump up the resolution (after 3 initial revisions, mind you), just like every manufacturer has done. In all honesty I think the whole retina display thing is a joke, you can just decrease pixel density on any 800x480 (or 640x480 since the iPhone is not a widescreen display) and it will look the same, especially on such a small screen. My friend's Sensation has a 4.3" screen with 960x540px and it really doesn't look any different than my Thunderbolt's 800x480px display if I lower the density. Until 5" screens are a standard it really doesn't make a noticeable difference unless you hold your phone like 3 inches from your face all the time.

[NWR_insanolord]

It's the same thing they've been putting out since the first iPhone, only now it has actual notifications and widgets...just like Android (and Windows Mobile had years ago)! Hooray for innovation!

You obviously don't spend much time with the platform. As someone who has used an iPhone extensively since iOS 2, let me assure you that there are a lot of improvements with each new release. Visually and from a general UI perspective it's pretty much the same, but it does a lot more and works a lot better than it did back then, as it should. Yeah, sometimes they take longer than they probably should to implement things (multitasking, non-shitty notifications), but you can't argue the OS hasn't consistently and significantly improved over the years.

[NWR_insanolord]

Let me start with my bona fides. I strongly dislike Apple. I think their products are overpriced, underdelivering wastes of, well, everything. Every time I drive through Cupertino, parts of my skin start to crawl. I can stomach religious evangelists, but I can barely restrain myself from throttling Apple evangelists. When I saw Jobs' face "gracing" most of today's front page, I was tempted to save some toilet paper that morning. Skin crawling aside, none of this is exaggeration.

This, to me, is just pathetic. Not because it's anti-Apple; I feel the same way about Apple fans who look at Microsoft or Android this way. It's even stupider than the already stupid and juvenile game console wars, because at least there there are significant differences between the platforms. There isn't that much of a difference between OS X and Windows, or between iOS and Android. It's almost all about personal preference, but some people have their priorities screwed up enough to feel this irrationally strongly about it.

[BranDonk Kong]

I spend all day, everyndsy, working on and with iPhones. There have been minimal upgrades over the years, they are just always so far behind the competition, but they have such a loyal fanbase of soccer moms that have no idea what they are missing out on, and have been missing out on since the beginning. It took them over 2 years to get picture messaging for God's sake, that's ridiculous.

[NWR_insanolord]

I think it's clear we're just going to have to disagree on the point of the significance of the updates. However, how exactly is the iPhone "so far behind the competition" at this point? I'll admit there was a time when that was true, but what is it missing now, excepting the announced improvements in iOS 5, that is such a huge deal?

[Ceric]

Live Tiles 

[noname2200]

It's crystal-clear that you've never had to be on the preaching end of the Apple Evangelist Movement. In fact, I believe you said you used to be one yourself. Those of us who haven't have a much different experience. I don't much care what bit of hardware anyone's rocking. I very much care that someone's preference has been shoved in my face for the past decade or so. Now multiply that severalfold, since a lot of the techies here are quite passionate on the subject...

It gets old. Fast.

[NWR_insanolord]

I get that. I can't stand those people much more than you can, which is why I tend to stay away from Apple-focused forums and whatnot. I'm just saying you (and everyone else) need to take a step back and reevaluate that level of passion. People take this kind of thing way too seriously.

[noname2200]

I get that. I can't stand those people much more than you can, which is why I tend to stay away from Apple-focused forums and whatnot. I'm just saying you (and everyone else) need to take a step back and reevaluate that level of passion. People take this kind of thing way too seriously.

Heh, actually I think you're right. But getting something that's stuck that deep down my craw takes time!

[Oblivion]

My science teacher  is most totally an Apple fanboy. He even admits he. He takes no shame in it. The school bought him a Macbook Pro (or whatever it's called) and he owns an iPad 2 (which he regularly uses for our class),  and he owns an iPhone 3GS (which again, he uses on a daily basis for our class).
 Heck, when we had to learn about presentations and using a slideshow correctly and efficiently, he showed us a youtube video of the original iPhone announcement.


The worst thing is is that he looks a little bit like Steve Jobs.

[Ceric]

My science teacher  is most totally an Apple fanboy. He even admits he. He takes no shame in it. The school bought him a Macbook Pro (or whatever it's called) and he owns an iPad 2 (which he regularly uses for our class),  and he owns an iPhone 3GS (which again, he uses on a daily basis for our class).
 Heck, when we had to learn about presentations and using a slideshow correctly and efficiently, he showed us a youtube video of the original iPhone announcement.


The worst thing is is that he looks a little bit like Steve Jobs.

Failed Steve Jobs clone.

[Oblivion]

He's truly a nice guy though and never flips out when someone disagrees with Apple or Steve Jobs. So I guess he isn't that bad.

[Ceric]

He's truly a nice guy though and never flips out when someone disagrees with Apple or Steve Jobs. So I guess he isn't that bad.

Yep doesn't sound like the real Steve Jobs at all who is suppose to be an intense Douche in person.

[Morari]

At least Steve Jobs has never thrown a chair at an employee... that we know of.

[Ceric]

At least Steve Jobs has never thrown a chair at an employee... that we know of.

I'm pretty sure that a chair has gone an employees direction because of Steve Jobs.