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My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« on: June 08, 2011, 03:55:29 AM »

There are some hints the Wii U might only support one of the new controllers at any one time. What would that mean for the world of Nintendo gaming?

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/blog/26653

The life of a Nintendo Fanboy is a stressful one. I was absolutely giddy with the Nintendo Conference, but hours later I was agonizing over a troubling omission regarding Nintendo's new console: "Why are there no examples of two Wii U controllers being used together?" Out of all the examples on the floor, or in the videos, or in the screenshots, why is only one Wii U controller ever shown at any one time?

This is an important question! If The Wii U truly cannot support more than one tablet controller, my dream of one-console local-multiplayer offline Animal Crossing is doomed! In fact, a lot of the pie-in-the-sky "everyone has their own gameplay screen" theories that my fellow gamers have come up with wouldn't come true either.

Others on the internet have had this same worry occur to them, and the tidbits of info netizens have dug up do nothing to dispel thoughts of a one tablet-controller future.

For example, CVG quotes a Nintendo spokesperson saying, "Both the controller and the console will be sold as one unit. You won't be able to buy the controller alone." If Nintendo doesn't allow consumers to buy additional Wii U controllers, that sort of shoots a huge gaping hole in any possibility that a game would be designed to use two of them.

It isn't any more encouraging to find out that, according to Kotaku, Nintendo's own Katsuya Eguchi, who has worked on the successful Wii franchise of titles as well as my beloved Animal Crossing, is only "considering options" regarding two Wii U controllers, a concept that is currently just "an interesting idea."

Well, geez, what could keep one of Nintendo's own EAD Game Producers from chomping at the bit to deploy a game across two of his own company's new Wii U controllers?

There's a bunch of theories already forming out there, but my personal hunch is that the Wii U may not be able to push lag-less graphics to more than one wireless controller at a time. The Wii U controller is not a 3DS, it doesn't have real processing power inside of it. It is little more than a glorified monitor, depending on technological wizardry to display HD-style graphics without any cpu guts of its own. Think about that, this is future-tech! It's an entire cloud computing setup in your living room! Wireless! At a mass market price! Without lag! That's stupendous! And... maybe not ready for streaming to 2 devices just yet... however disappointing that may be.

Well, nothing's confirmed just yet, so there's still some hope out there. Admittedly I know nothing about the actual tech Nintendo is using for their wireless graphics, but the fanboy in me is spinning multiple hopeful solutions. For example, what if Nintendo streamed only SD graphics to the controllers, then the Wii U console could have enough bandwidth for at least two controller's right? Or what if you could connect a second Wii U controller via a USB cable, relieving any wireless streaming graphics bottleneck if that's the problem?

Or of course, Nintendo could come out tomorrow and show off a two Wii U controller setup and this will all look pretty silly.

But if not... well, after thinking about it a bit, I'm less worried than before. The fact is that this would just reduce some gaming overlap between the different hardware platforms out there. Think about it: the Wii and Wii U can already support local multiplayer via a TV's single screen, whether shared or split. And the 3DS is already Nintendo's platform for games where everyone has their own screen, like Mario Kart 3DS. Ultimately, if individual screens for each player are necessary, maybe Nintendo can focus on selling 3DS' to everyone, and if the multiplayer paradigm is a single shared screen, or two asymmetrical screens, then they can focus on the Wii U. This way each console and its games has clear roles and niches to fill.

In fact, this clear and simple focus for each platform is hinted at in this Shigeru Miyamoto quote from the recent Wii U Iwata Asks interview:

"With the Nintendo 3DS and DS systems, you play by not needing to show your screen to anyone else. And with Wii games everyone plays while watching the same screen. With Wii U, you are able to combine both, the ability to display information that no one else can see, and the screen that everyone watches while playing, to come up with new ways to play."

If true, it's definitely a dampener to think that only one Wii U controller will ever be in action at a time, but it seems to make sense in terms of the philosophies of the different hardware platforms.

And besides, there's still a way every player in a multiplayer game can use a Wii U controller... they could each have their own Wii U console and play over a capable, modern online network. Oh boy oh boy, I hope that's true, it'd solve not just this issue, but a whole slew of others as well!

...or... and I just had this idea... what if the Wii U could support local wireless LAN? Everyone could just bring their consoles, plug em in, forego a TV and switch on their Wii U controllers and... be still my beating fanboy heart...

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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2011, 04:18:38 AM »
Dont most of the HD hard core games out there nowadays only offer a one person per console multiplayer experience anyhow?

If you can switch off the tv output when dad wants to watch the ball game, one TV but multiple Wii U console LAN parties would be pretty easy. (if the game supports it I guess)

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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2011, 04:24:05 AM »
My gut is telling me that One Console - One Controller, mostly because of the technological reasons you mentioned (other than the price, what else could it be?). It's truly a shame if true, simply from a logistics stand point. That means every single local multiplayer game has to utilize both the Upad and Wimotes or simply Wiimotes only.

Gone are simple ideas such as picking your play in Madden or playing a FPS without sharing a screen. Gone are more complex ideas of playing two different VC games at once.

There is hope though. During an interview with Danny Bilson from THQ fame, he mentions playing a FPS without sharing a screen and how that might increase the competitiveness during local play. He may just be referring to the controller and the TV, but if someone is playing on the TV, the person using the Upad would still be able to see the other player's position unless they are playing in a completely separate area.
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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2011, 08:50:55 AM »
Gone are simple ideas such as picking your play in Madden


But wait, they talked about stealth play selection in Madden during the Nintendo press conference!


http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/nintendo-e3-keynote/


"10:10AM Showing off Madden, picking plays stealthily on your touchscreen."

That doesn't make a lot of sense if only ONE player can do that in a local multiplayer setting.
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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2011, 09:08:46 AM »
Gone are simple ideas such as picking your play in Madden


But wait, they talked about stealth play selection in Madden during the Nintendo press conference!


http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/nintendo-e3-keynote/


"10:10AM Showing off Madden, picking plays stealthily on your touchscreen."

That doesn't make a lot of sense if only ONE player can do that in a local multiplayer setting.

There wouldn't be any requirement in this case that it be done simultaneously-the offensive player could choose a play first, pass the controller, then let the defensive player choose. Not ideal, but possible.
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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 09:14:09 AM »
Oh god, passing the controller around? That sounds incredibly irritating.

Unfortunately, browsing through e3.nintendo.com seems to indicate that this is indeed the case.

For example, this image: http://e3.nintendo.com/_ui/img/hw/playstyle/6.jpg

And this page: http://e3.nintendo.com/hw/#/about

Mentions the ability to connect up to 4 Wii remotes, but has no indication of being able to connect more than 1 Wii U controller.

I'm starting to think it's pretty well confirmed - one Wii U controller per system, max.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2011, 10:00:48 AM by gbuell »
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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2011, 09:15:47 AM »
In sports titles like Madden, that may require passing the screen controller to the player on offense. (Edit: someone beat me to this...)

As I said in another thread, the console needs to be capable of supporting at least 2 screen controllers so multiplayer is even possible with those sweet, sweet screen controllers. Preferably, I'd like to see 4 player support but I'd be happy with 2 on a single console.
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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 09:48:13 AM »
Here's an important question that NEEDS to be answered, if they don't sell the Wii U controller separate then what do you do if the one that came with the console breaks, (worst case scenario with the warranty and service plan expired)? Am I supposed to go out and buy a NEW Wii U system if that happens? Sorry, but it really needs to support multiple Wii U controls.

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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 09:54:29 AM »
You probably have to buy it straight from Nintendo through their website. My one cat chewed through the wire of my sensor bar so I bought one from Nintendo since they don't sell official ones in stores. It was $15. I ended up just getting a wireless sensor bar by Nyko anyway to prevent anymore cat-related mishaps.

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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 09:54:55 AM »
Here's an important question that NEEDS to be answered, if they don't sell the Wii U controller separate then what do you do if the one that came with the console breaks, (worst case scenario with the warranty and service plan expired)? Am I supposed to go out and buy a NEW Wii U system if that happens? Sorry, but it really needs to support multiple Wii U controls.
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You probably have to buy it straight from Nintendo through their website. My one cat chewed through the wire of my sensor bar so I bought one from Nintendo since they don't sell official ones in stores. It was $15. I ended up just getting a wireless sensor bar by Nyko anyway to prevent anymore cat-related mishaps.
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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 10:52:59 AM »
On the bright side we no longer have to worry about spending $100 on extra controllers. Just sayin'...

On the down side, this is going to kill local multiplayer, which was one of the key features of the Wii. I guess the Wii-U name says it best. This console is for YOU and YOU alone. It only does single player.
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2011, 11:03:41 AM »
Not true at all, they're showing off loads of local multiplayer at E3. It's just all asymmetrical.
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2011, 11:10:28 AM »
I could deal with the shitty name, but if I can only use one Wii-U controller per Wii-U console then that's it... I've made up my mind I'm not getting this piece of crap console.
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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2011, 11:20:59 AM »
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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2011, 11:29:41 AM »
I'm gonna quote myself from the other thread

Oh Nintendo... it's always gotta be something. Such wasted potential for some local mulitplayer.
atleast beef it up to allow for 2 tablets and 4 wiimotes.

Imagine the possibilities of 6 player local
A 2 player squad of MGS style players vs 4 Wiimote holding guards that are tracking you down.
(you could do this with out a 2 player team, but it's funner this way.)
2 uscreen players communicate with each other to beat the level like usual and the other 4 pay guards that are trying to stop them. If they get killed they respawn as a different guard in a different area. Metal Gear Solid fun for everyone.

2 uScreens would be the acceptable. 1 uScreen is questionable.
Nintendo still has a year to work this out as 1 uScreen doesn't make the most sense, and passing a controller around is not something that should need to be done.

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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2011, 11:30:52 AM »
I could deal with the shitty name, but if I can only use one Wii-U controller per Wii-U console then that's it... I've made up my mind I'm not getting this piece of crap console.

Well, it looks like the truth did set one of us free... Tell me, how's that crow tasting so far?

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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2011, 11:36:39 AM »
I could deal with the shitty name, but if I can only use one Wii-U controller per Wii-U console then that's it... I've made up my mind I'm not getting this piece of crap console.

This statement I can completely understand.

So what happens with Smash Bros in the future? I refuse to use the Wiimotes at all when playing. I want all my friends at my house to have a tablet, it doesn't have to stream whats on the screen just let us use the comfortable controller. I really don't feel like getting any more classic controller pros.
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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2011, 11:41:33 AM »
I could deal with the shitty name, but if I can only use one Wii-U controller per Wii-U console then that's it... I've made up my mind I'm not getting this piece of crap console.

Well, it looks like the truth did set one of us free... Tell me, how's that crow tasting so far?

You were right. I had faith that Nintendo wouldn't be this dumb... so yeah I was wrong. These continuous disappointments from Nintendo are chipping away at my Fanboyism and I'm gradually becoming more and more Ianized.


We all know Sony is going to rip this off at some point like they always do. Maybe when Sony rips it off they will do it right and allow more than one controller at a time. Its too bad the Wii is dead in the water, because Nintendo needs a new console like yesterday, so they have to rush something out ASAP. If it weren't for the Wii being dead I'd say they should wait until they can get this right before they release it, even if it means delaying it for another year. A delayed console is good eventually, but a rushed console is terrible forever.

The three things I'm hating about this console so far are:

1) The name
2) Only 8GB storage capacity
3) Only one controller per console capability

Well, the name is probably a trivial thing I admit, but the other two things are going to severely impact the support it gets from both developers and from consumers. Even casuals are going to have a problem with number 3 I think.
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2011, 11:45:17 AM »
I could deal with the shitty name, but if I can only use one Wii-U controller per Wii-U console then that's it... I've made up my mind I'm not getting this piece of crap console.

This statement I can completely understand.

So what happens with Smash Bros in the future? I refuse to use the Wiimotes at all when playing. I want all my friends at my house to have a tablet, it doesn't have to stream whats on the screen just let us use the comfortable controller. I really don't feel like getting any more classic controller pros.

As the demonstrations clearly illustrated, Wii Remotes will still be supported, especially during multiplayer-- meaning both Classic Controllers and the Wii Remote on its side will still be possible. Sadly, the lack of GameCube support means no returning GCN controls...  but that's a whole other topic.

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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2011, 11:54:37 AM »
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LOS ANGELES, CA--(Marketwire - Jun 7, 2011) - Today at E3, AMD (NYSE: AMD) announced its support for Nintendo's newly-announced Wii U™ system, as a new way to enjoy HD console gaming entertainment. The custom AMD Radeon™ HD GPU reflects the best characteristics of AMD's graphics technology solutions: high-definition graphics support; rich multimedia acceleration and playback; and multiple display support. As an industry leader, AMD has supplied the game console market with graphics expertise and ongoing support for more than 10 years.

When I read this from BlackNMild I fears are calmed a bit. "Multiple display support" assures me that it is possible for more than one tablet to be used at a time per console. No article I have read yet outright denies that possibility.
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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2011, 12:01:48 PM »
When I read this from BlackNMild I fears are calmed a bit. "Multiple display support" assures me that it is possible for more than one tablet to be used at a time per console. No article I have read yet outright denies that possibility.

I always understood the word "Multiple" to mean anything greater than single, so it could be as low as just 2 and a TV screen plus one controller counts as 2. So I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet.
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2011, 12:05:41 PM »
I could deal with the shitty name, but if I can only use one Wii-U controller per Wii-U console then that's it... I've made up my mind I'm not getting this piece of crap console.

Well, it looks like the truth did set one of us free... Tell me, how's that crow tasting so far?

You were right. I had faith that Nintendo wouldn't be this dumb... so yeah I was wrong. These continuous disappointments from Nintendo are chipping away at my Fanboyism and I'm gradually becoming more and more Ianized.


We all know Sony is going to rip this off at some point like they always do. Maybe when Sony rips it off they will do it right and allow more than one controller at a time. Its too bad the Wii is dead in the water, because Nintendo needs a new console like yesterday, so they have to rush something out ASAP. If it weren't for the Wii being dead I'd say they should wait until they can get this right before they release it, even if it means delaying it for another year. A delayed console is good eventually, but a rushed console is terrible forever.

The three things I'm hating about this console so far are:

1) The name
2) Only 8GB storage capacity
3) Only one controller per console capability

Well, the name is probably a trivial thing I admit, but the other two things are going to severely impact the support it gets from both developers and from consumers. Even casuals are going to have a problem with number 3 I think.

I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about it. There's still a decent chance that the will still be capable of supporting two 'U Tablets' locally, if a developer chooses support that method. It's just more economical to design around the assumption of one since additional ones would likely cost at least $100 each. Nintendo probably won't design games to use that design, but third parties might... as long as the hardware can support it.
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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2011, 12:08:55 PM »
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LOS ANGELES, CA--(Marketwire - Jun 7, 2011) - Today at E3, AMD (NYSE: AMD) announced its support for Nintendo's newly-announced Wii U™ system, as a new way to enjoy HD console gaming entertainment. The custom AMD Radeon™ HD GPU reflects the best characteristics of AMD's graphics technology solutions: high-definition graphics support; rich multimedia acceleration and playback; and multiple display support. As an industry leader, AMD has supplied the game console market with graphics expertise and ongoing support for more than 10 years.

When I read this from BlackNMild I fears are calmed a bit. "Multiple display support" assures me that it is possible for more than one tablet to be used at a time per console. No article I have read yet outright denies that possibility.

I really don't want to burst your bubble but I think you should at least realize that 1 TV+1 'U Tablet'= multiple displays.

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Re: My Thoughts: Two Wii U Controllers at Once Possible?
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2011, 12:15:35 PM »
Nintendo always has to **** something up and it looks like so far this is it.

We can never have everything. But we can hold out hope that 3DS connectivity will be the solution to our problem... an expensive solution, but one only made possible by the processing abilities of the 3DS. It's not an ideal solution since the 3DS is missing an analog and 2 triggers, but it will be better than nothing.

Really though, 2 uScreens should be what they are aiming for power wise. because you are outright killing local multiplayer if you turn the TV off otherwise.

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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2011, 12:20:10 PM »
Not entirely. You could still play Chess or as seen in the video, Othello.

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