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Offline Fenix_091

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« on: May 07, 2003, 05:53:25 PM »
Does Nintendo own Camelot or Factor 5? They're both such good developers and they don't make games for anyone else. Are they just loyal 3rd parties?
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2003, 05:58:26 PM »
Third Parties, and not even all that "loyal".  Some of Factor 5's previous titles have gone to PC, and Camelot makes the Hot Shots Golf series for PS2.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2003, 06:04:04 PM »
are you sure about hot shots? I thought i heard some other company was handling it now...

edit...i checked it out and Hot Shots Golf 2 & 3 were developed by Clap Hanz Limited and published by Sony....so Camelot no longer is involved in the series.  
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2003, 06:11:29 PM »
I stand corrected.  See, I told you that I make mistakes.  
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2003, 06:20:31 PM »
Hey Lets all do the  Shining Golden Sun Force Dance!
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2003, 06:21:46 PM »
I'm nearly 100% sure that "Camelot" is now considered a nintendo second party.

I've yet to see them make any games for any other system since the original Mario Tennis/golf was released.
then again, since golden sun got on the market, i haven't heard of them making much of anything =).

And I believe factor 5's reasons is something like "if we go 2nd party, it would be much harder for us to get the lucas arts license"
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2003, 06:40:08 PM »
LOL, that is hilarious Perm.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2003, 07:57:14 PM »
I wish Nintendo would work out some deal between Sega and Camelot and give us another Shining game for GC. I'm still pissed that we only got one of the 3 chapters of Shining Force 3....damned Bernie Stolar.

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2003, 08:39:38 PM »
dark requium...how do you know they didnt? Teh secrets of teh e3, teh speculation.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2003, 08:48:51 PM »
Yes rick, but Camelot only made the first Hot Shots and converted to Nintendo, and they haven't made any games for any other publisher since.
And Factor 5 made a PC port of Rogue Leader, but since then they have been loyal to Nintendo. They even made the music system in the GCN for crying out loud...I doubt they will go anywhere either. Silicon Knights used to make games for other platforms too, but that doesn't mean anything. They don't anymore. Yeah yeah I know they are owned by Nintendo But they seem to have grown so close to Nintendo that they would stay exclusive even if they weren't owned...
And you left out Sonic Team, they only want to make games for Nintendo...But they were forced into PSO for Xbox and probably the same is true for Sonic Heroes. But I recall a Sonic Team quote saying they only want to make games on Nintendo systems..
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2003, 03:08:34 AM »
Camelot and Factor 5 can make games on other platforms if they want to. They just haven't since they've made games on N64, and now Gamecube. The crap thing is that the way Factor 5 are going, they're going to be stuck doing Star Wars games for good. I'm sure Factor 5 would be the envy of all SW fans right now, since 4 of their 5 Nintendo games are Star Wars, so imagine the research and time spent at ILM and Lucas' Skywalker Ranch! But they would want to be going on with other projects right? Same with Camelot. They probably wouldn't want all their 3D games from now on to be MArio Tennis/Golf sequels now would they.

Heopfully, Thornado pops it's head out, and Camelot comes to E3 with a 3D Golden Sun.
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2003, 03:30:23 AM »
"And Factor 5 made a PC port of Rogue Leader"

You mean rogue *Squadron*, right?

And Camelot is offficially a 3rd party, but they can kind of be considered a 2nd party since all their games are for Nintendo platforms and Nintendo's extremely close to them.
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2003, 10:15:31 AM »
i remember reading something about factor 5 programming the next dragonquest game.
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2003, 11:31:21 AM »
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And Camelot is offficially a 3rd party, but they can kind of be considered a 2nd party...

Personally, I believe the term "second party" is fiction, a media buzzword that only exists in our heads. So I agree with you in that Camelot "can kind of be considered" to be a second party.

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i remember reading something about factor 5 programming the next dragonquest game.

That's Level 5, the makers of the cel-shaded RPGs "Dark Cloud 2" for the PS2 and "True Fantasy Online" for the XBox. Not Factor 5, the Dolby-lovin Nintendo-friendly Star Wars junkies.  
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2003, 11:36:55 AM »
How is it a media buzzword, ruby? This is the way I've always thought of it- a 1st-party is the console maker and all the companies it owns entirely (100%). That would be like EAD to Nintendo or Sonic to Sega before they dropped consoles. A 3rd party is a company that is not owned by any console maker and is generally independant (some are owned by other 3rd parties)- this would include companies like Capcom, Namco, Sega, etc. A 2nd party is a company that is owned in part by the console maker- this would be like Silicon Knights or HAL to Nintendo. So in that sense, neither Factor 5 or Camelot are owned at all by Nintendo, making them technically 3rd parties. However, they act like a 1st or 2nd party in that they only develop games for Nintendo's consoles.

I guess, though, I could see how you could simplify it and include all the companies owned at all by the console maker into the 1st party category and all the potentially multiplatform developers into the 3rd party category.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2003, 11:44:09 AM »
"Same with Camelot. They probably wouldn't want all their 3D games from now on to be MArio Tennis/Golf sequels now would they."

Yeah it would be nice if they could work on a Gamecube RPG or something (rumour has it they are but I don't think it's coming out for a while).  Personally I don't see any point in making a new Mario Tennis or Mario Golf.  Unless they go online there really isn't any reason for new versions to exist.  Is anyone seriously looking forward to these games?  It's not like Mario Kart where the fans demand a new game every console generation.

Factor 5 is also pretty much working on a superflous sequel.  I mean I look forward to both Factor 5's and Camelot's next games but I would have preferred if they worked on something different and original.  I really liked Rogue Leader but when I was playing it I didn't think "Damn they have to make another game like this."  Maybe publishers have gotten so dependant on sequels that they're starting to make them regardless of whether the fans want them.

It must be brutal to be on one of these teams that spends their entire time working on the same series again and again and again.  I have a friend who used to work for EA that left because he got sick of making the same damn football game every single year.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2003, 11:46:47 AM »
Camelot's not exactly in the same boat as Factor 5 in that respect, though, Ian. They've made a few more games than just Mario Sports and Golden Sun, namely Shining Force for the Genesis and Saturn. I agree, though, I'd like to see more out of Factor 5 and Camelot (I was reaslly excited about Thornado).
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2003, 12:37:53 PM »
Just read today at GamerFeed that Factor 5 is licensing out the DIVX software for use on xbox. Someone on another board (perhaps GF?) mentioned that Thornado would be showing up on the xbox as well (although I saw no hard proof , and believe it to be pure speculation)

Although...
Didn't F5 say that, other than Rogue Squadron III, they were working on a second title and would not comment on the platform?

I don't see Factor 5 straying from the cube.
But who knows? I might end up blindsided.

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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2003, 12:39:29 PM »
Hopefully this 2nd title is only Pilotwings....
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2003, 01:04:51 PM »
Somehow I don't think that Divx on Xbox is as big a deal as Divx on GameCube, lol.  Remember that Xbox uses a variant of DirectX, and it's not like people don't know how to display DivX with DirectX.    Granted, Factor 5's code is a lot faster than most people are willing to code, but still, it's not that big of news, as the Xbox has discs that are a lot bigger than GameCube's.
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2003, 02:20:03 PM »
Yeah, as on the topic of DivX; the main reason this was so good for GCN was that the discs are smaller and could hold less information and therefore the video quality would be worse...until DivX came around.
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2003, 02:56:08 PM »
i really want a golden sun on the cube
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2003, 03:27:06 PM »
The quote was on the rumor about pilotwings coming from IGN. The quote was "Not a commenot on the game or console, just no comment."
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2003, 04:08:29 PM »
Factor 5's only making Pilotwings and Rebel Strike right now...
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2003, 04:23:05 PM »
Camelot...develop Mario Tennis.  I had hours of fun with that game on the 64, and I expect no different on the GCN.
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