Topic: TPP: 'Son of ACTA' IP disaster in the making

[TJ Spyke]

It's because when you stream the channels (at least cable), you are illegally watching the channels since they are pay channels.

As for this proposal, illegal streaming is already illegal (duh). All this would do is make the punishment harsher. They have been cracking down already, just the other day they shut down a company that was streaming MMA and wrestling PPV's. I don't have a problem with OTA channels being streamed though since those channels are already free.

[Stogi]

This is not a big deal. P2P sharing of copyrighted files has been illegal for sometime, so streaming services will do exactly as they did -- move to Sweden haha.

As the internet becomes faster, cable will soon be a thing of the past, especially if Internet Ready TV's become more the norm. No need to have both.

This is just the cable industry lobby at work.

[Morari]

The White House today proposed sweeping revisions to U.S. copyright law, including making "illegal streaming" of audio or video a federal felony and allowing FBI agents to wiretap suspected infringers.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20043421-281.html

I didn't know that the FBI was looking for permission to wiretap innocent civilians? After all, they can just yell "terrorism" and get whatever they want, right? Fear and distraction is a pretty timeless ploy. But this? This is just lip service. These corporations (byway of their government subservients) already have what they want. Between the DMCA and ICE's recent domain seizures, it's become pretty clear that freedom of speech and the unabated exchange of ideas scares the hell out of those running the show. The internet is a liability because it is made up of ideas and information. Those are the things that topple governments and make corporate supply channels obsolete.

I suppose it's good for them that the internet becomes less useful everyday. What used to be a seas of information and ideas is shrinking to just be a few corporate controlled portals. Most people don't even know it exists if it isn't on Facebook, Wikipedia, or YouTube. It's reverting back to the idea of AOL "key words" and it's very sad.

[TJ Spyke]

Freedom is more open now that ever before. If anything, it's too open (see the morons in the Tea Party, the Westboro Church, Fox News, etc.). There are people who spread lies and fears about DMCA and ICE, and get their underwear in a bunch (streaming of video is already illegal, this will just make the penalties more severe). Also, the FBI has to present evidence that someone may be doing something illegal to get a wiretap (well, except terror suspects, but I have a lot of problems with the USA PATRIOT Act). The government is embracing technology and trying to make it easier for people to access it, and trying to make it more open than ever before (and before anyone mentions Wikileaks, Wikileaks took STOLEN classified documents and posted them.)

[BlackNMild2k1]

Depending on where you're "streaming" from, because most places will use the torrents of the shows that have already cut all the ads out. But that's exactly why they are so popular in the first place. No Advertisements.

That's why lots of people will download the torrents over even DVRing the program when they have the DVR. They don't want to bother with having to fast forward through all the commercials, not to mention that if you live on the West Coast, you have a chance at watching the show before it even airs and commercial free.

Now if they got rid of the neilsen system the way it is and made every cable box a neilsen box, and let everyone know about it, maybe more people would tune in to their favorite shows through the trackable systems to ensure that their favorite shows continue to be made. It would be like letting the people know that their vote does count and not the select few who they've chosen to poll.

[TJ Spyke]

Now if they got rid of the neilsen system the way it is and made every cable box a neilsen box, and let everyone know about it, maybe more people would tune in to their favorite shows through the trackable systems to ensure that their favorite shows continue to be made.

I would love for this to happen, but you would have some people (like Morari) complaining about Big Brother and every other anti-government claim they can think off. It would also let more accurate ratings happen instead of using a few thousand people be used to guess what millions watch. Right now it doesn't matter if I watch a show or not because my house is not tracked by the Nielsen company.

And people who torrent even when they have DVR? That is just lazy, it takes about 10 seconds to skip past 2 minutes of commercials.

[BlackNMild2k1]

2-4 minutes of commercials 4-6 times during a 1 hour program on faulty DVR box that likes to skip back and forth when you hit the play button after FF or REW.

Not to mention that you can only DVR so many shows at once, so instead of waiting the next day for it to pop up in Hulu, you opt to download and watch it commercial free that night instead.

I'll admit that I sometimes torrent shows because my DVR is retarded. A show will not get recorded sometimes because the pevious show (on a different channel) had a 1-3 minute overlap and I can't set it to automatically series record the rerun that comes on at 11pm instead of at 9pm since the one at 9pm is the only one labeled as NEW.

As a matter of fact I find it much more convenient to torrent the TV shows just for the fact that I don't have to FF through commercials and play the skip forward/back game with the box just to start the show right when the commercial ends instead of catching the last 7 seconds of a commercial or just miss the first 7 seconds of the show after the commercial instead.

[Stogi]

Lazy is a human condition. It what spurs us to become...more lazy.

[BlackNMild2k1]

And I would actually call it being impatient over being lazy.

Being lazy would be just not watching the show at all or getting around to it at some later time.... maybe after it showed up on Hulu.
But being impatient, I put in the effort to watch it NOW and not later. In some cases, I could even do it before it aired.

[Stogi]

True. That's a better term for it.

Being impatient is what has spurred a lot of creations. No denying that.

[oohhboy]

The problem with this 20 page White paper is that it sets out the administrations policy in a very broad and unspecific way without even attempting to understand why people do what they do. This is a very clear example of "Every problem is a nail" if the only tools your willing to use is a hammer.

Whats disturbing on a life and death level regarding counterfeit drugs. Yeah, they are bad, but why does America have such a massive "Black" market on prescription drugs? For one thing Pharmas are constantly bombarding the public with messages promising to make you faster, better, stronger and hard enough to cut a diamond in order to sell drugs that people just don't need. Then they price everything from the life saving to sugar pills to a level that is unaffordable to the average person. Coupled with the broken healthcare system that is stuck in a tornado of increasing costs, an education system they doesn't teach you anything. It gets worse when they turn doctors into their sales reps instead of leaving them alone to be doctors.

Copyright infringement on a Commerical scale has always been a felony, therefore a federal crime. However this paper seeks to elevate all copyright infringement to a felony. This a is a massive problem to to how broad it intends to cast the net. There is nothing regarding fair use or reverse engineering. Increasing penalties for repeat offenders is problematic as it has been shown before that, each time someone you upload, you are essentially repeating the offence, therefore it could be very possible that you could serve more time for it than much more serious crimes.

By shifting all IP infringements to felony level, it also not only shifts the burden of enforcement, it dumps it on to the government, with it's, shifting most importantly to the industry, the associated costs, but disturbingly also widens the tools usable.

So in the future it is quite possible that people are going to start getting no-knock warrants served and treatment that is so common in drug raids. Hell Americans even show the raids on TV and boast about getting a grand in cash and a bag of weed. I mean did that really require you to make a tactical entry over? I am not even getting into the issue of raiding the wrong house and the resulting cluster **** that results in.

Freedom is more open now that ever before. If anything, it's too open (see the morons in the Tea Party, the Westboro Church, Fox News, etc.). The government is embracing technology and trying to make it easier for people to access it, and trying to make it more open than ever before (and before anyone mentions Wikileaks, Wikileaks took STOLEN classified documents and posted them.)

Tea party and Westbro are an idiotic bunch, but I do defend their right to free speech as offensive or asinine as they are. To enjoy certain things you at times have to defend the indefensible.

However, Fox news and all American media outlets is given, but should not have such a level of defence given as they have the additional responsibility of providing factual information, but don't. They would fall under the same level of shouting fire in a theater. Back when American outlets were respected decades ago, this was an unspoken understanding.They reported the news like they were describing drying paint. If they didn't know what was happening, they would say so. No slant to the news besides whatever emotion the news reader or reporter couldn't hold in check. American news is a self parodying mess that have parodies that contain more journalism.

Wikileaks understands and prepares for the release of such documents. While there is no doubt both people and government needs secrets to function, there is a point where it is counter productive, a point the US government had passed a long time ago. Well pass the point anybody of reason people could agree to like "Losse lips sink ships".

Leonard H. Courtney

There is an imperialism that deserves all honor and respect — an imperialism of service in the discharge of great duties. But with too many it is the sense of domination and aggrandisement, the glorification of power. The price of peace is eternal vigilance.

Or missed attributed to Thomas Jefferson, "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."