Topic: E3 2011 Predictions

[Jannet]

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[SixthAngel]

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I think E3 will have an incredible amount of 3DS stuff and besides that be almost entirely sequels.

[Chozo Ghost]

The characters: Midna, Rosalina, Adam Malkovich, etc. are all new IPs. Granted, they do appear in existing IPs, but they are new at least. I should point out that this is often how new IPs get created. They get spun off of older established IPs. As a matter of fact, Mario himself is a spin off of the Donkey Kong franchise...

At this time these characters don't appear outside of their parent IPs. But there could come a day when Nintendo makes "The Adventures of Midna" or something like that, which would kinda be set in the Zelda universe, but it wouldn't have Zelda, Ganon, Link, or the Tri-force. So by rights it would be a new IP, even though it has roots in an older one.

[Ian Sane]

The characters: Midna, Rosalina, Adam Malkovich, etc. are all new IPs. Granted, they do appear in existing IPs, but they are new at least.

Well it would be pretty sad if Nintendo didn't even create new characters for their existing franchises.  If that is sufficient to qualify as "releasing new IP" then that is some low standard to reach.  That's as expected as having new levels in sequels.

[Luigi Dude]

If you look at the PS3 you'll see games like Uncharted that are new to this generation that are specifically designed with the intention of them being a big series for Sony.  It's one of their top devs working on it, at the expense of the existing IP they could be working on, and the game is pushed as a big must-own title for the system.  The new IP is treated as the main course, not some side dish.

That's because Sony has to create new IP's because outside of Gran Turismo, they don't have anything that even approuches the popularity of Nintendo's top series that can easily break the 5 million+ mark.  No surprise that the studio that makes the Gran Turismo games, Polyphony Digital, has made nothing but Gran Turismo style games since 1997.  Actually they did get to make a new mech shooting IP in 1999 called Omega Boost, but it did poorly and as a result Sony hasn't allowed them to do anything new ever since.

So I wouldn't exactly use Sony as a good example because they only make new IP's out of neccesaty, not because they offer greater creative freedom at the company.  If Sony had more IP's that were as popular as Gran Turismo, I can guarantee you they would be just like Nintendo where the top series continue to get all the attention and marketing while the new IP's are made smaller events.

Not to mention I wouldn't complain about Nintendo making too many sequels while comparing them to Sony.  You say how we didn't need three Mario platformers and yet by the end of this year Sony will have released three Uncharted games and three Resistance games on the PS3, with each of them way more similar to each other then the three Mario platformers on the Wii are.  Plus the reason for both of those series having to be made is because Naughty Dog and Insomniacs previous series, Jax and Daxter and Rachet and Clank were both ran into the ground by Sony milking the hell out of them with yearly installments that did worse and worse and so needed both studio's to make a new series so they'd be profitable again.

[Ian Sane]

So I wouldn't exactly use Sony as a good example because they only make new IP's out of neccesaty, not because they offer greater creative freedom at the company.  If Sony had more IP's that were as popular as Gran Turismo, I can guarantee you they would be just like Nintendo where the top series continue to get all the attention and marketing while the new IP's are made smaller events.

Perhaps but that doesn't really matter as much to the gamer.  We still get new IP from Sony and not so much from Nintendo.  Yeah so maybe Sony NEEDS to do it more than Nintendo does but we still get something fresher and newer from them.  We still benefit from the results regardless of the motivation.  Nintendo is still resting on their laurels which is pretty lame.

[Adrock]

Both God of War and Jak and Daxter were originally conceived to eventually end. Nintendo never planned and probably has no intention on there being a Zelda end game. Of course, Sony has cheated by commissioning side stories to extend both of those franchises and Kratos is in f-ing everything nowadays. Point is Sony would do exactly what Nintendo does with their IPs if they were popular enough. Unfortunately, Sony doesn't have the history that Nintendo does. They're creating IPs because they don't have as many established, but we're already seeing the path their traveling down. Uncharted and Resistance are NGP's big games.

Anyway, E3 predictions...

This is going to be mainly a 3DS show. Nintendo will have Mario 3DS playable and it'll be based on Super Mario Bros. 3. That's a safe bet. Skyward Sword will be the only thing buzz worthy on the Wii though I think they'll announce The Last Story and Xenoblade for North America, but Zelda will be given more attention and rightfully so.

Nintendo will announce a new 2D Metroid for 3DS.

Capcom will announce Marvel vs. Capcom 3 for 3DS.

Square Enix will announce a remake of Final Fantasy VI for 3DS.... and tease a remake of Final Fantasy VII because they're jerks and like to pull on the heartstrings of fans.

Bold Prediction
Nintendo will announce their partners for the successor of the Wii as well as the console itself. Details will be slim, definitely no controller. We'll get a codename. They'll aim to launch Q2 2012. I think they'll announce a timeframe for launch to avoid their stocks getting raped like what happened last year when they waited so long to announce 3DS wasn't going to make a 2010 launch. I still think Nintendo would rather launch the successor to the Wii during the Q4 holiday season but 1st party software isn't ready for 2011 and the Wii is going to limp through November and December and certainly will not make it to 2012's holiday season. I could see Nintendo launching in June. 3DS should hold its own until then.

[NWR_insanolord]

I hope they don't announce FF6 for 3DS. I've been interested in playing FF5 for a while and have been patiently waiting for that to be remade. Of course, they could announce both, but that doesn't seem likely.

[Chozo Ghost]

Nintendo is still resting on their laurels which is pretty lame.

I won't argue with you on that. But isn't it likely that if Sony had as many A+ highly popular classic franchises as Nintendo does they would be doing the exact same thing? Nintendo has Mario and Sega has Sonic as their mascots. What does Sony have? They used to have Crash as their mascot, but they sold it off. Now they have nothing and they are struggling to find their identity. Nintendo found their identity 25 years ago.

[Stratos]

So I wouldn't exactly use Sony as a good example because they only make new IP's out of neccesaty, not because they offer greater creative freedom at the company.  If Sony had more IP's that were as popular as Gran Turismo, I can guarantee you they would be just like Nintendo where the top series continue to get all the attention and marketing while the new IP's are made smaller events.

Perhaps but that doesn't really matter as much to the gamer.  We still get new IP from Sony and not so much from Nintendo.  Yeah so maybe Sony NEEDS to do it more than Nintendo does but we still get something fresher and newer from them.  We still benefit from the results regardless of the motivation.  Nintendo is still resting on their laurels which is pretty lame.

Nintendo has made a number of new IPs. They just don't bring them to the West. Tact of Magic and Disaster Day of Crisis come to mind.

[broodwars]

So I wouldn't exactly use Sony as a good example because they only make new IP's out of neccesaty, not because they offer greater creative freedom at the company.  If Sony had more IP's that were as popular as Gran Turismo, I can guarantee you they would be just like Nintendo where the top series continue to get all the attention and marketing while the new IP's are made smaller events.

Perhaps but that doesn't really matter as much to the gamer.  We still get new IP from Sony and not so much from Nintendo.  Yeah so maybe Sony NEEDS to do it more than Nintendo does but we still get something fresher and newer from them.  We still benefit from the results regardless of the motivation.  Nintendo is still resting on their laurels which is pretty lame.

Nintendo has made a number of new IPs. They just don't bring them to the West. Tact of Magic and Disaster Day of Crisis come to mind.

Which is the same as never making new IPs if you live in NA, as most of us probably do (though NWR has a nice-sized European audience as well).  Europe has better luck these days, but even they don't get that much more out of Japan than we do.  As I said before, Nintendo of America needs to step up their game and take some risks bringing these franchises over.  Sure, they won't bring in the easy money of a Mario; Zelda; or Pokemon, but it would bring them a lot of good will and they could even find a new franchise that latches on in America.  I remember when Sony wasn't going to bring Demon's souls over because they didn't there would be an audience, and look how that worked out once Atlus published it in NA instead.  Instead, NoA sticks to bringing over franchise they know will sell, which makes sense financially but means over time that the lineup grows stale.  If I can't play a game, it might as well not exist and it shouldn't be brought into this argument.

[Oblivion]

^ Muramasa comes to mind. Never likely to sell, never really did sell, but was brought over to NA anyways.

[Stratos]

Did Muramasa actually perform well? I don't recall hearing word of the game making XSeed Ignition any money.

[Ian Sane]

Nintendo will announce a new 2D Metroid for 3DS.

This would be nice but are 2D games going to be the norm for the 3DS?  From what we've seen so far the emphasis is more on polygons.
 
Do I even want more Metroid if that hack Sakamoto is involved?  I want Other M to be the oddball black sheep Metroid game that everyone pretends never existed.  I'd rather Metroid be dead then for it to continue in THAT direction.
 
Any 3DS games shown would be titles due for later in the year.  Nintendo doesn't really show off stuff years in advance anymore.  I wouldn't be surprised if the 3DS showing for E3 is mostly the stuff we already know about because a lot of it won't be out yet by E3.  Kid Icarus will probably get a lot of attention because that will be the big 3DS game on the horizon.

[TJ Spyke]

This would be nice but are 2D games going to be the norm for the 3DS?  From what we've seen so far the emphasis is more on polygons.

New Super Mario Bros. had polygonal characters on a 2D plain. But yeah, I don't want Sakamoto involved with another Metroid game after seeing what he did with Other M.

[Chozo Ghost]

Hopefully Other M will live up to its name and be the "Other M" and get locked up in a cellar like a deformed hunchback. That way the Metroid games can be proudly displayed, but that "Other M" is kept well out of sight.

[Mop it up]

I don't think we'll be seeing from Metroid for a while, since the games don't perform that well (comparatively) sales-wise. Of all the things possible at E3, that seems to be one of the least likely.

[broodwars]

I don't think we'll be seeing from Metroid for a while, since the games don't perform that well (comparatively) sales-wise. Of all the things possible at E3, that seems to be one of the least likely.

It's a shame, really.  Of my many problems with Other M, very few of them were with the core gameplay and almost all of them lie with writing and design decisions, neither of which Team Ninja had any control over.  I would have liked to see another Metroid game in that style (even if I do prefer the Prime games), just to see how the issues of Other M would be iron-ed out (if Sakamoto was kept off the project) or ignored (if he was in control of it).

[Mop it up]

I also would like to see another Metroid in the gameplay style of Metroid Other M. As much as I enjoyed the Metroid Prime games, the third one felt stale just because of how similar it was. Other M felt like a more natural progression of the 2D side-scrollers, even though it was more linear. And I, personally, didn't mind that, since I often take the intended way though the games anyway and don't search for most optional items unless I feel I need them to progress past a section. Though I think something somewhere in between the two would work out the best.

[Oblivion]

Did Muramasa actually perform well? I don't recall hearing word of the game making XSeed Ignition any money.

Yeah, that's why I said it didn't really perform well at all. It didn't. I'm the only person I know that actually bought it, played it, and beaten it.

[Mop it up]

I bought it! Haven't done the other two yet though, and don't know if I will.

The ever-reliable VGChartz estimates the sales to be about 220K worldwide, with about half of that from North America. I've no idea how much it cost to develop and distribute it, but if that number's anywhere close, then it was likely worthwhile to release it in NA, even if all it did was recoup what they would have lost otherwise.

[Oblivion]

You didn't even play it? XD

[Mop it up]

Not yet. I just saw it on sale cheap and figured that's as low as it'd go, so I bought it in case I ever wanted to play it. I've got quite a few games I haven't played for various reasons; maybe someday I'll find the time...

[Ian Sane]

For Other M the linearity has got to go.  It turned Metroid into just some action game.  Yes, the story was embarassing but the linear design was when it ceased to be Metroid for me.  If you're going to make it linear why not just have Level 1, Level 2, etc?

I also didn't like the way the game asked you to switch between third person to first person view.  The way it was done was awkward, slow and hard to pull off in the heat of the moment without an enemy kicking your ass.  Either make the switch easy or ditch it altogether.  And the game didn't give you health powerups between save points.  That was probably the STUPIDEST design.  What is this some "screw the player" 80's arcade game?  Again that seems more like the design for some hardcore action game - NOT METROID.  Ah, hell, just bury Other M in a landfill with E.T. and never mention it again.  If you removed everything that sucked about it you wouldn't have much left to base any videogame design on.

Third person perspective in a 3D Metroid game is the only part of Other M worth exploring further.



I'm actually feel legitimately MAD thinking about that game.  Even the Star Wars Prequels couldn't make me feel like this.  I fear the E3 when Nintendo reveals the next Metroid game and it looks like Other M 2.

[Chozo Ghost]

Other M's sales performance was abysmal and even the great Reggie himself openly expressed his disappointment over how poorly it sold.

With that being the case, I'm sure Nintendo has got the message that consumers weren't happy with the directions this game took. Unfortunately, my fear with that is Nintendo may decide to just abandon Metroid entirely rather than do it the way we want them to.