Author Topic: Nintendo and Rare (Read 18826 times)

Boffo · « **on:** April 27, 2003, 02:04:38 AM »

I was just thinking about Rare and how it wasn't fair of Nintendo to say Rare made only such and such a % of profits for those years. Rare had Dinosaur Planet and then Nintendo asked them to change it all into the Starfox universe. It takes time. I know it doesn't really matter now. I don't know, it's 7am and I'm rambling....

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2003, 02:42:26 AM »

Take a look around at what Rare has done lately. Their last two games were Star Fox Adventures and Conker's Bad Fur Day. Take a good look at the gap between those games. They had even promised us Kameo as a launch title for GameCube. Since they have left Nintendo, they have even less to show to Microsoft. Nintendo made the right decision.

Mario · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2003, 02:53:55 AM »

I miss Rare

I was just playing Starfox Adventures last night and i was like "OMG this is so perfect, best graphics evah, best music evah, best ending evah!" Then when i was watching the end credits, a tear went down my eye and i thought of Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Conkers bad fur day and Banjo Kazzoie and how Rare will never be the same again!

nnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! Im sorry, i think i have something in my eye...........

I want Rare back somehow... *starts plotting*

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #3 on:** April 27, 2003, 03:25:59 AM »

Mario, yes, Rare was something special, and we all want them back, but they are really and truly gone. Even if you own an Xbox they are gone. All that's left is the name.

Mario · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2003, 04:03:57 AM »

Yes i know that.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #5 on:** April 27, 2003, 04:38:02 AM »

I miss Rare only for Banjo and Kazooie's adventures.
Conker was good, but it was as good as the greatest sequel of all, Banjo Tooie.
The levels were so huge in that. I think that Rare's level designs are much better than Nintendo's abstract, linear levels, and any other developer's level designs.
They remind me so much of Zelda.

Which means Nintendo should look to Zelda for the next Mario game.

Hemmorrhoid · « **Reply #6 on:** April 27, 2003, 05:07:29 AM »

I too miss Rare, but I already missed them in Starfox Adventures. Sure that game had awesome graphics etc, but the game itself wasnt that good.

The last great game from Rare was Conkers Bad Fur Day.

EggyToast · « **Reply #7 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:13:29 AM »

Yeah, the current crop of people at Rare seem to be schooled only in graphics, not in gameplay.

I mean, I love those older Rare games, too. But everyone who made those old Rare games has long since left Rare and, in most cases, is a 3rd or 2nd party to Nintendo.

Ninja X · « **Reply #8 on:** April 27, 2003, 07:42:21 AM »

Countless hours spent with PD...I'm going to miss Rare for that.

willys85 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 27, 2003, 08:46:21 AM »

And what about Zoonami? they are the soul of the last Rare we use to know, don't they?

rpglover · « **Reply #10 on:** April 27, 2003, 08:49:48 AM »

"The last great game from Rare was Conkers Bad Fur Day."

i hear that- it was not only great graphic wise and sound wise, the gameplay was very good (especially the context sensitive buttons)
the games from rare i loved were the original dkc on snes, jet force gemini, conkers bfd, pd, and goldeneye
rare has gone downhill a little and i guess you can say microsoft has only aquired the name and not the talent
but we shall see come e3

BobbyRobby · « **Reply #11 on:** April 27, 2003, 09:35:02 AM »

I think I liked Rare most in the NES days. Even then I wasn't a huge fan of them.

Okiva77 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2003, 02:27:25 PM »

Oh my god, I am SO with you on the Zelda Mario thing!!!

Finally! Vindication!

Imagine a three dimensional mario game using zelda's battle mechanics to aim your fireballs, position your jumping, etc???

Conker's Bad Fur Day was my Rare introduction. Brilliant! It was sad to see Rare go, but i'm so over it.
Time for something new!

And if the new Conker game is any good, guess im gonna have to get an Xbox to play it.

dmcollin · « **Reply #13 on:** April 27, 2003, 02:37:00 PM »

The company isn't the same as it was during its peak with the n64. Look at all the companies founded with former employees. Nintendo probably realized that sony or ms want more franchises and with both were willing to pay more than the actual value for them, along with nintendo having plenty of franchises already.

Locke Cole · « **Reply #14 on:** April 27, 2003, 02:43:16 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mario
I miss Rare I was just playing Starfox Adventures last night and i was like "OMG this is so perfect, best graphics evah, best music evah, best ending evah!" Then when i was watching the end credits, a tear went down my eye and i thought of Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Conkers bad fur day and Banjo Kazzoie and how Rare will never be the same again! nnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! Im sorry, i think i have something in my eye...........

I want Rare back somehow... *starts plotting*

Mario? What the hell were you on when you were playing SFA, how can you say that it has the best ending evah! I thought it was a cheap way to end the game. I felt no accomplishment when I beat the game and watched the credits roll. The only thing I credit that game is having good voice acting. Thats one of the good things in that game, I still miss rare sorta, but not much. *Dreams of Banjo-Threeie*

joeamis · « **Reply #15 on:** April 27, 2003, 03:40:03 PM »

mario you're so funny with your faces and all heheheh
i don't think we will miss too much from rare, i mean we do have
zoonami...
i have a question is zoonami making games for nintendo or for all platforms?

Mario · « **Reply #16 on:** April 27, 2003, 04:05:02 PM »

Zoonami are exclusive to Nintendo, and they only have like 1 or 2 people from Rare btw. Hundreds of people work at Rare, only 2 went to Zoonami! Zoonami is nothing like Rare! And anyone who thinks Rare is an empty shell has gotta be joking? We'll see at E3, Rare are still Rare no matter how you try and twist it.

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Mario? What the hell were you on when you were playing SFA, how can you say that it has the best ending evah! I thought it was a cheap way to end the game. I felt no accomplishment when I beat the game and watched the credits roll.

Well I liked it... mainly the part just before you *spoilers* fight andross after you "fight" General Scales and release the last spirit.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #17 on:** April 27, 2003, 04:17:58 PM »

Large chunks of the Goldeneye/Perfect Dark team left for Free Radical, and are now famous for making Timesplitters 2.
When Rare was bought by Microsoft, they lost 20 - 30 employees, and the Stamper Brothers left.
Project Lead on Perfect Dark left for Zoonami.

Calling Rare an empty shell isn't entirely unfair. The games made by Rare that you know and love are made by people that are probably no longer working at Rare.

Ninja X · « **Reply #18 on:** April 27, 2003, 04:28:41 PM »

An empty shell? Come E3, we will see for sure.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #19 on:** April 27, 2003, 04:35:10 PM »

Oh I'm sure Rare's got quality new employees and their games will be great, but unless they thoroughly trained their replacements, Rare's XBox games simply won't have that style that made me love their games so much. It simply won't be the same- it'd be like Miyamoto leaving Nintendo.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #20 on:** April 27, 2003, 04:40:52 PM »

I never really liked any N64 Rare games, and while I concede that Star Fox Adventures was pretty good, it was not nearly that good. The ending was sickening. The music and graphics are pretty good, but you can say that for a dozen games. But it had funny parts, like the jazz music and the shopkeeper complaining while you hold up some newly bought object.

Zelda · « **Reply #21 on:** April 27, 2003, 04:43:04 PM »

Not another Rare topic...

Goldeneye was good. that's the only Rare game I really liked. But most of their other stuff sucked.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #22 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:03:14 PM »

Funny how everybody raved about Rare before MS picked them up. Seems like most of the negativity is just dillusioning (bascially people convincing themselves they never liked Rare so they don't care Rare left). I loved almost all of Rare's games- all the SNES DKC's, Goldeneye (which I still think is by far the best console FPS), Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie/Tooie (both incredible platformers), Conker's Bad Fur Day, Star Fox 64, Diddy Kong Racing, Star Fox Adventures. In my opinion, Rare was easily Nintendo's best 2nd-party.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #23 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:13:22 PM »

mouse clicker, I had very high hopes that Star Fox Adventures was another Rare classic along the lines of Conker's Bad Fur Day, but it just wasn't. I was never really all that enthused about Kameo, even before Rare left. I don't like Banjo Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Battletoads, or Donkey Kong 64. Rare did make games that I found VERY addictive and fun though, such as Donkey Kong Country, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Goldeneye, and Perfect Dark. The spiritual successors to those games are no longer with Rare. (possible exception of Conker's Bad Fur Day)

masterShigeru · « **Reply #24 on:** April 28, 2003, 03:19:11 AM »

Hey I heard talk about the Stampa Bros. leaving Rareware when they were bought out.... but I havent heard anything about since.

When did they leave!?

Without the Stampa Bros. Rare are definately not the same.

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Author Topic: Nintendo and Rare (Read 18826 times)