Topic: Mikami gets demoted

[Q]

I was wondering will this effect the exclusive titles on Gamecube.  I also know that both Re make and Re 0 both sold over a million copies worldwide.  Last time I heard thats not a disapointing sales number.  What is disapointing is the sales for P.N. 03 it could only get 30,000 units sold all together.  Also Mega Man Transmission only sold 60,000 units.  The sales numbers for those titles are low because they were only released in Japan so far.  But Re make sold well past expectations.  While Re 0 was expected to sell 1.42 million it only sold 1.12million units.  If our exclusive games dont start selling well world wide us Gamecube owners will not be getting new inovative games like P.N. 03,Killer 7,Dead Phoenix, Viewtiful Joe, and Resident Evil 4.  I really hope once Mega man and the Capcom 5 games are released everywhere they sale at least what their supposed to.  Or those games will be going to Ps2.  Does anyone have the March Npd sales number yet?

[Arbok]

Link?  

[Ninja X]

Give me a link saying Mikami gets demoted.

[Mingesium]

Link

[XBR]

Thats what happens when you want everything to go your way. 1999- Capcom, "alright Mikami, get Biohazard 0 out now on that damned N64 soon, or its going on PS2"  Mikami, "No I want it on Dolphin and since im keeping Capcom from becoming a Midway, its my way or the highway sucka" 2002 Capcom - "well now that PS2 is secured number 1, why dont you go make some Biohazard games for it Mikami, we need some money"  Mikami," No ass clowns, i want all my games on one console and i only like Nintendo because Sony is a dictating bitch and Micro$oft, well is the same way,(also Mikami is secretly allergic to the colors Blue and Green, shhh) so im going to go sign a deal with Nintendo so all of the games are together" 2003 Capcom-"Alright now Miky, you have made 4 Biohazard Nintendo games, and though they were all good, they made a grand total of $45.00 for Capcom, and that sucks.  We Want mediocore rehashes, the fans dont care and we make money! If you dont make Resident Evil online good, than your getting demoted!"  Mikami " OK fine, i will work on that stupid PSpoo.  Dont worry , Resident Evil Online will be GREAT HAHAHA!) Capcom-"Hmm, interesting"  So Mikami goes and works on REO and Capcom takes a look at the prototype copy, and they start playing online. Capcom-"Wow this is fun, lets see what some of the pre-set lazy ass speech samples sound like!"  So to their suprise, the samples consist of "Alright im going to check the corner, their might be a FU*KIN SONY ASS, um i mean zombie their" and "haha Capcom sucks and they smell like poopie"  So Capcom goes to Mikami and demotes him.  Well ok that never happened, but so what!
 

[mouse_clicker]

Meh, Mikami's the best guy Capcom's got- I doubt it was entirely his decision to step down. That'd be like Miyamoto stepping down because SMS didn't sell as well as expected.

[Michael8983]

If Capcom doesn't treat him right, I'm sure he'd be welcome at Nintendo.
Capcom does seem to be a bit of a sinking ship. Maybe Mikami would be smart to ditch the company losing millions and join ranks with the company making hundereds of millions. I'm sure Nintendo would be more forthcoming with the creative freedom as well.

Reading over the news article, I actually think it may have been entirely his decision.
Judging by the reviews, Mikami's PN3 may be the black sheep of the Capcom 5.
Maybe he simply felt someone else at Studio 4 was more deserving of the position.
I doubt any higher ups at Capcom would demote him because of the poor sales of the game. At least not until after it was released in all the major regions. For all Capcom knows, the game could end up being a huge hit in the US or Europe.

[XBR]

I highly doubt that it will be a hit in the US or Europe, Mike.  People wont like it because its all about dancing to kill enemys.  Though if it were on their systems, Xbox cough cough, they would say that it was revolutionary, and the best game ever.  Hmm....

[Michael8983]

You're right. I shouldn't have said "hit". It's really not the kind of game intended to be a hit anyway. It's more of a niche title and I'm sure it didn't cost anywhere near as much to develope as Capcom's big PS2 games. It may not be a hit in the US or Europe but it could do better than Capcom expects in those regions and end up being profitable.  

[Armed]

Go to www.the-magicbox.com

Yeah it is kind of sad how PN03 is barely selling in Japan, but it also had bad reviews, so you can't really blame it on the consumers not wanting to buy it.  I just hope Capcom doesn't cancel the 5 titles for GCN, and the support Mikami is giving GCN because they will probably recover when viewtiful joe comes out, impressions at ign states that it is going to be a fun and addictive game.

[)Dark-LInk(]

i hope this is the LEAVING OF capcom  and the ENTERING of nintendo =) hehe im sure nintendo has a studio to spare for him if he decides to join =)(I HOPE HE DOES!!!)

[Mario]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Mikami, Miyamoto and Kojima all teamed up and made one game! It could be a horror/adventure/stealth game! Or maybe not...

[Hemmorrhoid]

Sure that would be great, but it would be even greater if he came to Nintendo and made a studio for the mature stuff.

[nonjagged]

Mikami gets demoted

This could be the first sign that Mikami is :
- Going to form a 2nd Party for Nintendo but still remain attached to Capcom's heirarchy.
- Going to join that new Nintendo Tokyo Studio through incentives that Nintendo capitalise on Capcom's Mikami demotion decisions?

Clearly there must be some rift. It reminds me of the recent rift between Nintendo and Rare.
Nintendo announcing that Rare was responsible for Mediocre% of sales for Nintendo GCN which was announced barely after 1 Rare title was released for Gamecube which was fact but puzzling at the time.

Mikami's poor recent performance may have been due to the fact that all the recent ps2 games sold poorly (sold porly compared to Gamecubes userbase and its comparison of sales of Capcom games) and because Mikami (in near future) wants to fully support the Gamecube with unproven franchises Capcom is giving birth to bricks regarding their stock shares.

Mikami should join that new Nintendo Tokyo studio. He possibly could come up with his best ever creations if he had Miyamoto to give him ideas/creativity. Look at the relationship between Retro Studios and Nintendo on ED. Imagine what Miyamoto could do with helping Shinji's creativity just as Miyamoto is possibly doing with Kojima's creativity for the apparent MGS GCN title.

You know whats funny is the way innovative-niche games like DOAXBV (no gameplay whatsoever compared to Beach Spikers) and other dodgy innovative games like Blinx (horrendous camera angles) get so much hype and so much advertising and sell 3 times that what they really should have, its funny how Capcom get stuck into Mikami for poor sales of PN03 and many ps2 titles.

It is of my opinion that Capcom should focus on more RPGs. Any decent RPG sells millions in Japan and get hype already before next territorial release, but Mikami is concentrating on genres that could appeal to broader audiences but not Capcom upper ranks? In my opinion if Killer 7 was a stealth-survival horror-RPG that would totally get my attention. One can no longer afford to just create a tried and tested genre like survival horror because the market is no longer interested. We need to go beyond what weve already tried.

It is also of my opinion for Capcom to focus more on lesser consoles so they actually produce AAA software instead of spreading the wealth on all platforms and coming up with B+ Software due to covering more platforms and wasting time on different platform adjustments instead of focusing on select platform(s).

Square and Enix did it pretty much successfully alone on the PS platforms for many years.


2003 = The Year of the Fund Q & Triforce.

[Ninja X]

Quote
Originally posted by: Michael8983

Capcom does seem to be a bit of a sinking ship.

Reading over the news article, I actually think it may have been entirely his decision.    Judging by the reviews, Mikami's PN3 may be the black sheep of the Capcom 5.
Maybe he simply felt someone else at Studio 4 was more deserving of the position.
I doubt any higher ups at Capcom would demote him because of the poor sales of the game. At least not until after it was released in all the major regions. For all Capcom knows, the game could end up being a huge hit in the US or Europe.

This is Capcom's first loss in many years.  They are not even close to a sinking ship.

I doubt P.N. 03 will really take off as a hit and RE0 sold under expectations as well.  I do believe he stepped down to become more involved in his games however.


 

[Ninja X]

Quote
Originally posted by: nonjagged
Mikami gets demoted

This could be the first sign that Mikami is :
- Going to form a 2nd Party for Nintendo but still remain attached to Capcom's heirarchy.
- Going to join that new Nintendo Tokyo Studio through incentives that Nintendo capitalise on Capcom's Mikami demotion decisions?

Clearly there must be some rift. It reminds me of the recent rift between Nintendo and Rare.
Nintendo announcing that Rare was responsible for Mediocre% of sales for Nintendo GCN which was announced barely after 1 Rare title was released for Gamecube which was fact but puzzling at the time.

Mikami's poor recent performance may have been due to the fact that all the recent ps2 games sold poorly (sold porly compared to Gamecubes userbase and its comparison of sales of Capcom games) and because Mikami (in near future) wants to fully support the Gamecube with unproven franchises Capcom is giving birth to bricks regarding their stock shares.

Mikami should join that new Nintendo Tokyo studio. He possibly could come up with his best ever creations if he had Miyamoto to give him ideas/creativity. Look at the relationship between Retro Studios and Nintendo on ED. Imagine what Miyamoto could do with helping Shinji's creativity just as Miyamoto is possibly doing with Kojima's creativity for the apparent MGS GCN title.

You know whats funny is the way innovative-niche games like DOAXBV (no gameplay whatsoever compared to Beach Spikers) and other dodgy innovative games like Blinx (horrendous camera angles) get so much hype and so much advertising and sell 3 times that what they really should have, its funny how Capcom get stuck into Mikami for poor sales of PN03 and many ps2 titles.

It is of my opinion that Capcom should focus on more RPGs. Any decent RPG sells millions in Japan and get hype already before next territorial release, but Mikami is concentrating on genres that could appeal to broader audiences but not Capcom upper ranks? In my opinion if Killer 7 was a stealth-survival horror-RPG that would totally get my attention. One can no longer afford to just create a tried and tested genre like survival horror because the market is no longer interested. We need to go beyond what weve already tried.

It is also of my opinion for Capcom to focus more on lesser consoles so they actually produce AAA software instead of spreading the wealth on all platforms and coming up with B+ Software due to covering more platforms and wasting time on different platform adjustments instead of focusing on select platform(s).

Square and Enix did it pretty much successfully alone on the PS platforms for many years.


2003 = The Year of the Fund Q & Triforce.

First off, Nintendo announced how Rareware was doing poorly in attracting sales before Star Fox Adventures came out.  They based this off of the recent N64 and GBC games Rare produced before SFA came out, my guess.

Second, I am confident Mikami did not develop any PS2 game besides Devil May Cry, which was a big success.  I do not think he was even involved in the sequel to DMC.

Third, it was Silicon Knights who developed Eternal Darkness, not Retro Studios.

Fourth, Miyamoto simply said in an interview Kojima is making a Metal Gear Solid for GCN.  He never said anything about helping Kojima.

Fifth, the RPG market is flooded.  Capcom's top RPG, Breath of Fire, sold below expections.  Decent RPGs will not cut it anymore.  Capcom needs something that can compete with top guns like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest if they want to focus on RPGs.

Sixth, Capcom is multiplatform because more profits can be guaranteed and they have more then enough resources to develop for multiple platforms.  80 different titles across different platforms for one fiscal year? Plus, if Capcom were to cut out one console out of the platforms they develop for, they would cut out the system they develop the least games for.  In other words, Gamecube.  

Seventh, Square and Enix are small companies.  Small companies mostly develop for only one or two platforms.  Examples are Koei, Square, Enix, Factor 5, Tecmo, etc.

So...yeah...  

[Arbok]

"Plus, if Capcom were to cut out one console out of the platforms they develop for, they would cut out the system they develop the least games for. In other words, Gamecube."

If I am not mistaken the Xbox represents the least amount of Capcom's sales, so it seems like a more likely "cut" if that were to happen.

[Ninja X]

Hedorah64

Good point.  I did not consider just how many games Capcom is developing for Xbox or how much money they're making off the system.  Steel Battalion sold below expectations, so I guess you're right on that point.

[StRaNgE]

as far as P.N.O.3 goes, i had planned on buying it when she held guns and  before she shook her butt all over the place.

now i am not sure.
have to wait  and see.

[Grey Ninja]

How much you want to bet that the Capcom brass decides to scrap GCN development based on lower than expected sales of PN03 and RE0, and move the Capcom 4 (RE4 is exclusive) to PS2, in spite of the glaring failures such as Clock Tower 3 on PS2?

[WesDawg]

I doubt that will happen. The Studio 4 site always seemed to be about GC. If they did switch the titles platform, I think it will piss off the directors and probably Nintendo as well. Viewtiful Joe seemed to be just about done too.

PN03 has gotten ok reviews from those who have played it for more than a day. It apparently just isn't real jump-in-and-love-me type. Those who did play it said it was fun though. Gamespot seemed to like it. I'm still planning on buying it when/if it comes over here.

Didn't RE0 sell over a million worldwide though? It seems strange to me that its being called a flop. Geesh, maybe I'm wrong. I searched and all I found was around 300,000 units in Japan. I'll admit that's a little sad considering all the PS1 incarnations sold over 1 mil in Japan alone.

[Grey Ninja]

Resident Evil on Dreamcast and PS2 bombed though.  I thought it was doing pretty well on GameCube as well.  Selling over a million copies worldwide is nothing to complain about IMO.

[Ninja X]

Code Veronica X bombed?  Really?  Show me proof.

[Bloodworth]

There's a lot of speculation happening here, but I think what's happening is probably really simple.  Mikami is a creator and he may not have enjoyed managing the studio as much as having a closer involvement in game development.  

[Mario]

Capcom: Make some games for ps2
Mikami: boo urns, sony is teh suck!!111
Capcom: omgwtf you r so teh demoted!!!1
Random Capcom employee: pwned!!!!