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Should Consoles have a death date ?
« on: December 07, 2009, 07:32:32 PM »
They have a release date, but should they have a date where the publisher (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) says nobody else can make NEW games for x console or x handled. The console or handheld is officially dead and it is time to move onto the next generation.


Nintendo and Microsoft sort of dropped all support for GAMECUBE and XBOX and 3rd party developers dropped support quickly after. So it wasn't a dead date but they pretty much pulled the plug early on.


New games are still releasing for PS2 many of which are big name titles like Madden, or Silent hill. I think PS3 would have a much better sales if Sony put a death date onto the PS2 being January 1st 2008. How many more people would buy a PS2 in 2008 if they knew for a fact not a single new game was going to be released in the future.


Typically a 5 year life span existed, but that isn't really the case anymore.




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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2009, 07:58:52 PM »
The PS3 and 360 should not. Look how different those systems are compared to when they launched.

The Wii heck yeah! Nintendo needs to move forward. I would really like for that to happen soon so I don't lose 100% interest in the Wii.
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 08:03:30 PM »
Typically a 5 year life span existed, but that isn't really the case anymore.
I don't think it ever really was established. A new console was released after about five years, but most systems lasted longer than that. The NES went for 9 years in North America and 20 years in Japan, the SNES went for 7 as well. The only reason the Nintendo 64 and GameCube didn't last after the next system was released is because they were not selling well.

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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2009, 08:04:08 PM »
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2009, 08:20:59 PM »
RROD for everyone by the End of the Year.

PS3 owners included.
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2009, 08:38:14 PM »
Should Consoles have a death date? Vega asked them for a lol
Kraken replied: The Wii heck yeah!
but I think not at all.

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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2009, 09:19:42 PM »
Dreamcast just had a new game come out in Japan. Believe.

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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2009, 11:42:39 PM »
Dreamcast just had a new game come out in Japan. Believe.
But aren't most games released for the Dreamcast in Japan nowadays homebrew?


The PS3 and 360 should not. Look how different those systems are compared to when they launched.
They didn't have games that bankrupted some developers?


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The Wii heck yeah! Nintendo needs to move forward. I would really like for that to happen soon so I don't lose 100% interest in the Wii.
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2009, 11:50:19 PM »
*looks at the topic title*

No, no, and...no.
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2009, 11:55:24 PM »
Even better discussion:


Should game developers/excuse makers have a death date?


It has already happened to a couple.
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 06:39:38 AM »
If Sony had killed the PS2 a couple years ago it probably wouldn't have improved the PS3's position much if at all. All that would likely have accomplished is boost the Wii's sales. People weren't refusing to buy the PS3 because of the PS2's existence; they were refusing to buy the PS3 because it cost $600.

And as for the question, my answer would be no. If a console sells and if it makes money then it is stupid to abandon it, no matter how old it may be. The PS2 still sells at a decent rate, so it would be stupid to pull thhe plug on it. Sony is losing money of the PS3 so they need to be making money somehow.
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 11:32:34 AM »
Answer - yes, consoles should have a death date.
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2009, 12:45:48 PM »
Sony still gets a cut of every PS2 game sold.  So it isn't like this is screwing them.  I think a death date would probably just piss off third parties.  If there is still money to be made by supporting the old system you might as well let people do that.

Backwards compatibility is the ideal solution for this "problem" but Sony removed that feature from the PS3.  So, yeah, tough **** to them if the PS2 cuts into the PS3.  They chose to make it that way.

But it really doesn't matter because Chozo Ghost has it dead on: the PS3 didn't sell well initially because it was just too damn expensive.

One could have an unofficial death date by just ceasing to manufacture the hardware.  If there are no PS2s or memory cards or controllers in stores I highly doubt any third party will bother making a game for a platform that is effectively out-of-print.

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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2009, 03:05:26 PM »
But the PS2 still sells and at a profit. That thing must be damn near free to produce at this point, even in small quantities using the playskool equipment over in the corner of the factory.

Should there be a death date? Of course not.
If someone continues to find a market to sell to on the old hardware, then more power to them.
Why should anyone say they can't if it's only profit for the original manufacturer anyway?

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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2009, 05:40:13 PM »
Maybe it should be like yoghurt and have a "best before date".

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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2009, 06:26:28 PM »
Death date?  How about when retailers decide its no longer worthwhile to stock your system?  Console makers shouldn't be deciding when their customers must stop buying their old consoles.  It'll come back to bite them in the rear.  Kinda like how publishers want to move to download-only, against the wishes of consumers.  Let the market decide when/if a console should be discontinued.

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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2009, 09:35:47 PM »
No, and it pisses me off that MegaMan 9 wasn't released on an NES cart. At least i'd have an excuse for not beating it in 10 years.
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2009, 12:46:47 AM »
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2009, 07:37:37 AM »
One could have an unofficial death date by just ceasing to manufacture the hardware.  If there are no PS2s or memory cards or controllers in stores I highly doubt any third party will bother making a game for a platform that is effectively out-of-print.

That hasn't stopped some companies from releasing titles for the Dreamcast. I think even the old Atari Jaguar is getting games... But of course, these games aren't appearing on store shelves either. AFAIK they are only available directly from the company.

But that works because (AFAIK) there are no licensing fees or developing kits needed to make games on those systems, and even if a company like Sony pulled the plug on their old hardware you can be sure they won't allow 3rd parties to publish games for it without collecting their fees.

Then again, after 20 years the patents expire and it becomes possible to publish games without licensing fees. At least in theory, a company could create and publish new NES games now without paying licensing fees because the patents to the NES are expired. In a year or two the SNES patents will also expire. But then again, these are cartridge systems so it would be costly to do that regardless, but still possible nonetheless.

Come to think of it, because of patent expiration 3rd party companies are legally allowed to produce the hardware as well as the games for said system. There are actually 3rd party knock-offs of NES consoles available, as well as the controllers and so forth. So not only do systems like this not die, but they actually witness a rebirth. it will be a long time before the PS2's patents expire, but we may see a similar thing happen then.
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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2009, 04:18:20 PM »
Wasn't there a game for the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive released recently called Beggar Prince?

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Re: Should Consoles have a death date ?
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2009, 04:58:21 AM »
Come to think of it, because of patent expiration 3rd party companies are legally allowed to produce the hardware as well as the games for said system. There are actually 3rd party knock-offs of NES consoles available, as well as the controllers and so forth. So not only do systems like this not die, but they actually witness a rebirth. it will be a long time before the PS2's patents expire, but we may see a similar thing happen then.

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