Topic: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare coming to Wii 11/10/09

[KDR_11k]

Where did everybodyget it from? I thought it's not coming until the 10th?

The Wii I'm playing it on is NTSC, but the game is PAL, so there are more "jaggies" than there normally would be, or at least they're a little more pronounced, since the PAL version outputs at 525i or 525p, I believe. At least all the in-game videos look messed up because of the regional difference.

It actually does 525i at 50Hz, 480i at 60Hz and 480p at 60Hz. The 60Hz modes are still PAL modes though since they use PAL color encoding, not NTSC.

[BwrJim!]

So here is my quick and dirty review of the review build of COD reflex for the US

First, Holy $#it..  what a great job infinity did preserve some quality on the graphics/animation.  Good job..  but the comment really comes from my wife wanting to sit down and actually play this game and shoot all the "fu@kers" in this game.  now she is a minigame cooking mama player.. so wow..   

Then, we jump into the control schemes.   At start there are like 6 differnt levels from novice to insane (insane being the twitchy gamer) these are all related to sensitivity.   Then there are also presets that you can customize like conduit and what not.   so not too shabby actually.

Where did we get pissed?

Well, after fiddling around with differnt controls to find what would work best for my wife (did really well with the zapper....  at first)..  but once she did a level where you are escaping from the sinking boat... PISSED her off.  THe controls fall apart on this part because of the chaos and the getting stuck on a small beam.  I had to switch it to normal nunchuk and wiimote and get her off.  I couldnt even do it with the zapper addition.. Too damn confusing.   

Then of course, we tried plugging in the classic controller.  NOPE.. not allowed.. doesnt support it..   wtf?   why not?   then.. of course the 2nd biggest complaint.   NO FREAKING MULTIPLE SAVE FILES>    just one. 

So, really.. really one save file?   

So the game is fun, well made and controls are fine  minus the above complaints.   It got my wife into this but one crappy save file.

ok..

she said shes done with it..  no more.. my hopes of playing games like this with her in the future have been destroyed do too that zapper and controller schemes.

IW...   almost.. not just there.   I didnt have a chance to go multi with my friend who is always nice to stop by with his latest toys, but I am sure it will be very fun.

[KDR_11k]

Treyarch, not IW.

[BlackNMild2k1]

So here is my quick and dirty review of the review build of COD reflex for the US

First, Holy $#it..  what a great job infinity Treyarch did preserve some quality on the graphics/animation.  Good job..  but the comment really comes from my wife wanting to sit down and actually play this game and shoot all the "fu@kers" in this game.  now she is a minigame cooking mama player.. so wow..   

Treyarch, not IW.

Exactly, Infinity Ward did not touch this port and they didn't even want it to exist.
All credit goes to Treyarch

[BwrJim!]

then why did i just see activision and IF logos.. and thats it.?

edit.. Treyarch did a great job.  When I can buy this on tuesday, i am going to pick it up.. It feels so much better than world at war and besides the complaints..  (the save file bugs me the most) It is very solid.

(edit 2)  oh btw, i typically HATE war games based in reality.    so its pretty big for me to buy something like this on day one.

[BlackNMild2k1]

then why did i just see activision and IF logos.. and thats it.?

I linked to a pretty solid theory earlier on the previous page

I just read a pretty believable theory on the drama between Infinity Ward and Treyarch. Mix that with the history of Activision, and you'd have to wonder how they sit by and let this happen.

Call of Doody: Enemy of Mine

a small snippet from the Activision Wiki

Before the formation of Activision, software for video game consoles were published exclusively by makers of the systems for which the games were designed. For example, Atari was the only publisher of games for the Atari 2600. This was particularly galling to the developers of the games, as they received no financial rewards for games that sold well, and did not receive credit for their games. This caused several programmers to resign from their jobs. Activision became the first third-party game publisher for game consoles.

How quickly we forget.

But a quick summary is that IW feels like they are being challenged by Treyarch yet IW only wants to work on the best tech they can. Treyarch got a last minute chance to do a Wii port since the Wii is beneath IW's time and not worth the effort. That is why someone(IW?) leaked a pre-alpha photo of the game and Activision still has not put out a single piece of updated artwork or even a teaser video.

The game isn't even mentioned on Activision's or Treyarch's site. I checked both of them myself.

Someone on GAF works for Treyarch and mentioned how they weren't allowed to put their own splash page at the beginning of the game(only Activision & IW) even though Treyarch did the entire port job of the game and that Treyarch is only credited somewhere in the middle of the credits at the end. It's how INfinity Ward gets to take all the credit(if it succeeds) and protect their precious franchise.

That's why I was conflicted on whether I wanted to see this game fail or succeed.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

"oh btw, i typically HATE war games based in reality.    so its pretty big for me to buy something like this on day one."

These games come with a spoonful of sugar.  Based in reality, quite unrealistic and very sensationalized in presentation and interaction.  To make war "fun" it has to be a piece of cake for regular folk.  Take out the danger of being killed easily, remove the squad interaction and strategy a soldier would typically have to exercise, and at the very least, design the levels well enough to make suitable "playgrounds" for the player.  The biggest positive difference this gen's war games have over previous generations is the size, variety, and detail in the levels.  But the rest of the casualized war-play is pretty much the same throughout this last decade.

"The game isn't even mentioned on Activision's or Treyarch's site. I checked both of them myself."

Jurassic: the Hunted also doesn't get much of a mention.  There's a multiplatform page, but any Wii-specific media?  NOPE.  It's getting the Wii World at War treatment.

D=

[BwrJim!]

well, if thats IF idea, they will be getting the big middle finger from Trey when it does well.   I bet there is something in the contracts that stipulates, if the game does well, TREY gets all sorts of KUDOS on thier next game.

[KDR_11k]

How do you get IF out of Infinity Ward?

[BwrJim!]

quick.. look over there -------->

[BlackNMild2k1]

well, if thats IF idea, they will be getting the big middle finger from Trey when it does well.   I bet there is something in the contracts that stipulates, if the game does well, TREY gets all sorts of KUDOS on thier next game.

But didn't the last 2 ports of CoD games from Treyarch do good too?
CoD3(whatever the subtitle) & CoD4:WaW

[BwrJim!]

I never checked out cod3 as I still am not a fan of the type of game.. I play games to escape reality..   I got WaW for multiplayer, which no one here plays 8P  and now I actually want to get this new one.  I believe they did all of those though and What I am thinking is that if they have a name that is so muted in its making of it, then I would hope they either get a large kickback and possibly (which is where I was going with this) a new title of their own.   kind of like earning their stripes by going through this hassle with Inf.

[Mop it up]

I wonder if this game is a lose-lose situation. If it sells well, third-parties will probably learn the wrong lesson and think that they can keep releasing ports of older games. If it sells poorly, they will probably think that there isn't a market for this type of game on Wii.

Whatever happens with it, I expect somebody to use it as "proof" of some sort of excuse.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Mop it up: everything is a test when it comes to Wii.

Bwr: I think that's part of the reason IW as a grudge with Treyarch(if that GS theory was accurate). Apparently Activision game Trey a shot at their own CoD game and then IW took over the project or something(I don't feel like going back and reading the whole thing right now), and IW wants to make sure that no one makes a CoD game besides them.

[KDR_11k]

Eh, even if they learn that late ports work that's still better than nothing.

[Stratos]

At least late ports brings us back to where we were last gen.

[BranDonk Kong]

Having played the first level again, I'd have to say, although it's a much different color scheme (it's "HD brown" on an SD system for most of the game), that COD:MWR looks better than the Conduit. A lot better.

[Mop it up]

At least late ports brings us back to where we were last gen.

And that makes it acceptable? Each generation Nintendo has lost third-parties; the SNES had fewer exclusives, the N64 had only a few exclusives and ports, the GCN had only late ports, and the Wii has to catch up to a weak standard of the previous generation?

That's what bothers me about third-parties. Not only do they toss mere scraps to the Wii userbase, but they expect them to be THANKFUL for it. That's despicable.

[KDR_11k]

Well, if the predictions are true the third parties who don't support the Wii will bleed for it.

[BlackNMild2k1]

They are already bleeding, but like in zombie movies they are trying to hide the wound for as long as possible.

[Stratos]

At least late ports brings us back to where we were last gen.

And that makes it acceptable? Each generation Nintendo has lost third-parties; the SNES had fewer exclusives, the N64 had only a few exclusives and ports, the GCN had only late ports, and the Wii has to catch up to a weak standard of the previous generation?

That's what bothers me about third-parties. Not only do they toss mere scraps to the Wii userbase, but they expect them to be THANKFUL for it. That's despicable.

I should have added sarcasm tags or a  to that statement. I wasn't trying to look at the bright side of the situation, more laughing at how pathetic the state of Wii 3rd Excuse Makers are that it took three years to get us back the the last-gen standard.

[Spinnzilla]

Having played the first level again, I'd have to say, although it's a much different color scheme (it's "HD brown" on an SD system for most of the game), that COD:MWR looks better than the Conduit. A lot better.

I have to agree with this for the most part.  While a lot of the guns and hands look really well done in FP view in the conduit, the envoirments are damn fugly.  Thank god, the Quantum3 engine is already better. 

What really amazes me is how rock steady the online is on COD4.

[Stratos]

So CoD4 performs better than Conduit online? That is nice to hear. I only wish it had WiiSpeak

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Does it?  I hear the hax0rs are out in force.

How does the framerate hold up with the screen gets busy?

[EasyCure]

so many typos in this thread...