Topic: The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword

[Stogi]

I believe you may be right in terms of Nintendo fully embracing online without restrictions this decade, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I allow a LoZ MMO especially before Pokemon, a series that is begging for it, turns into one.

[Kytim89]

The new Zelda game may be the biggest project that Nintendo has taken on in its years of gaming. Much bigger than any game or console, including the wii itself. If not the biggesst, then certainly the most ambitious. This game may truly define what the wii is exactly trying to prove to the consumer and fans. Games released after this one will have to adapt to what ever standard that it sets in the gaming community. The PS3 and 360 motion controlled games may learn something as well. In a sense, the game may manifest a sense of universalism among the gaming communities.

[Stogi]

That's exactly right. It seems out to prove everyone else wrong.

[Kytim89]

That's exactly right. It seems out to prove everyone else wrong.

What do you mean?

[BlackNMild2k1]

Zelda Wii will make you say "Natal/Arc what? Is that some kind of new weapon that Link gets to use?"

[Kytim89]

The game will make us forget about Ocarina of Time. 

[Stogi]

As much as people love motion controls, it seems largely ignored by the "hardcore" community. I think this game is out to prove everyone wrong.

[Dirk Temporo]

As much as people love motion controls, it seems largely ignored by the "hardcore" community. I think this game is out to prove everyone wrong.

Big words considering we know literally nothing about it.

[Stogi]

We actually know a lot about it.

We know it's going to revolve around M+
We know it's going to be very different from previous Zelda's
We know it won't release until it is "Perfect"
We know it's been in development for over 4 years
We know it's going to be graphically superior to TP
We know it's going to control better than TP

[Peachylala]

We also know that the gaming media will find something wrong with it, no matter how great it is.
 
And the Zel-tards will find something to bitch about.

[Stogi]

That's very true.

And I wonder if we can assume it's going to use "Super Guide" or whatever.

[EasyCure]

That's very true.

And I wonder if we can assume it's going to use "Super Guide" or whatever.

Perhaps, didn't the original Super Guide patents use "The Legend of OO" as an example of how the SG would work? It'd seem odd if Nintendo would patent the idea using something that not only sounds, but looks like, a Zelda title and not use it in one. NSMBW was like a watered down version of what the SG could be, considering the jump it would make moving from a side scrolling game ot a full 3D one.

I believe you may be right in terms of Nintendo fully embracing online without restrictions this decade, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I allow a LoZ MMO especially before Pokemon, a series that is begging for it, turns into one.

I on the other hand would NOT want to see a Zelda MMO. Maybe a spin-off or something, but they might as well create a new IP if they want to jump in to MMO territory... OH GOD I SOUND LIKE IAN!

[BlackNMild2k1]

I believe you may be right in terms of Nintendo fully embracing online without restrictions this decade, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I allow a LoZ MMO especially before Pokemon, a series that is begging for it, turns into one.

I on the other hand would NOT want to see a Zelda MMO. Maybe a spin-off or something, but they might as well create a new IP if they want to jump in to MMO territory... OH GOD I SOUND LIKE IAN!

No, if they want to jump into MMO territory, they better start with Pokemon. The whole series from the beginning including the cartoons seems like it was unknowingly created with MMO in mind.

[EasyCure]

I believe you may be right in terms of Nintendo fully embracing online without restrictions this decade, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I allow a LoZ MMO especially before Pokemon, a series that is begging for it, turns into one.

I on the other hand would NOT want to see a Zelda MMO. Maybe a spin-off or something, but they might as well create a new IP if they want to jump in to MMO territory... OH GOD I SOUND LIKE IAN!

No, if they want to jump into MMO territory, they better start with Pokemon. The whole series from the beginning including the cartoons seems like it was unknowingly created with MMO in mind.

Actually thats true, I'm no longer a big pokemon fan so it's not in my head enough for me to have made this post. If Nintendo wants to make an MMO, they start with pokemon. If they want to make one (after a Pokemon MMO) that involves a fantasy land with swords and magic, etc, then they should create a new IP and just leave Zelda alone. Or just make a Fire Emblem one, I don't know much about the series but being a more typical RPG with multiple characters, it'd lend itself better to an MMO than Zelda, a solo experience, would.

[Ian Sane]

I get this feeling that when people ask for an MMO they really don't know what the hell they're asking for.  It's like that's the in thing these days so I should take everything I like and instinctively add "MMO" to the end of it.  Yar's Revenge MMO!! YEAH!

MMO's suck nuts anyway.  To get the format to work with so many players the whole thing boils down to a time consuming grindfest.

[BlackNMild2k1]

But isn't that what Pokemon is?

[Kytim89]

What would a Zelda MMO be like in terms of game play?

[Stogi]

I believe you may be right in terms of Nintendo fully embracing online without restrictions this decade, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I allow a LoZ MMO especially before Pokemon, a series that is begging for it, turns into one.

I on the other hand would NOT want to see a Zelda MMO. Maybe a spin-off or something, but they might as well create a new IP if they want to jump in to MMO territory... OH GOD I SOUND LIKE IAN!

No, if they want to jump into MMO territory, they better start with Pokemon. The whole series from the beginning including the cartoons seems like it was unknowingly created with MMO in mind.

Actually thats true, I'm no longer a big pokemon fan so it's not in my head enough for me to have made this post. If Nintendo wants to make an MMO, they start with pokemon. If they want to make one (after a Pokemon MMO) that involves a fantasy land with swords and magic, etc, then they should create a new IP and just leave Zelda alone. Or just make a Fire Emblem one, I don't know much about the series but being a more typical RPG with multiple characters, it'd lend itself better to an MMO than Zelda, a solo experience, would.

I thought the use of "a cold day in hell" was pretty emphatic

[MoronSonOfBoron]

 TLDR: There's no reason to play Pokemon online with other players outside of battles and trading. Same goes for most of Nintendo's other franchises, which focus on individual battles or game sessions, rather than persistent-world mechanics.

Pokemon isn't suitable for an MMO because there's no reason to play the main game with other players, on- or off-line. The only parts of Pokemon that support any online component are the battle mode and the Global Trade, which both make use of the internet to find suitable players. Otherwise, there's no point in walking around not!Japan while your buddy is on the other side of the in-game continent; what's to guarantee that you're playing in the same area and can progress together? The real multiplayer component of Pokemon comes from the metagame, the society and subculture it creates.

Mario and Zelda have both experimented with the multiplayer field: the most recent (and most successful) trek has been NSMBWii, which was more of a face-to-face thing, and before then there was the short-lived Four Swords franchise. In both of these cases, multiplayer was based on a cooperative/competitive mode of play, as opposed to the typical persistent-world approach for MMOs.

The only thing an online component would bring to Nintendo's multiplayer philosophy is player matchmaking, as they did with Pokemon's Global Trade System, SSBBrawl, and Mario Kart Wii, but it's general consensus Nintendo still lacks the serious technical chops to make synchronous online play feasible for most of their own games.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I know this topic isn't about Pokemon, but how is Pokemon not suitable to be an MMO?
you woander around and hunt pokemon, then endlessly grind your pokemon to level up and eventually evolve if you want then you take them to Dojo's where you battle against the established local talent for trophies then move on to the next area.

That is the practically the definition of MMO and would work perfectly as one if it was given the chance to. With a never ending amount of tournaments and always the need to protect your title, the constant introduction of new Pokemon and new areas in which to find them would be a non-stop revenue generating phenomenon. Not to mention special pokeballs or the need to get new pokeballs, and more starage space, and etc etc etc..... How could you think otherwise?
Or maybe it's just because I've never actually played a Pokemon game that I've got it all wrong, but I doubt it.

[EasyCure]

I believe you may be right in terms of Nintendo fully embracing online without restrictions this decade, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I allow a LoZ MMO especially before Pokemon, a series that is begging for it, turns into one.

I on the other hand would NOT want to see a Zelda MMO. Maybe a spin-off or something, but they might as well create a new IP if they want to jump in to MMO territory... OH GOD I SOUND LIKE IAN!

No, if they want to jump into MMO territory, they better start with Pokemon. The whole series from the beginning including the cartoons seems like it was unknowingly created with MMO in mind.

Actually thats true, I'm no longer a big pokemon fan so it's not in my head enough for me to have made this post. If Nintendo wants to make an MMO, they start with pokemon. If they want to make one (after a Pokemon MMO) that involves a fantasy land with swords and magic, etc, then they should create a new IP and just leave Zelda alone. Or just make a Fire Emblem one, I don't know much about the series but being a more typical RPG with multiple characters, it'd lend itself better to an MMO than Zelda, a solo experience, would.

I thought the use of "a cold day in hell" was pretty emphatic

I was too lazy to go back to the previous page and quote the person you were commenting to

[MoronSonOfBoron]

With a never ending amount of tournaments and always the need to protect your title, the constant introduction of new Pokemon and new areas in which to find them would be a non-stop revenue generating phenomenon. Not to mention special pokeballs or the need to get new pokeballs, and more starage space, and etc etc etc..... How could you think otherwise?

It already works like that.  :

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

The future of Pokemans is DLC.

EAT IT

[BlackNMild2k1]

With a never ending amount of tournaments and always the need to protect your title, the constant introduction of new Pokemon and new areas in which to find them would be a non-stop revenue generating phenomenon. Not to mention special pokeballs or the need to get new pokeballs, and more starage space, and etc etc etc..... How could you think otherwise?

It already works like that.  :

I know, now throw 10's to 100's of 1000's people all doing it together at the same time, double teaming new ennviromental or non-pokemon challenges from NPC Anti-Pokemon wanna be team rockets (or whoever everyone would go against) and the ability to watch and/or participate in giant Battle Arena battles for rare prizes, fame and pokemon. Sound like a recipe for MMO Platinum to me.

[EasyCure]

With a never ending amount of tournaments and always the need to protect your title, the constant introduction of new Pokemon and new areas in which to find them would be a non-stop revenue generating phenomenon. Not to mention special pokeballs or the need to get new pokeballs, and more starage space, and etc etc etc..... How could you think otherwise?

It already works like that.  :

Not to mention viewing high ranking pokemon battles (live!?) and being able to bet money, or even pokemon, on the outcome. Sounds addictive..

I know, now throw 10's to 100's of 1000's people all doing it together at the same time, double teaming new ennviromental or non-pokemon challenges from NPC Anti-Pokemon wanna be team rockets (or whoever everyone would go against) and the ability to watch and/or participate in giant Battle Arena battles for rare prizes, fame and pokemon. Sound like a recipe for MMO Platinum to me.