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« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2009, 01:09:47 PM »
Honestly I love this new Nintendo that only announces games that are to be released at a maximum of six months after said announcement. If you aren't going to release it this year then don't mention it, long waits are horrible and make anything a dissapointment (example: Twilight Princess).
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« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2009, 01:57:38 PM »
I agree with BnM. If you don't play, you can't win.
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Re: FEATURES: E3 '09 Predictions
« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2009, 02:20:05 PM »
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I forgot to include it in my predictions, but I stand by my podcast prediction of Good-Feel making a Star Fox game. It might be too early for Good-Feel to be showing anything at E3, though.

The Wario Land: Shake It! guys?  Well I really like that game so on that hand it's encouraging but it's 2D.  Star Fox has to be 3D.  What 3D games have they made?

Though with Star Fox, right now only EAD taking back the franchise would give me any interest in it.  It needs a big comeback and it has to prove itself to me.

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« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2009, 02:41:51 PM »
Good Feel, Ian, is made up of the people who worked at KCE Kobe, whom made the Ganbare Goemon series. With EAD's direct support, they could easily make a great Star Fox/*insert Nintendo game here*. Wario Land: Shake It! was awesome, their awesome development expertise should continue.

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If you aren't going to release it this year then don't mention it, long waits are horrible and make anything a dissapointment (example: Twilight Princess).
Twilight Sellout was a disappointment due to the fact Nintendo was pandering to the annoying fanbase, thus making it Ocarina of Time 2.0, with more suck.

Excluding the Ocean King Temple, Phantom Hourglass is what Twilight Princess should've been. A good story line, interesting side-characters, and it didn't take long to get into.
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Re: FEATURES: E3 '09 Predictions
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2009, 03:39:12 PM »

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If you aren't going to release it this year then don't mention it, long waits are horrible and make anything a dissapointment (example: Twilight Princess).
Twilight Sellout was a disappointment due to the fact Nintendo was pandering to the annoying fanbase, thus making it Ocarina of Time 2.0, with more suck.

The long wait was also a factor on that. Much more time to listen to the annoying fanbase and let it influence the development in a bad way. I remember one of the designer of the game saying in one of those interesting interviews how that fanboy reaction to the E3 2004 trailer was important to them. Imagine what kind of image of the "hardcore" player they had and what kind of pressure.
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« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2009, 03:55:57 PM »
You can all speak for yourselves, Twilight Princess was hands down the best Zelda game yet.
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« Reply #56 on: May 28, 2009, 04:00:40 PM »
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« Reply #57 on: May 28, 2009, 04:43:26 PM »
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Twilight Sellout was a disappointment due to the fact Nintendo was pandering to the annoying fanbase, thus making it Ocarina of Time 2.0, with more suck.

When playing through it I wondered if Nintendo did that on purpose.  Like Nintendo didn't want to make that game and was pissed that Wind Waker was coldly received so they made Twilight Princess as generic as possible to "prove" Wind Waker's superiority and make it out like anyone asking for realistic Zelda was against innovation or creativity.  I don't think anyone was really calling for Ocarina of Time 2.0.  What it was was simply that Nintendo showed us all a really awesome Zelda video at Spaceworld and then gave us a cartoon Zelda that looked NOTHING like what we had gotten hyped up about.  The bait and switch is largely the reason for Wind Waker backlash (though I maintain that it looks NOTHING like Zelda) and that's why people wanted realistic Zelda.  Nintendo showed something, we wanted it, Nintendo took it away and we bitched and I think we were totally in the right there.  The way Nintendo handled Wind Waker was a major PR **** up, kind of like last year's E3 actually.

Anyway Wind Waker isn't creative because of its look.  Take away the look and it's just a very conventional Zelda game with a really boring ass overworld.  I'd say it's not very original or creative at all.  We wanted a look that better matched the Spaceworld footage and was preferrably on land since the ocean was so lame.  It was Nintendo's decision to make it so generic and use a Hyrule that was nearly identical to OoT.  I figure it was either Nintendo's protest against making a game they didn't really want to make or they greatly overcompensated to the negative reaction to Wind Waker and assumed everyone was angry about change itself, when it really was the specific nature of the change that people didn't like.

Phantom Hourglass is the worst Zelda entirely because the controls make it an utter chore to play though.  Spirit Tracks will probably be the first Zelda game I don't purchase and that sucks because there is a good game trapped somewhere in PH.  :(

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« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2009, 05:53:53 PM »
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Twilight Sellout was a disappointment due to the fact Nintendo was pandering to the annoying fanbase, thus making it Ocarina of Time 2.0, with more suck.
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« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2009, 06:12:42 PM »
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Twilight Sellout was a disappointment due to the fact Nintendo was pandering to the annoying fanbase, thus making it Ocarina of Time 2.0, with more suck.

When playing through it I wondered if Nintendo did that on purpose.  Like Nintendo didn't want to make that game and was pissed that Wind Waker was coldly received so they made Twilight Princess as generic as possible to "prove" Wind Waker's superiority and make it out like anyone asking for realistic Zelda was against innovation or creativity.  I don't think anyone was really calling for Ocarina of Time 2.0.  What it was was simply that Nintendo showed us all a really awesome Zelda video at Spaceworld and then gave us a cartoon Zelda that looked NOTHING like what we had gotten hyped up about.  The bait and switch is largely the reason for Wind Waker backlash (though I maintain that it looks NOTHING like Zelda) and that's why people wanted realistic Zelda.  Nintendo showed something, we wanted it, Nintendo took it away and we bitched and I think we were totally in the right there.  The way Nintendo handled Wind Waker was a major PR **** up, kind of like last year's E3 actually.

Anyway Wind Waker isn't creative because of its look.  Take away the look and it's just a very conventional Zelda game with a really boring ass overworld.  I'd say it's not very original or creative at all.  We wanted a look that better matched the Spaceworld footage and was preferrably on land since the ocean was so lame.  It was Nintendo's decision to make it so generic and use a Hyrule that was nearly identical to OoT.  I figure it was either Nintendo's protest against making a game they didn't really want to make or they greatly overcompensated to the negative reaction to Wind Waker and assumed everyone was angry about change itself, when it really was the specific nature of the change that people didn't like.

Phantom Hourglass is the worst Zelda entirely because the controls make it an utter chore to play though.  Spirit Tracks will probably be the first Zelda game I don't purchase and that sucks because there is a good game trapped somewhere in PH.  :(

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I understand that Twilight Princess was a disappointment for many, but really? You HONESTLY believe Nintendo made the game as a big f*ck you to their fans? REALLY?

While I admit Twilight Princess was not a perfect game there was a lot of love put into it, believe it or not. The music was great, it had some amazing moments, the graphics were great, the characters were great and even if the gameplay borrowed too much from Ocarina of Time it did provide some amazing moments.

At this point, I honestly believe that fans will never be pleased with Zelda, no matter who makes the game, what type of graphics it uses or what gameplay innovations brings to the table. Ocarina of Time was great, but fans still prefer Link to the Past. Majora's Mask was great, but it was too different from Ocarina of Time. Wind Waker was great, but felt rushed. Twilight Princess was great, but was too much like Ocarina of Time. Finally, Phantom Hourglass was great but a lot of people didn't get the touch screen controls.

Sensing a pattern? It seems that no matter how great a Zelda game ends up being fans will still find something to complain about and claim they can do better.

In my case, I'll just shut my mind off and enjoy the ride. So far I have enjoyed all the Zelda games that I have played. Even Wind Waker, which is my least favorite Zelda so far, manage to create a lot of wonderful moments in both gameplay and character presentation.
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Re: FEATURES: E3 '09 Predictions
« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2009, 06:39:46 PM »
I agree with BnM. If you don't play, you can't win.
If you don't eat the cereal you won't get the prize right? Wrong. They now put the toy on top of the cereal bag in the box. Should I open the box upside down so that I have to work for the prize?

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« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2009, 07:51:21 PM »
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You HONESTLY believe Nintendo made the game as a big f*ck you to their fans? REALLY?

Not a "**** you" but possibly that they felt obligated to make a realistic Zelda so they didn't have the same creative passion for it.  They still did a good job because they have pride in their work.  Though it's probably more likely that they just interpretted the negative reaction to Wind Waker to mean "make more of the same".

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At this point, I honestly believe that fans will never be pleased with Zelda, no matter who makes the game, what type of graphics it uses or what gameplay innovations brings to the table. Ocarina of Time was great, but fans still prefer Link to the Past. Majora's Mask was great, but it was too different from Ocarina of Time. Wind Waker was great, but felt rushed. Twilight Princess was great, but was too much like Ocarina of Time. Finally, Phantom Hourglass was great but a lot of people didn't get the touch screen controls.

Sensing a pattern? It seems that no matter how great a Zelda game ends up being fans will still find something to complain about and claim they can do better.

To be fair it's not always the same person complaining about each game.  For example I would say both N64 games absolutely nailed it but others would disagree.

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« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2009, 09:45:04 PM »
I actually can't wait for the new Zelda, no matter my opinion of Twilight Princess. And  I did love the game, but it still left a weird taste. The problem with PH is from what I've read is always the temple of the ocean king, a dungeon I loved, which was awesome but gamers just didn't get it. The controls are perfect and honestly I've only heard Ian complaining about them, but its Ian.

The reason for wanting the next Zelda is what happened with Mario Galaxy, TP was not only under this pressure to be "gritty" and "real", it changed platforms mid-development, and only as an strategy to push the wii launch, anyone who thinks different is just naive. Now with complete freedom from such pressures, specially having to shoehorn controls to a game that wasn't design around them, we have the chance to get the mario galaxy of the Zelda franchise this time.
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« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2009, 09:51:23 PM »
Any Lotion Puss Link's Adventure has to measure up to Zack & Wiki in terms of inventiveness.  Giving us Toilet Princess Plus won't cut it.
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« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2009, 11:09:21 PM »
how about this, miyamoto takes personal intrest and development in zelda again.. <<<<shocker>>>>

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« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2009, 11:15:17 PM »
How about we not argue about Twilight Princess any more, OK?
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Re: FEATURES: E3 '09 Predictions
« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2009, 11:21:30 PM »
how about this, miyamoto takes personal intrest and development in zelda again.. <<<<shocker>>>>

Considering that Twilight Princess was easily the best Zelda game EVER, the series is fine being handled by Aonuma. I hope he stays in charge of the series as long as he is still with Nintendo.

I only see a small minority of people complaining about the game, but you get that with every game.
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Re: FEATURES: E3 '09 Predictions
« Reply #67 on: May 29, 2009, 12:21:21 AM »
TP was fantastic, but I'd still prefer they wipe the slate clean.
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« Reply #68 on: May 29, 2009, 12:45:06 AM »
I can't believe I still haven't played Zelda: Twilight Princess. I really need to get that before the next one comes out (and so I can join the resistance against the haters).

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« Reply #69 on: May 29, 2009, 10:38:32 AM »
More on topic, when's Nintendo's E3 conference scheduled to happen?

TP was fantastic, but I'd still prefer they wipe the slate clean.

Given Pro's "Toilet Princess" I read that as "wipe the seat clean".

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« Reply #70 on: May 29, 2009, 11:49:04 AM »
Tuesday, June 2nd at 9am Pacific/Noon Eastern.
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« Reply #71 on: May 29, 2009, 12:02:18 PM »
What's that in GMT?

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« Reply #72 on: May 29, 2009, 12:35:48 PM »
Tuesday, June 2nd at 9am Pacific/Noon Eastern.
What's that in GMT?

now all you have to figure out is if he means PST or PDT

hint: the current time on the West Coast is 9:43am
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« Reply #73 on: May 29, 2009, 12:46:11 PM »
Last time I tried to use google for a timezone conversion it didn't yield useful results.

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« Reply #74 on: May 29, 2009, 12:51:04 PM »
thats why I gave you the math (through Google) & gave you the current Pacific time. Using one and/or the other you should be able to figure out the GMT

p.s. Forum time has been an hour behind ever since DST, its not a big deal, but thought i should bring it to someones attention.
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