Author Topic: Star Trek (Read 22008 times)

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #50 on:** May 19, 2009, 06:15:49 PM »

You don't get it. They're never going back to the old timeline. Believing that there is a chance they will is only going to disappoint you in the long run.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #51 on:** May 19, 2009, 06:49:10 PM »

They will eventually, it may take awhile but Paramount would keep their backs turned to real Trek fans forever. Eventually they will go back to the real timeline. For folks who like this alternate one, they can stick that to books and video games.

Is there a particular reason you seem to prefer this alternate timeline rather than the real one?

Stogi · « **Reply #52 on:** May 19, 2009, 07:57:25 PM »

The alternate timeline allows them more creative freedom.

ThePerm · « **Reply #53 on:** May 19, 2009, 08:43:01 PM »

heres the timeline
theres kirk, spock, bones, chekov, scotty, sulu, and Uhura. Some unimportant details.

the new timeline
theres kirk, spock, bones, chekov, scotty, sulu, and Uhura. Some unimportant details.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #54 on:** May 19, 2009, 08:43:56 PM »

Quote from: ThePerm on May 19, 2009, 08:43:01 PM

heres the timeline
theres kirk, spock, bones, chekov, scotty, sulu, and Uhura. Some unimportant details.

the new timeline
theres kirk, spock, bones, chekov, scotty, sulu, and Uhura. Some unimportant details.

You forget one ship is made out of plywood with christmas lights on it.

bustin98 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 19, 2009, 11:34:38 PM »

All the old stories can be retold now. Captain Pike getting to walk again, Genesis Project, Kahn, Harry Mudd (!!), Q, Borg... Everything gets a new spin.

(Yes, I'm being silly)

I don't see the old timeline coming back. This is a new Trek for a new generation. Just like Transformers will never go back to G1 except in overpriced toys.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #56 on:** May 19, 2009, 11:40:55 PM »

There is a huge difference between Transformers G1 and the real Trek timeline. Transformers started as a toyline and only later got adapted into cartoon series and movies and G1 was ended back in 1991. Star Trek has 40+ years of canon behind it. I would be fine with letting this alternate timeline have the movies if the real timeline got a TV series (the current Transformers TV show has nothing to do with the crappy live action movie, for example).

bustin98 · « **Reply #57 on:** May 20, 2009, 12:28:34 AM »

I don't think anything can compare to the history of Trek. The closest is Bond, but that franchise gets a kick in the pants everytime someone new plays Bond. I still miss Q, M should be a man, and Moneypenny should eternally pine for hot Bond love.

The quicker you accept the changes, the happier you'll be. Light a candle, say a prayer. "He's dead, Jim"

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #58 on:** May 20, 2009, 02:23:38 AM »

TJ, have you even seen the movie yet?
I think you should go watch it, let the movie digest for a little while, and then come back and tell us how you really feel.

I think a re-boot is the best option for the series. Like said before, its a new Trek for a new generation.
Now a whole new generation of Trek fans can be brought into the fold with all new story lines that change nothing from the old Trek universe.
There is nothing to be mad at here. consider the old Trek to have run its course, and new Trek is here to pick up where it left off.

Its an alter-trek but i think it was explained and executed perfectly to tie in with the "canon" series without taking anything away from it.
seriously, just go watch the movie and let it all soak in for a while. New Trek is a good thing, not all change is bad.

ThePerm · « **Reply #59 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:08:40 AM »

i don't see a huge difference in storylines, the original series was only on for 3 seasons, most episodes don't even tie together. Anything that happens post kirk era will be retroactively fixed as the newer series goes on. The only thing that has been canon is the interactions with other aliens(klingons and romulans) which is minimal in the new movie(or at least in this movie their interaction doesn't count). Its like an origina story with an alternate origin, and this alternate origin is explained in the movie. The real canon universe still exists, but its only accessable through black hole Leonard Nemoy explains the whole thing in a very satisfactory way(and funny)

oohhboy · « **Reply #60 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:22:12 AM »

I am just throwing this out there but what if this is the mirror universe where Spock gets his Goatee on? However unlikely it is, it is a direction they could take. The destruction of a founding UFP member could have been that event that spawned the Terrain empire.

UncleBob · « **Reply #61 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:54:11 AM »

Didn't watch much Enterprise, did ya?

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #62 on:** May 20, 2009, 12:58:35 PM »

Quote from: TJ Spyke on May 19, 2009, 06:49:10 PM

They will eventually, it may take awhile but Paramount would keep their backs turned to real Trek fans forever. Eventually they will go back to the real timeline. For folks who like this alternate one, they can stick that to books and video games.

Is there a particular reason you seem to prefer this alternate timeline rather than the real one?

I'm most certainly a "real Star Trek fan" and so are lots of people who loved this new movie. I don't prefer the new timeline, I love the old timeline, I just like the new one too and I realize they're never going back. It's just not profitable to make a movie or a series just for Trek fans. I'd love to see more stuff in the old timeline, but the choice isn't between the old timeline and the new timeline, it's between the new timeline and no Trek at all. You have it backwards, the old timeline is the one that's going to be only in books and games.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #63 on:** May 20, 2009, 02:45:47 PM »

Not profitable to make a Trek movie for Trek fans? Besides the fact that you can make a Trek movie in the real timeline that still appeals to fans while appealing to the general audience, Nemesis was the only Trek movie that lost money (and part of that may have been that it went up against The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers). There are plenty of movies made for fans of a series that are hugely popular. The Star Wars movies and the Lord of the Rings movies (don't even try and claim any of the LotR movies were made with the general audience in mind) are some great examples.

I also don't buy into the belief that it's either alternate timeline Trek or no Trek at all. People just became burned out from Trek because there had been 18 straight years of Trek shows (TNG 1987-1994, DS9 1993-1999, VOY 1995-2001, ENT 2001-2005). Paramount stated they just wanted to give the franchise a break. I think it was Abrams idea for this whole re-boot, so I blame him. He is so-so as a director/producer. Fringe is a good show but Lost is complete crap.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #64 on:** May 20, 2009, 02:56:59 PM »

I'm not going to argue with you anymore; if you want to hold onto false hope go right ahead. I stopped going to a Star Trek message board I used to go to a long time ago to avoid arguments like this.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #65 on:** May 20, 2009, 03:24:52 PM »

Why isn't this kind of passion nerd city present in the other gaming threads?

oohhboy · « **Reply #66 on:** May 21, 2009, 12:45:33 PM »

Wow there was some good episodes inside that giant turd of a show. Oh your link is really messed up if you want to get around fixing it Uncle Bob.

By the end of VOY, trek was getting tired. It did need a break. However they went ahead and made ENT which pretty much killed it. As rich of a universe as trek is they went back to make prequels. DS9 brought us section 13. VOY brought back a treasure ship in tech. TNG era was still quite rich in directs to go that didn't need to focus on one bloody ship of people I didn't care about over events that didn't happen. They shouldn't have done another ship based series.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #67 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:07:55 PM »

Where's the genius who will turn Star Trek into a sci-fi sitcom similarly structured to `FRIENDS`?

Sundoulos · « **Reply #68 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:14:27 PM »

Why? The Dawson's Creek in space formula seems to be working out for them.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #69 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:20:28 PM »

But who watches that? Gotta casualize this baby.

ThePerm · « **Reply #70 on:** May 21, 2009, 03:45:40 PM »

Quote from: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 21, 2009, 01:07:55 PM

Where's the genius who will turn Star Trek into a sci-fi sitcom similarly structured to `FRIENDS`?

me, i've been toying with a sitcom that pokes fun at scifi shows. Its most like its always sunny in phillidelphia. I have plotlines for like 5 episodes

Plugabugz · « **Reply #71 on:** May 21, 2009, 03:57:53 PM »

Quote from: ThePerm on May 21, 2009, 03:45:40 PM

Quote from: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 21, 2009, 01:07:55 PM
Where's the genius who will turn Star Trek into a sci-fi sitcom similarly structured to `FRIENDS`?

me, i've been toying with a sitcom that pokes fun at scifi shows. Its most like its always sunny in phillidelphia. I have plotlines for like 5 episodes

It's semi sort of been done already. We had a sci fi comedy called Hyperdrive two years ago.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #72 on:** May 21, 2009, 05:59:48 PM »

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Wow there was some good episodes inside that giant turd of a show.

If you are referencing Enterprise it picked up during season 3 and hit the ground running on season 4 with a new head of the show. Manny Coto basically threw everything else from past seasons out the window and did an excellent job of making it a true prequel with a lot of excellent episodes.

Sundoulos · « **Reply #73 on:** May 21, 2009, 06:28:10 PM »

I totally missed this when I watched the movie, but apparently there was a throwaway line referencing Admiral Archer's dog. I thought it was a nice nod to Enterprise.

ThePerm · « **Reply #74 on:** May 21, 2009, 06:31:21 PM »

i never heard of hyperdrive...but Nick Frost is in it! Got to check it out. I loved Spaced. If i were to create a sitcom i want all the main characters to be total douchebags, and in the process of their scheming they are always punished bring themselves further down into the gutter. Topics include, STDs, health care, running from the mob. What would real people in the future be like?

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