Topic: RE's exclusitivity status

[Ninja X]

A rumor's going around that Capcom is reconsidering their decision on making RE exclusive for GCN.  Low sales seem to be the reason.  Indeed, the charts support this.  RE0 barely even cracked 400-500 thousand copies here in the states.  A port of Code Veronica to the PS2 sold more than that.  RE1 did decent.  I think it maybe cracked 1 million copies worldwide.  But the TRSTS chart I saw thanks to Mingesium got me worried on whether Capcom will continue supporting GCN if its juggernaut game sells just decent on the GCN when it could have sold over a million easily on the PS2.  I just hope lots of people go out and buy RE4 when it is released.  

[mouse_clicker]

You didn't see IGN or PGC reporting any of this? It was a rumor for several hours when Capcom debunked it and said RE is still exclusive to the Gamecube, at least until RE 4.

[Mario]

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I just hope lots of people go out and buy RE4 when it is released.

And i just hope RE4 lives up to the enormous expectations that it should meet considering it's rumoured to be the last Resident Evil game in the series and that it's taking a new approach, the controls better be better and most of all the better bloody make the camera spot on. You guys have no idea how much i am anticipating RE4, it better be the best damn game ever!

[bryanee]

resi 4 wont be the last ill bet my balls on that, they wudnt be able to tie up all the loose ends in one game there should be atleast 2 more after resi 4.

[Nephilim]

there already has been:
re,re2,re-dircut,re3,re:cv, re(psx-gungame) re(gb), re:0.....and still planned in 4 and excusive PS2 online RE and a new Gun game
there is too many Res Evils already
there "sluting" more then final fantasy eek

they should bring back parasite eve, atleast that only has 2 games  

[Termin8Anakin]

Man, I was surprised to see how busy Capcom also were with the OTHER RE games.
In fact, I didn't know they existed.
I knew about the FIRST Gun Survivor game, thats it.
Capcom's deal value is dimished, since they've put so much effort into the RE games on PS2.

[rpglover]

i dont think we will have to worry about re 4
i think capcom has put up with everyone complaining about the control and everything for so long that they are going to change
the graphics first of all are the best i have seen on any console period. and if that footage is in full 3d running in real time we are in for a treat!
now the game play i think is where capcom really is going to show something special
i dont think we need a devil may cry control scheme
personally i think it should be in full 3d controls (push anologue stick in direction and you go in that direction)
but they should still have the button to pull up your gun, and maybe a button to run-
now i could go on about what they should do- but i am confident capcom knows how to make a good game
and yes the game is still exclusive-as probably most of the capcom 5 will be

"they should bring back parasite eve, atleast that only has 2 games"

i agree with you hear- i loved those games but there is one problem
parasite eve is a squaresoft game

[Nephilim]

o my bad, i forgot about that fact

[Kai]

I hear you. I bought my GameCube because of the Resident Evil exclusivity deal. I was disappointed to find that only 1 and 0 were re-makes, and that 2 and 3 were going to be sold full price. I actually believed Capcom when they told us that they wanted all the games in the Resident Evil series to  be on the one platform

I have been disappointed by the lack of adult games on the GameCube. The loss of the Resident Evil series (I'll believe it's ending with 4 when I see it) and less Capcom games in general would mean that the GameCube 2 would be a less interesting proposition for me.

The latest rumours emanating from Capcom aren't good news for the GameCube any way you look at it. Although they made a partial retraction, they didn't retract the news that Capcom were considering withdrawing support from the Cube, and the fact is that PS2 and XBox owners are now a lot less interested in buying a GameCube for Resident Evil 4, because they are more confident that it will be a timed exclusive rather than a total exclusive. I too now think that the likely-hood of Resident Evil 4 finishing up on other platforms at some stage has increased and Resident Evil 4 "Director's cut" will possibly wind up on the next generation of XBox and/or PS2 in 2005.

I hope Nintendo take out another deal with Capom, I do feel the Resident Evil series is important if they continue to be serious about attracting more adult gamers.  

[kennyb27]

This news is certainly not good.  I'm not much of a fan of the RE series; however, like any solid investment, I do recognize its good points.  It's an added advantage for those gamers who wish to play scarier or more adult-oriented games on Nintendo's console.  It is a solidly based gaming foundation, that is, RE dates back to the mid-90s, and most of its games received high scores from websites and magazines alike.  This is an important investment for Nintendo to work to keep.

[Ninja X]

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
You didn't see IGN or PGC reporting any of this? It was a rumor for several hours when Capcom debunked it and said RE is still exclusive to the Gamecube, at least until RE 4.

True, I did see the PGC article.  Capcom said a statement against the rumor, but some companies simply lie to keep things secret.  Rare and Nintendo lied about Rare separating until it was official Microsoft bought Rare out.

[ruby_onix]

Yeah, I saw that rumor.

It said it was based off "internal rumblings" at Capcom about how RE wasn't pushing the GameCube to PS2-level popularity, and so RE wasn't selling as well and making them as much money as it could be.

But the "proof" they offered everywhere I saw it, was that *shock* Nintendo's agreement only went up to RE4, and that it was unveiled that the "Capcom 4" weren't GameCube exclusive.

We've all known that the RE deal only went up to RE4. One of the main reasons it came about was Shinji Mikami's dissatisfaction with the PS2. The PS2 might be dead for a year or two by the time RE4 comes out. But to hear these rumors, it sounds like they're saying that RE5 will be on the PS2 before Christmas. I'm sure Capcom and Mikami will rethink their stance in the next generation, but who says it'll be any different? Has Sony indicated anything about "learning their lesson" from what happened with the PS2? Hardly. I'd expect them to be more arrogant than ever when the PS3 rolls around.

And as for the "Capcom 4" (the "Capcom 5" included RE4), it was said that they're not exclusive. They have no contracts. Capcom just has/had no intention of making them anywhere else. But really, are Sony and Microsoft going to be pressuring Capcom for ports of them? Ever since day 1, it's been somewhat apparent that these games weren't going to be "system sellers", just average games, which are one thing that the GameCube needed more of.

The report said that we won't be getting as many exclusive games from Capcom anymore. But really, how many have we gotten? RE1 (a remake), RE Zero (a delayed N64 exclusive), and RE4 (upcoming). The Capcom 4. Megaman Battle Network. Am I missing any? That doesn't just cover our exclusive stuff. That's all of it.

Now how about the PS2? Devil May Cry (the "fresh" Resident Evil). Devil May Cry 2. Onimusha. Onimusha 2. Maximo. Breath of Fire. (Edit: And I can't forget about Megaman X7, since I mentioned Battle Network on the Cube.) That's just the stuff I can think of, off the top of my head. Wait, Sony's annoyed about not getting Resident Evil too? Well then, let's cast doubt on the RE series by working the "spinoffs" overtime and making RE Online and RE Survivor exclusive to the PS2. And we'll make the ports of RE2 and 3 on the GameCube really expensive while we delay Code Veronica, so it can't hurt the sales of the Players Choice budget version of the game on the PS2.

Seriously, if Capcom is annoyed internally that the GameCube isn't as big as the PS2, or that other developers haven't followed their lead to help make the GameCube as big as the PS2, they really need to look at themselves and the example they've been setting. Capcom's probably our biggest supporter. But they've been promoting the PS2 a lot harder.

If that's their idea of a "revolt" against Sony, it's a testament to how much of a stranglehold Sony has on the industry.  

[mouse_clicker]

Ruby: Eh, you've got it a bit wrong. It's only really Shinji Mikami who's "revolting" against the PS2, and most likely because he carries enough weight at Capcom that he has that choice. Everybody else just comes to work. When you realize it's only Shinji who's revolting, you have to admit that the large majority of his attention is spent on the Gamecube. You REbirth, ports of RE 2, 3, and CV (although unchanged), RE 4, Killer 7, and I believe he's working on PNO3. What projects does he have for the PS2 or Gamecube? Not near as many (if any for the XBox).

Also, while Capcom has said that Viewtiful Joe, Dead Phoenix, Killer 7, and PNO3 aren't technically exclusive, you DID point out that they have no intentions right now of porting them to either the XBox or the PS2, and to me that's just as good. That means they'll be billed as Gamecube exclusive at least for a while. Besides, if Sony or MS had gotten Capcom to port those 4, I would've expected something by now- at the latest by E3.

[Ninja X]

Capcom itself does not like Mikami's decision...Mikami, though, is probably the most powerful man in that company besides the president and vice president.  Capcom, besides Mikami and his team, have been developing all those PS2 exclusives you mentioned, including RE Online.  Mikami's team is doing a good job of supporting GCN, but one team is not enough.  Their efforts might have sparked hope for GCN in the eyes of other companies... and realistically, that's all they really did.

But anyway, I should have mentioned in the first post it was really Mikami, not Capcom, who's supporting the GCN.  I'm pretty sure that exclusive Mega Man game for GCN is not being developed by Mikami though...

[mouse_clicker]

That's what I'm saying, Ninja- I'm sure Capcom would love Mikami to make a bunch of PS2 games considerin the console's huge fanbase, but Mikami has enough weight that they won't force him to do anything. Pretty much everybody else at the company just does what they're told.

[Ninja X]

Very true, Mouse-clicker.  Capcom might eventually influence him to develop PS2 games, especially with the sales of RE.  

[Perfect Cell]

Nintendo signed a contract with Capcom, Capcom cant break it cause it would allow Nintendo to sue them in court.  I doubt Capcom wants to pay millions of dollars in damage..... RE games will be exclusive tilll RE4, after that its anybodys guess..

[thecubedcanuck]

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the controls better be better and most of all the better bloody make the camera spot on.

I have never had a problem with the controls or camera in either REmake or RE0, infact I like the RE control scheme.

[WesDawg]

I really don't think that RE or RE0 woulda sold much better on the PS2. Especially RE. Those people had mostly already played through it, and I doubt they'd buy it again. Secondly, I don't think the PS2 coulda made the REmake look as good as it did on the Cube, certainly not with the minimal amount of work that it took. Thirdly, Capcom said from the beginning that they weren't going to remake 2,3 or CV, so if you bought it for those remakes, you shoulda read up more. Fourthly, the idea of 4 going multi-platform was debunked by Capcom, and I'll believe 'um until something else happens. Theres no reason for 'em to lie about it. Looking at the game, porting it to other consoles looks like it would be difficult anyways, especially the PS2.

[Darc Requiem]

I agree Wes. The lower than expected RE sales are more a reflection of the freshness fo the series. RE sales were on the decline on PS if you look at the difference between RE2 and RE3. RE isn't a system selling title anymore. With the huge revampment of the gameplay system in RE4 that may change, that stated RE has hardly bombed on GC. It has sold quite well, Name another thirdy party title outisde of Sonic Adventure 2 Battle or the Madden series that approaches RE's sales numbers. I don't think you'll find one.
Sega heavily marketed VF4 on PS2 and its sales are about dead even with RE and RE0. I mean no one expected RE0 to match Metroid Primes sales. Metroid was the first game in the series in 8 years I believe. RE and RE0 came out in the same year. Not the same anticipation level as a Metroid. Thus sales weren't as high.

Darc Requiem

[rpglover]

well we can all agree that mikami does not like the ps2- thus his developement for the gc
personally i think re4 will be a good turn around for the series
and i do think that the capcom 5 will still stay only with nintendo
after seeing the sales of pn03 they probably will not port any of the capcom 5
and the only true exclusive is re which i think looks good now
and i have read from many videogame magazines and websites (and they all must be true......) that re4 will be "beyond our imaginations"
hopefully that turns out true- and hopefully it will sell well on the gc

[Ninja X]

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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
I agree Wes. The lower than expected RE sales are more a reflection of the freshness fo the series. RE sales were on the decline on PS if you look at the difference between RE2 and RE3. RE isn't a system selling title anymore. With the huge revampment of the gameplay system in RE4 that may change, that stated RE has hardly bombed on GC. It has sold quite well, Name another thirdy party title outisde of Sonic Adventure 2 Battle or the Madden series that approaches RE's sales numbers. I don't think you'll find one.
Sega heavily marketed VF4 on PS2 and its sales are about dead even with RE and RE0. I mean no one expected RE0 to match Metroid Primes sales. Metroid was the first game in the series in 8 years I believe. RE and RE0 came out in the same year. Not the same anticipation level as a Metroid. Thus sales weren't as high.

Darc Requiem

Must I restate this?  A port of RE: Code Veronica for the PS2 sold better than RE0 and probably tied RE1, a whole revamped game.  It's a PS2 Greatest Hits title, so you know it sold well.   And it's a PORT.  A direct PORT.  With a couple new cutscenes.  
You are right when you say RE is probably one of the best third party selling titles on GCN.  But I think Capcom didn't think those numbers were too high.

[Zelda]

uh, if you look at the TRST data Resident Evil 3 sold 1,043,262 copies on Playstation. Resident Evil 2 sold 1,288,631. I don't see a huge decrease in sales.  

[VideoGamerX]

Two things, though. Resident Evil 2 was the pinacle of the series. Both games have been out for how long?

The userbase was also massive. There's no way Capcom could have expected a million seller from either Resident Evil or Resident Evil 0. At least not right away. I bet both reach a million or close to it when it's all said and done, though.

[KrazyJ1098]

anything that sales over 200,000 copies usually means great news.