Topic: The "Game Overthinker" Thread

[vudu]

The problem with using classic NES-era games as examples is that those games didn't use simple controls because that's what the developers wanted.  They used simple controls because that's all they had, since the NES only had 2 action buttons.

That's wrong.  Several systems before the NES had like 12 or 13 buttons, like the Atari 5200 and both the Coleco and Intellivisions  Using less buttons was a conscious choice.

It was a conscious choice by Nintendo.  I doubt third parties had any say in it.

[KDR_11k]

Some systems before the NES had 102 buttons or thereabouts.

[vudu]

I see what you did there.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Calculators have many buttons and only induce the feeling of "work."

[KDR_11k]

I see what you did there.

Computers WERE the primary gaming systems during the gaming crash since only console gaming crashed. Computer games could have some awfully complex controls even without involving the keyboard (if you don't believe me grab Last Ninja from the VC). They were direct competitors of the NES when it came out.

[vudu]

And they got squashed.  And console gaming still outweighs PC gaming by several factors (not counting Peggle, Minesweeper, etc.)

[KDR_11k]

And they got squashed.

Disrupted. Like the Wii is currently doing to the HD consoles. Nintendo researched what exactly went on back in those days to utilize the mechanics involved to regain the console market. The Wii is the result.

[Deguello]

I agree, the Sonic Episodes were probably the best.

Overall though, I think I prefer yahzee by a great margin if only because Yahtzee shares my general hatred toward Nintendo's new strategy whereas Mr. Overthinker is an apologetic for it.

Yahztee is the Zero Punctuation person right?  I watched a few of those and they weren't very intellectually stimulating, mainly because it's all too easy to make a 4 minute long video that's like "you all suck and everything sucks, look how jaded I am" and stand back because saying so is somehow "impartial."  It takes courage to side with somebody.

I think it's funny how we have three smug assholes like Malstrom, Gameoverthinker, and Yahtzee, and it's not really the smugly assholishness part that bothers us, but where the smug asshole falls on the "hardcore/casual," Nintendo/Non-Nintendo divide.

[KDR_11k]

Yahtzee does like some things, watch e.g. the Saints Row 2 review. He's mostly about making jokes though.

[NWR_pap64]

I agree, the Sonic Episodes were probably the best.

Overall though, I think I prefer yahzee by a great margin if only because Yahtzee shares my general hatred toward Nintendo's new strategy whereas Mr. Overthinker is an apologetic for it.

Yahztee is the Zero Punctuation person right?  I watched a few of those and they weren't very intellectually stimulating, mainly because it's all too easy to make a 4 minute long video that's like "you all suck and everything sucks, look how jaded I am" and stand back because saying so is somehow "impartial."  It takes courage to side with somebody.

I think it's funny how we have three smug assholes like Malstrom, Gameoverthinker, and Yahtzee, and it's not really the smugly assholishness part that bothers us, but where the smug asshole falls on the "hardcore/casual," Nintendo/Non-Nintendo divide.

That's partially true, although in my case I just get tired of the smug attitude. After a few episodes I realized that Yahtzee would just be dissing games for the hell of it and got tired of it. I got tired of Malstrom because he became more ranty and more self aware of his attitude, even when he made some good points.

I honestly believe that the GO is not that bad of an asshole. In the earlier episodes while he was abrasive he was rather honest and knew his stuff. His video on Nintendo Fanboyism, I thought, was pretty damn honest and sincere. Now that he is on ScrewAttack I noticed that his persona was raised higher, which I believe was caused because he is catering to an audience now, a big issue I've noticed in many commentators.

Funny Golden mentioned the Angry Videogame Nerd. He's the only one that I've been watching since his debut. I believe that James is very consistent. True, some episodes are bad and border on blatant fan service (his recent Crazy Castle video was pretty stupid), but at the very least he is working with a good concept and knows how to work it. When he disses a bad game he shows us WHY. And doesn't say it in a "I am right" manner.

Not to mention that James doesn't let his AVGN persona overtake his personality. He is a filmmaker and has done some very solid and honest movie reviews.

The GO, however, has the issue in that he is a smug asshole as a game commentator and a smug asshole when he is reviewing movies.

So at the very least James balances out his various personas and manages to be likable.

[Stratos]

On Gametrailers there is a guy who parodies the AVGN and calls himself the 'Happy Video Game Nerd'. He likes to look at the underrated classics of old. I thought he did a pretty good job overall as both a parody and as his own unique personality. It's kinda nice to hear someone recall games without going into conniptions. Plus some of the ones he did were pretty neat.

[NWR_pap64]

Yeah he's also on YouTube. I DEFINITELY appreciate his persona. I thought it was a nice change of pace. There's too much ANGER in the videogame world as is, so having someone with a nice, charismatic personality is definitely welcome.

[NWR_Neal]

I came across the Game Overthinker recently. I think his videos are kind of terrible in comparison to Zero Punctuation and AVGN, and I don't really like his arguments. At least with Yahtzee I usually can see what small part of a game he lambasts, and AVGN usually just tackles **** games anyway.

[KDR_11k]

I watched the GO before ZP because my ability to understand spoken English was too low to follow ZP, after going through the GO archive I was able to understand ZP.

[rbtr]

OT:  KDR, your written English is excellent, sometimes I forget you're German(right?)

Overthinker is pretty good, I think his recent work isn't as good.  I try not to take him too seriously, he is overthinking things past any sane level.  His argument for realism was insane, but he brought up some decent points.  I don't know if his quality has gone down, as it never seemed great.  I certainly don't get a big "smug asshole" vibe from him.  I mean, he makes sane arguments, he just OVER THINKS them....if only he would warn you

And I don't find malstrom overly smug either, he knows what he's talking about, he seems confident.

Yahtzee is just a picky whiny baby, I can't stand his videos.

[Stratos]

Rbtr! I haven't heard from you in forever! Glad your still here

I think you stated it really well. GO really does 'over think' his topics sometimes. I do hate his preachy parts. Like when he called gamers to 'rise up and save gaming' during the censorship one. Also this recent one was really annoying when he went on about himself at the beginning. It made me roll my eyes and want to exit the video. I'll agree that his 'Saving Sonic' set of videos was his best from the ones I've seen.

I love Yahtzee and his reviews even if I feel a number of them are off-base. They are funny and I agree on some of his points.

[rbtr]

I still exist.  I just never post on any forum a lot.

He preaches but I think that's just part of his format.  A call to arms.  I feel his videos are overly serious on purpose.

[BeautifulShy]

I'm sure this one is on Screwattack already but GO put up episodes 24 and 25 on youtube.
Here is number 25.

http://Http://youtube.com/watch?v=hoht0Xy5nQs

[KDR_11k]

He's up to 27 now, "who will be remembered?"