Topic: My Christmas Rant - Or why I hate people.

[NWR_pap64]

UB should show his fat, ugly, hairy, pink nipples more often. That way, raged customers might either stop and stare them in awe, or be freaked out and leave the store.

Why complain about people when you have the ultimate weapon on your chest, UB?

[EasyCure]

UB should show his fat, ugly, hairy, pink nipples more often. That way, raged customers might either stop and stare them in awe, or be freaked out and leave the store.

Why complain about people when you have the ultimate weapon on your chest, UB?

Theres only one weapon mighty enough to defeat the the Mighty Man Nipple of Glory... and thats sexual harrasment lawsuits in the workplace

[Pale]

Firslty, props to EasyCure and Pap for trying to defuse the frustration here.

Secondly.  There are a ton of crummy people out there.  But you know what the best way to combat them is?  With overarching positivity.  Therefore, UB and GP are actually on the same side.  One wants people to be better.  The other is optimistic and pleasant!

So stop fighting!

[EasyCure]

Firslty, props to EasyCure and Pap for trying to defuse the frustration here.

Heh.. does that make up for my lude comments in the funhouse?

I know where UncleBob is coming from having worked in that feild, and still working in a similar field, and really when you're in that position you do get to see the rude side of people. Like he said, getting a job in a different field where you don't deal with people as customers doesn't really change anything, becuase those people are still out there. The saddest part is these rude people could be the nicest people to anyone they call a friend but to complete strangers they act like monster.

I've seen regular customers that treated staff like they were garbage turn into friends to all, and in one odd occasion i saw a customer go back to being a jerk to staff at a DIFFERENT job! When you experience something like that, its easy to be fooled into thinking EVERYONE is a jerk/snob.

Also GP.. a rant like this, especially this time of year, is coming from someone clearly frustrated and upset, and your attacks against him don't help. We all know you like to debate, and are good at it, but sometimes it feels like you cross some lines, and its not necessary.

Also, Pale spelled "firstly" wrong and its bugging me. I know i shouldn't talk since i make typos all the time but..eh!

[Bill Aurion]

Don't believe GP...Her idea of spreading "holiday cheer" is by shaking fruit out of all your trees, trapping you with a barrier of holes, and chasing you around with an axe! =(

[Caliban]

because I actually love the holiday and what it does to people

As much as an anti-social Human being I can be, and if you met me you could probably call me a cold-hearted jerk, son of a bitch, retard, egotistical, nasty little prick, scum, etcetera... I just think that a holiday is not a reason to express oneself as a mature Human with all the ups and downs that come with life. I've met a lot of good people where I work, and just as many awful people. It is a matter of courtesy to behave with understanding and patience.

I'm not trying to sermon you in any way. I am just reacting to what you have posted, and do not have any ill intention towards you. I will not apologize if I offended you, and if the mods deem my post offensive go ahead and penalize me.

Signed:

[scribble]Caliban[/scribble]

[NWR_pap64]

Don't believe GP...Her idea of spreading "holiday cheer" is by shaking fruit out of all your trees, trapping you with a barrier of holes, and chasing you around with an axe! =(

Actually, she is being awfully nice to you. I would have destroyed all the flowers, harassed all the villagers and wrote "Bill is a ******" a hundred times on the bulletin board! XD :p

[UncleBob]

UB should show his fat, ugly, hairy, pink nipples more often. That way, raged customers might either stop and stare them in awe, or be freaked out and leave the store.

Why complain about people when you have the ultimate weapon on your chest, UB?

If only...

Also GP.. a rant like this, especially this time of year, is coming from someone clearly frustrated and upset, and your attacks against him don't help. We all know you like to debate, and are good at it, but sometimes it feels like you cross some lines, and its not necessary.

Don't be too hard on GP - she's just got a completely different view of the world than I do.

For example, when I read her story, I see how it supports my view.  This guy was so shocked that someone out there actually expressed common courtesy (holding a door open) that he felt he had to give up his cheap plastic crap for it.  Apparently, this man has seen the more common side of people as well.

GP then goes on to say that she loves the holidays because of "what it does to people." - It's as if it's okay if people are jerks 340 days out of the year, so long as they're "nice" for 25 or something.  Personally, I'd prefer a world were people are "good for goodness sakes" and not in celebration of a fake holiday that's been even more bastardized into a reason to spend money to show people you love them.

GP and I have different life experiences that have lead us to different views in life.  I'm not going to sit here and say she's had it easy, for I don't know what she's been through.  But I do know what I've been through and it's enough to bring me down after a day of work where old ladies would rather risk the lives of young children so they can buy video games.

[Kairon]

-baleeted-

[KDR_11k]

Trampling people is not a conscious decision, whenever you have huge masses of people moving around with no central coordination anyone who trips gets trampled. It's simple, you have tons of people all squashed into a small area so no individual can control the movement, when the bulk moves everyone inside either follows or suffers. The ones who can actually see that there's someone on the ground cannot prevent the movement because they're being pushed from behind and there's no room to evade. Unorganized blobs that want to go somewhere have some pressure inside, the larger and denser the blob the more pressure there is and the less anyone can steer the thing.

In short, tons of people wanting to get on the other side of a chokepoint ASAP = moving wall of death

Of course assholish or stupid behaviour happens a lot too but trampling is a crowd thing and doesn't depend on any individual's choices (except maybe the police's). That lady that demanded attention when you were busy was really damn stupid but as the saying goes, "There are only two infinite things in the world, the universe and human stupidity and I'm not so sure about the universe."

[EasyCure]

I was being hard on GP??

In short, tons of people wanting to get on the other side of a chokepoint ASAP = moving wall of death

I agree with this but only to a certain point. If you look at something like concerts its a slightly different story because theres a different mindset here. I know, I know, its not EXACTLY the same as 'tons of people wanting to get on the other side of the chokepoint' because there obviously is no chokepoint to get thru, just a barricade everyone knows to stop at, but theres still a large group of people pushing forward even though theres an obvious saturation point, so I think this still applies.

The difference with this and a Black Friday crowd is theres usually a sense of comradery at a concert. Everyone wants to get as close as possible to the band they're seeing, but theres still a respect for one another because of the mutual interest. Yes, people get trampled at concerts as well, but normally when you see someone fall, you help them get back up.
 Thats my experience anyway, and its also my experience that Black Friday crowds aren't like this.. at all. There's a common interest in everyone wants to get a bargain, sure, but it comes from a more selfish place in that the mentality is "I HAVE to get the bargain before anyone else!"

The very nature of Black Friday shopping is a selfish rush to beat the other guy and grab the last thing on the shelf and the earlier the better because if not you'll miss out! Its clearly an 'every man for themselves' event so no one would bother trying to help another human being up because "hey **** 'em, i gots to get me a wii for xmas!"

[UncleBob]

EasyCure said it best.  Mobs of people make it through bottlenecks without a problem quite often.

The problem in this particular case, apparently, was that the store did not open until 5 AM.  There were groups of people waiting in their car and groups of people waiting at the doors.  As it got closer to five, the people in their cars got out and tried to push their way up to the doors.

Oh, and...
Isolated incident?  Really?

[EasyCure]

1EasyCure said it best. 

Oh, and...
2Isolated incident?  Really?

1. Always
2. Every year theres a Black Friday trampling incident, its isolated in this case because it resulted in the death of an innocent person and thats why it made it natioinal news, but tune in to your local news channels and you'll get a story of someone being injured, sometimes they end up in ICU or whatever, but the point is theres always someone injured at a major retail chain on Black Friday.

[NWR_pap64]

Well, time to put in my two cents...

In way, both UB and GP are right.

UB's anger is somewhat justified because I too experienced similar events which question my integrity and hope in people. This is common among people who either want to do good or are just living their lives.

Not to mention that UB works at retail. In my honest opinion, retail employees are some of the most ignored and disrespected people in the world. People are so caught up in their materialism that they forget that the person helping them with their purchase are human beings as well and that they are putting up with them because they have bills to pay and families to feed. In way, I can see why UB would be so angry, especially since it involves the death of a fellow employee.

But GP is right, too. Its very easy to hate, its very easy to be angry at people. Its hard, however, to maintain a positive attitude and just moving on. If we let our negativity take over then we aren't really making a difference or making the world better. In fact, you are contributing to the other thing that made you angry in the first place! Hate creates even more hate, and it leads to destruction.

So to sum it up...

Don't be hard on UB. He is just venting frustration typically seen in his line of work.

Don't be hard on GP. She is just trying to comfort everyone with the belief that despite bad events and people there's still something to look forward to.

In hopes of not sounding sarcastic, I want to wish EVERYONE a happy and safe holidays, whether you hate people or not .

[EasyCure]

Time to put in another 2 cents and summarize pap64's post into something we could all appreciate:

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

[UncleBob]

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Could you put that in superior Star Trek form?

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Dammit, Jim!  I'ma doctor!

[EasyCure]

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Could you put that in superior Star Trek form?

no, don't you remember what happened in that star trek movie thread not that long ago?

[UncleBob]

No... what happened?

[DAaaMan64]

wat is this horrible thread

[EasyCure]

wheres vudu...

Nevermind i found it myself:

can we rename this thread "Beware: Trekkies" instead so i dont keep coming in here? thanks

Zap: The new title doesnt work, i'm nosey when it comes to stuff that might involve me

Made my quote clicky

[oohhboy]

I will not sacrifice the Enterprise. We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make them pay for what they've done

I believe this is more appropriate.

[NWR_insanolord]

There was a joke here but I took it down because I thought it might be in bad taste.

[EasyCure]

There was a joke here but I took it down because I thought it might be in bad taste.

I looooooove bad taste. Pm me the joke!

[NWR_insanolord]

It's a joke on a Star Trek line, you wouldn't appreciate it.