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My Christmas Rant - Or why I hate people.
« on: December 13, 2008, 02:53:42 PM »
As most of you likely have likely heard by now (or, at least, those of you based out of the US), a couple of weekends ago, a Walmart employee was killed by a mob of people trying to get cheap plastic crap offered in limited quantities.

Let's put aside Walmart's fault in this incident (and yes, they do have some fault). Let's put aside the local police's fault in the incident (they were called out several times for assistance before the fatal incident).

I want to look at the individuals who mobbed the store, tore down the doors assaulted others and stepped on a man until he died.

What drives a person to do such a thing?  Awesome prices?  Perhaps, but, to be honest, the deals weren't that great. 

Today, I had an incident that just shocked me. We had a free moment and one of our game case doors has been giving us trouble, as if it was going to fall out.  I've worked with these doors/cases several times, so I grabbed a screwdriver and another associate to help me, as these doors are real glass and real heavy.

So, by the time we get the door off, a young kid was beside us playing the 360 and a couple other kids were looking at the games - meaning we had to work extra careful to not crush anyone. After a few minutes, an older lady came up and asked my co-worker and I if we had "this game", pointing to a piece of paper that had some Spyro game for the PS3 written on it. My co-worker told her he "didn't think" we had it and I told her if we did have it, it'd be in one of the first two cases. She said "okay", then went down to look...

...about 30 seconds later, she says to me "I don't see it, maybe I'm just overlooking it. Could one of you come down here and help me?"  Politely (at this point) I say "Just as soon as we get this door put back on, we'll be right there."

The customer's eyes grew three sizes that day. "How long will that take?" (asks the customer, in a demanding tone).

"I'm sorry ma'mn, but I'm not sure." (I'm no door fixing expert) "We'll help you as soon as we can." I'm sure the tone in my voice likely changed at this point.

"Well, isn't that the point of you guys? Aren't you supposed to be here to help customers?"

"Yes ma'mn, but this glass door is pretty heavy and I don't want anyone to get hurt if it was to fall or something." (Eying toward the various children around).

"I thought it was customers first."

"Ma'mn, it's always safety first. I'll be with you as soon as I can."

She looks for a few more seconds, then leaves. She spent far more time throwing a fit than even looking.

Now, I understand that, to her, this video game was important.  However, at what point is it so important that it's worth risking the lives of strangers over?

The Walmart store in New York where the associate was trampled had the same problem. When trying to close the store, customers argued and threw a fit, expressing no interest in the human being they just trampled to death, but want to know how the store was going to honor the deals.

'Tis the season, indeed.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2008, 11:01:32 PM »
*sigh* I totally know what you mean.

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2008, 11:37:12 PM »
A subject that is rather easy to answer, but difficult to understand...Humans are selfish creatures that don't think about the consequences they reap until they come back and punch them in the gut...

I commend you on your patience, though...Rude people like that tend to set me off...
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2008, 11:46:15 PM »
Yeah, I still blame Wal-Mart (and the mob of people, but they wouldn't be there if Wal-Mart didn't make them think they should be) for the clerk's death. Safety first is a good policy, and obviously wasn't applied to the situation in New York. Wal-Mart is one of the worst corporations on the planet - sure they employ a lot of people, which is nice, but they also shut down business after business, and pay people in China less money per day than even the door greeters make in an hour.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2008, 01:19:55 AM »
It all comes down to people just don't care anymore.  Our current culture has made it pretty much acceptable to be this way because it has been made into a culture where everyone for themselves, and those that get in the way be damned for being foolish.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2008, 01:50:06 AM »
I reckon we should just cancel all future christmases. Seriously can anyone recall a good Christmas?
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2008, 02:09:10 AM »
Wait, Spyro is on the PS3? I thought the B grade video game stars of yesteryear were strictly on the Wii.

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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2008, 02:28:50 AM »
I'll be blunt here, I really despise people using isolated incidents like the trampling or particular customers being rude as painting a picture of what it is like with everyone. Let me say I work with a retailer and while there are rude, obnoxious people, there are so many more decent, polite people who show respect and kindness. Heck I see it when I go shopping, for example on the big Black Friday rush, I opened a door for a guy (Boy guys get nervous when I do that sometimes!) and the item he was after was down to one. Instead of snagging it, he asked me if this was what I was looking for, and since I was polite to open the door for him he was going to let me have it. I am not even going to start on all the money and time people spend volunteering to help feed the homeless or try to work hard so unfortunate kids can enjoy a christmas of their own. Not to mention that these people demonstrate a trait that seems to be lost both here, and in our society, which is taking personal responsibility whether it is for their good or bad actions instead of blaming someone else.
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2008, 02:31:55 AM »
I reckon we should just cancel all future christmases. Seriously can anyone recall a good Christmas?

My family makes it a policy to do all our christmas shopping during the OTHER 11 months of the year. That way we can weather Christmas with as little "holiday rush" as possible.
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2008, 02:34:31 AM »
Heck I see it when I go shopping, for example on the big Black Friday rush, I opened a door for a guy (Boy guys get nervous when I do that sometimes!) and the item he was after was down to one. Instead of snagging it, he asked me if this was what I was looking for, and since I was polite to open the door for him he was going to let me have it.

Wow! Of course, that's not a huge deal, but its random acts of kindness like that that really do add up.
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2008, 02:39:27 AM »
Heck I see it when I go shopping, for example on the big Black Friday rush, I opened a door for a guy (Boy guys get nervous when I do that sometimes!) and the item he was after was down to one. Instead of snagging it, he asked me if this was what I was looking for, and since I was polite to open the door for him he was going to let me have it.

Wow! Of course, that's not a huge deal, but its random acts of kindness like that that really do add up.

Yeah I Know it isn't a big deal, but I'm just trying to show that anecdotal can go both ways. My guess is if you took the rude/obnoxious people compared to people who actually act decently, you'd fine most people are not like that but that is not saying one butthead can't spoil the day (I've been there too but even then I try to step back).
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2008, 02:40:44 AM »
I didn't need to work in retail to realize that I hated people. I just needed to play WoW for two years.
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2008, 03:14:13 AM »
I didn't need to work in retail to realize that I hated people. I just needed to play WoW for two years.

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2008, 03:59:42 AM »
I thought that whole trampling situation was pretty fucked up, but people are just like that sometimes.  And we can point the finger at anybody, but it won't solve the problem.  Is is the people who actually trampled the guy and didn't think twice about not giving a ****?  Yes, of course it is.  But, can we blame them?  Probably not.  Who we can blame is the big, faceless corporation which is entirely comprised of both people like the guy who died and the people who killed him.  But they get all the blame.  However, people expect deals on Black Friday.  Walmart has to provide those deals or miss out on huge sales revenue, which would cost the whole supply chain, from greeters to sweatshop workers.  It's in their best interest to make you want to shop at their locations.  That's business.  They ust expect people to not act like total savages over 75 cent savings on fucking tube socks.
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2008, 08:19:54 AM »
I'll be blunt here, I really despise people using isolated incidents like the trampling or particular customers being rude as painting a picture of what it is like with everyone. Let me say I work with a retailer and while there are rude, obnoxious people, there are so many more decent, polite people who show respect and kindness. Heck I see it when I go shopping, for example on the big Black Friday rush, I opened a door for a guy (Boy guys get nervous when I do that sometimes!) and the item he was after was down to one. Instead of snagging it, he asked me if this was what I was looking for, and since I was polite to open the door for him he was going to let me have it. I am not even going to start on all the money and time people spend volunteering to help feed the homeless or try to work hard so unfortunate kids can enjoy a christmas of their own. Not to mention that these people demonstrate a trait that seems to be lost both here, and in our society, which is taking personal responsibility whether it is for their good or bad actions instead of blaming someone else.

A large group of people killing a human being by stepping on him trumps your old man letting you buy cheap plastic crap because you opened the door for him story.  By a lot.

For every guy working at a soup kitchen story you post, I can find a guy mugging people story.
For every millionaire donating money to the poor story you post, I can find a millionaire screwing someone over story.

People are stupid, greedy and lazy.  Not all people, mind you.  Just most of them.
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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2008, 01:17:34 PM »
It all comes down to people just don't care anymore.  Our current culture has made it pretty much acceptable to be this way because it has been made into a culture where everyone for themselves, and those that get in the way be damned for being foolish.

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I'll be blunt here, I really despise people using isolated incidents like the trampling or particular customers being rude as painting a picture of what it is like with everyone. Let me say I work with a retailer and while there are rude, obnoxious people, there are so many more decent, polite people who show respect and kindness. Heck I see it when I go shopping, for example on the big Black Friday rush, I opened a door for a guy (Boy guys get nervous when I do that sometimes!) and the item he was after was down to one. Instead of snagging it, he asked me if this was what I was looking for, and since I was polite to open the door for him he was going to let me have it. I am not even going to start on all the money and time people spend volunteering to help feed the homeless or try to work hard so unfortunate kids can enjoy a christmas of their own. Not to mention that these people demonstrate a trait that seems to be lost both here, and in our society, which is taking personal responsibility whether it is for their good or bad actions instead of blaming someone else.

A large group of people killing a human being by stepping on him trumps your old man letting you buy cheap plastic crap because you opened the door for him story.  By a lot.

For every guy working at a soup kitchen story you post, I can find a guy mugging people story.
For every millionaire donating money to the poor story you post, I can find a millionaire screwing someone over story.

People are stupid, greedy and lazy.  Not all people, mind you.  Just most of them.

I agree with this last point over yours GP. There are just too many more selfish pricks out there, as well as too many apathetic folk, to overshadow the nice people in the world and they come from all walks of life. Its sad, but its the truth.
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2008, 06:12:06 PM »
I'll be blunt here, I really despise people using isolated incidents like the trampling or particular customers being rude as painting a picture of what it is like with everyone. Let me say I work with a retailer and while there are rude, obnoxious people, there are so many more decent, polite people who show respect and kindness. Heck I see it when I go shopping, for example on the big Black Friday rush, I opened a door for a guy (Boy guys get nervous when I do that sometimes!) and the item he was after was down to one. Instead of snagging it, he asked me if this was what I was looking for, and since I was polite to open the door for him he was going to let me have it. I am not even going to start on all the money and time people spend volunteering to help feed the homeless or try to work hard so unfortunate kids can enjoy a christmas of their own. Not to mention that these people demonstrate a trait that seems to be lost both here, and in our society, which is taking personal responsibility whether it is for their good or bad actions instead of blaming someone else.

A large group of people killing a human being by stepping on him trumps your old man letting you buy cheap plastic crap because you opened the door for him story.  By a lot.

For every guy working at a soup kitchen story you post, I can find a guy mugging people story.
For every millionaire donating money to the poor story you post, I can find a millionaire screwing someone over story.

People are stupid, greedy and lazy.  Not all people, mind you.  Just most of them.

Glad I don't live in such a pathetic world as yours, you sound like a very unhappy person and I actually pity you. You have some anger issues, maybe you should go see someone about that. You may be amazed but the Walmart incident was an isolated one. (Not to mention you show a lack of reading comprehension because I was more talking about your rude old lady) Also I do find it amazing you state only millionaires donate to the poor, it is more the middle class that do, you know people who don't have nearly as much to give?
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2008, 06:18:54 PM »
Guys guys ITS CHRISTMAS! Geez.... let's.... let's delay all the negativity until January? Huh? That's when my birthday is, so it'll be perfect.
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2008, 06:25:49 PM »
Guys guys ITS CHRISTMAS! Geez.... let's.... let's delay all the negativity until January? Huh? That's when my birthday is, so it'll be perfect.

I'll have no problem delaying my negativity until Christmas, because I actually love the holiday and what it does to people. It is those who spout this kind of crap as the overriding truth is what puts a damper on my holiday cheer.
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2008, 06:29:13 PM »
Also I do find it amazing you state only millionaires donate to the poor, it is more the middle class that do, you know people who don't have nearly as much to give?

I'm pretty sure he was just using it as an example, not the rule... =)

You may be amazed but the Walmart incident was an isolated one.

Well thankfully!  It'd be a problem if people were trampled every day...But the truth is, every incident of this kind of behavior isn't reported, and unfortunately only comes to light when something like this happens (aka, someone dying as a result of it)...Of course, you shouldn't let these kind of people ruin your own happiness, so if you stay positive maybe you can change some of them... =)
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2008, 06:32:13 PM »
Also I do find it amazing you state only millionaires donate to the poor, it is more the middle class that do, you know people who don't have nearly as much to give?

I'm pretty sure he was just using it as an example, not the rule... =)

You may be amazed but the Walmart incident was an isolated one.

Well thankfully!  It'd be a problem if people were trampled every day...But the truth is, every incident of this kind of behavior isn't reported, and unfortunately only comes to light when something like this happens (aka, someone dying as a result of it)...Of course, you shouldn't let these kind of people ruin your own happiness, so if you stay positive maybe you can change some of them... =)

Any proof to back that up? Let's say there were 10 incidents like this, what percentage is that overall? Pretty insignificant, and really I have a feeling it depends more on the area these places are in. Some communities, well, have pretty low standards of right and wrong. I've been to quite a few Black Friday sales and not once was anyone trampled.
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2008, 06:33:33 PM »
Yup, there are stupid, lazy, and selfish people out there.  At Wal-Mart you're definitely going to be exposed to a higher percentage of them.  Trust me UncleBob, once you get out of Wal-Mart and get a job that isn't customer-facing you'll like the world a whole lot more.  There are plenty of good people out there.

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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2008, 06:35:06 PM »
My overall point is that anecdotal evidence whether good or bad is extremely flawed in representing things. ESPECIALLY since it is basic human nature to take a negative incident or experience and use that as the overriding viewpoint of certain things, even IF percentage wise that is not the case. Like I said every butthead I encounter I stand back and analyze how many people I've interacted with that were decent and polite and the overwhelming majority are, so it helps put it into perspective.

Are there uncaring, lazy, greedy and rude people out there? Of course. Probably far more than they should but that doesn't mean that is what most are like. To paint everyone with such a negative brush is just as rude, and self centered as some actions those very people do. You are letting your own negative encounters affect your perception of everyone. It is unfair and not right. Treat people as individuals, I know I wouldn't want to be lumped into the crowd that trampled an innocent person in a disgusting display of human greed, and I doubt you'd want to either.
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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2008, 07:37:14 PM »
Glad I don't live in such a pathetic world as yours1, you sound like a very unhappy person and I actually pity you. You have some anger issues2, maybe you should go see someone about that. You may be amazed but the Walmart incident was an isolated one.3 (Not to mention you show a lack of reading comprehension because I was more talking about your rude old lady)4 Also I do find it amazing you state only millionaires donate to the poor,5 it is more the middle class that do, you know people who don't have nearly as much to give?
1: Believe it or not, we live in the same world (unless we're communicating through some kind of weird space/time vortex).  We just see it differently.  Perhaps we've had different life experiences, eh?
2: I do, but that's what my wife is for. ;)
3: The trampling?  Yeah.  The pushing, shoving, assaulting and rudeness?  Not at all.  The trampling was just the one that made the news.
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I'll be blunt here, I really despise people using isolated incidents like the trampling or particular customers being rude as painting a picture of what it is like with everyone.
5: As Bill pointed out, I said nothing of the like.  I'm well aware of and involved in middle class charitable giving.  Perhaps it's your reading skills that lack?

I'll have no problem delaying my negativity until Christmas, because I actually love the holiday and what it does to people. It is those who spout this kind of crap as the overriding truth is what puts a damper on my holiday cheer.

If this is what puts a damper on your holiday cheer, then you're lucky.  People killing other people killing other people over cheap plastic crap tend to do it more to me.  But whatever floats your boat.

Yup, there are stupid, lazy, and selfish people out there.  At Wal-Mart you're definitely going to be exposed to a higher percentage of them.  Trust me UncleBob, once you get out of Wal-Mart and get a job that isn't customer-facing you'll like the world a whole lot more.  There are plenty of good people out there.

There are loads of good people out there.  But, as you said, I run into a higher percentage of the SSL (Stupid, Selfish and Lazy) group.  I too attribute this to working with the general population.  I feel this puts me in touch with a wider variety of people - which, unfortunately, isn't necessarily a good thing.  Getting out of the "profession" won't change the world, it'll just change the people I work with on a regular basis.  The same amount of rude, uncaring, thoughtless people will be out there.  But what can you do?

Treat people as individuals, I know I wouldn't want to be lumped into the crowd that trampled an innocent person in a disgusting display of human greed, and I doubt you'd want to either.

On a regular basis, I do try my best to treat people as individuals and not let my fuming anger over one customer spread to how I treat others.  I admit, I'm not the best at this, but I do try.  But it doesn't change the fact that I deal with a lot of stupid people on a regular basis.
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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2008, 07:52:44 PM »
GP stop arguing with UB. Im sure he feels guilty enough about robbing that bank, and now you're just making him feel worse for this.
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