Topic: ELITIST thread

[Ian Sane]

Yeah, yeah, Ian, we know E3 wasn't for the core gamer but there was this HUGE load of games shown at a later conference. Oh and I notice you're ignoring Tales?

Aren't we talking about what games we're buying NOW?  How do I buy games NOW that come out in 2009?

I will admit I forgot all about Tales so that's something.  I didn't really like Tales of Symphonia enough to continue with the series but that is something of significance for core gamers in general.

Is this even an opinion related thread?  It's like a factual one.  A lot of this thread has been personal anecdotes about what games we've bought recently.  I haven't bought any games lately.  That's a fact.  I can't change my mind about that.

[NWR_Lindy]

I've actually slowed down my game-buying.  It was at GP-like levels there for a while, until I decided to actually tally up my debt and that pretty much killed my game-buying.  But since the beginning of September I've picked up:

Rock Band 2
Resistance 2
Gears of War 2
Fallout 3
Lord of the Rings Online: Mines of Moria (MMORPGs FTW)
Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (MMORPGs FTW)
Dragon Quest IV
KORG DS-10

I think that'll be it for the year.  For Christmas I'll likely get LittleBigPlanet, and somewhere in there I might pick up SOCOM: Confrontation for the PS3 headset, but I'm in no hurry.  I have enough games to last me for the next year, so I think I'm going be buying very little in 2009.

[MaleficentOgre]

Do you guys actually beat all the games you buy? Doesn't seem like there's enough time in the day.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Do you guys actually beat all the games you buy? Doesn't seem like there's enough time in the day.

No.

[DAaaMan64]

Remember at E3 when Nintendo revealed Animal Crossing and ziltch else and a lot of people complained?  Well there was kind of a reason for that.  I haven't been buying games lately because there isn't much to buy if you only own a Wii.  I don't want Wii Music or Animal Crossing, Warioland is on my Christmas list because I wanted SOMETHING on it, and while I planned on getting Guiter Hero: World Tour I haven't been able to find the damn thing wth all the instruments yet.

I have been playing a lot of Fire Pro Wrestling Returns for the PS2 though.  I have finally tried out every single character and thus have some idea of everyone's moves and style and thus am ready to go full out with the match maker mode.

I can't believe I'm replying to an Ian post. Not that I read beyond the first few sentences.

Here we go, good things to buy for Wii:

Skate It
Shaun White
De Blob
World Of Goo
Art Style
StrongBad
Tales of Symphonia
Monster Lab
Mega Man 9
Mushroom Men
Deadly Creatures
Little King
VC titles
...others

Now I am totally prepared to ignore your 3 page response.

[D_Average]

Do you guys actually beat all the games you buy? Doesn't seem like there's enough time in the day.

Only if its worthy of my precious time.  Few are.

[EasyCure]

Do you guys actually beat all the games you buy? Doesn't seem like there's enough time in the day.

No.

Double no

I've been going on game shopping sprees, but they're usually used games so i dont talk about them hear much because i'd be like that guy who shows up to school/work and wants to talk about a movie that came out 5 years ago cuz it was exciting, but missed the chance to cuz everyone else has seen it a million times. I'll bring up a game purchase when its relevant, for instance picking up DK Jungle Beat + bongos.

Wii games i rarely get in abundance, obviously because of price, but i've been buying a good amount this generation. It's great to have the money to afford them so often, but i just dont have the time for them so i jump around from title to title. The last game i beat was The Godfather, then i jumped from Okami to Battalion Wars to a laundry list of old GC games, not beating any of them (came close to beating XIII though) and currently i'm jumping between GH:WT and Time Splitters: Future Perfect. Oh and Ikaruga, but i suck at that game and am waiting for my friend to come back to town so we can co-op it (and TS:FP). I thought i "beat" GH:WT last night but i just got the credits and unlocked a bonus tour, so i still have that to do before i can say i've completed it.

The biggest problem (when it comes to beating games) is being a completionist. Its still in the back of my mind that i have to go back and get more stars in Mario Galaxy, even though i beat Bowser/saw the credits. I know theres still a few tracks in ExciteTruck i've yet to get an S on and i need to unlock that one crazy level, and theres characters left to unlock in MK with a few more gold trophies, etc. Even when i beat the damn thing i feel i need to complete it to the fullest before i can stop feeling guilty about putting it down and collecting dust.

Back to buying games, though, I know the rest of this and all of next month i'll be trying my hardest NOT to buy any games, because i need to get my Xmas shopping in. I usually don't wait till this late in the year, but whooops! If i do buy any Wii or DS games, they'll be for my girlfriend, so she's the one that has to worry about finding the time to play/beat the damn thing.

[Caliban]

I have a magic money tree that I grew in my backyard.

Oh I knew it. You're a witch. Kudos.

[Caliban]

Oh I forgot to post something else. I've spent a lot in games in the past 3 months, and there's still a few left to buy until the end of year.
I have time to play most of these games because right now I only work 24 hour weekly shifts at my old part-time job while a procrastinate on looking for a job as a machinist (preferably for CNC).

[Shift Key]

I have a magic money tree that I grew in my backyard.

Oh I knew it. You're a witch. Kudos.

There are ways of knowing if she is a witch...

*insert Monty Python Holy Grail scene here*

[NWR_Lindy]

Do you guys actually beat all the games you buy? Doesn't seem like there's enough time in the day.

No.  But that's not the point.  I just can't help but want to experience new games.

[KDR_11k]

It's a great thing core games give us 20 or more hours of gameplay when we don't even have time for 10, eh?

[D_Average]

It's a great thing core games give us 20 or more hours of gameplay when we don't even have time for 10, eh?

Thats why I haven't picked up Okami, I know I'll never even come close to finishing it, even at the bargain price of $20 on Black Friday.

[Ian Sane]

I beat the games that grab me and compell me to finish.  That's a really special feeling then that happens.  That "F*CK I HAVE TO BEAT THIS GAME RIGHT NOW!!" feeling.  It's when I'll go to work and be thinking about getting home to play more of the game.  My favourite games are these types of games.  Pikmin 1 & 2 were the ultimate games of this type on the Cube for me.

Not beating a game is usually not because of time restraints but because the game doesn't grab me enough to keep at it.  One big problem is that games like Metroid or Zelda will grab me while there is a world to explore but will lose my interest once the last dungeon or boss is all that remains.  At that point the last little bit is like work.  What I was interested in was seeing the whole world, which I've done and (especially with Nintendo) the story isn't interesting enough for me to see what happens.

I buy games in hope of getting the ones that I absolutely must beat.  And even if I don't if it keeps my interest for a long time even without completing it, it's worthwhile.  The important thing is the time I remained interested in it was worth the money.

It's a great thing core games give us 20 or more hours of gameplay when we don't even have time for 10, eh?

It's not about length, it's about depth.  Ikaruga takes 30 minutes from start to finish but the challenge gives it depth so it's worth the money.  Star Fox Adventures is long but boring as hell so it sucks.  A good core game has depth to it.  So even if I only play it for 10 hours I feel I got my money's worth and I can always go back to it if I want.  A non-gamer can bore the sh!t out of me in minutes because it's so low on substance.

[Mario]

I'll beat a game if it's good, and I only buy good games. If it's real good like Disaster i'll start a new file straight away too. I think RE4 was the last game I did that with. There's always time for everything, says the guy making posts on NWR.

[ThePerm]

i dont have a job, i was focused on my last semester of college before i graduated, i've been playing ps3 games my brother bought.

edited:

oh yeah and no new games on wii look like anything better than a piece of crap, i pretty much get that feeling that ian gets, if i gewt this feeling like i must beat the game at all costs then its a good game, some games i play are good, but i get bored with them. i still haven't even beat Brawl. Other games are cube games that didn't give me that drive like for example Prime 2, which was a good quality game, but no drive to beat it.

[KDR_11k]

BTW, Ikaruga doesn't count as core. No, seriously, short, challenge and highscore driven games aren't core. The "new" market is really half driven by arcade-like games, you do things until you hit a high score (the other half is utility programs where scores don't make sense).

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

45 multiplayer hours into Tales so far.

[KDR_11k]

**** NOE!

[DAaaMan64]

Hmm interested, I've never seen no spelled like that.

[KDR_11k]

But have you seen it spelled

DO NOT WANT!

[NWR_Lindy]

BTW, Ikaruga doesn't count as core. No, seriously, short, challenge and highscore driven games aren't core. The "new" market is really half driven by arcade-like games, you do things until you hit a high score (the other half is utility programs where scores don't make sense).

Can't wait to see those Grandmas playing Ikaruga.

[GoldenPhoenix]

BTW, Ikaruga doesn't count as core. No, seriously, short, challenge and highscore driven games aren't core. The "new" market is really half driven by arcade-like games, you do things until you hit a high score (the other half is utility programs where scores don't make sense).

Can't wait to see those Grandmas playing Ikaruga.

Lindy stereotyping seniors. That makes Lindy an elitist.

[KDR_11k]

BTW, Ikaruga doesn't count as core. No, seriously, short, challenge and highscore driven games aren't core. The "new" market is really half driven by arcade-like games, you do things until you hit a high score (the other half is utility programs where scores don't make sense).

Can't wait to see those Grandmas playing Ikaruga.

Not sure about grandmas (at that age your reflexes aren't going to be very good, especially with smaller things like an analog stick) but parents could probably happen as long as they're not opposed to the principle of a game about shooting stuff.

[Ian Sane]

No, seriously, short, challenge and highscore driven games aren't core.

Anything that could use the word "challenge" to describe it, unless the full context is "no challenge" is not non-gamer.

Or a better way to put it - if it came out before 2004 and isn't edutainment there's no way in hell it could ever not be considered a core game because the damn concept of a non-game didn't even exist until the DS.

Ikaruga is like an extreme example of a hardcore game.  It's the sort of game that gamers who play like Halo or Zelda won't necessarily touch because it's too obscure and damn HARD.  It's a SHMUP for Pete's sake.  Who the hell plays SHMUPs these days but the most hardcore devoted gamers?  Back in the days before Iwata introduced the concept of a non-game and anyone who played videogames was a gamer "hardcore game" was a term we used for stuff like Ikaruga.  Non-games dumb themselves down so that everyone COULD like it.  Ikaruga is the type of game designed knowing full well that most people WON'T like it but those that will will like it a lot.  That's pretty much the exact opposite of what Nintendo is going for these days.