Author Topic: Don't buy scam DLC (Read 19518 times)

S-U-P-E-R · « **on:** August 10, 2008, 07:43:21 PM »

In case you guys didn't hear, a lot of the initial DLC for Soul Calibur 4 is already on the game disc (the costume parts, and Darth/Yoda if they decide to charge for them). I really feel like it's a scam since you already paid for the content on the disc that was already created during the game's normal development cycle. I know Namco already has a bit of a rep for shitty DLC, but I'm surprised MS & Sony are letting them get away with this.

Honestly, DLC should be an incentive for developers to create -new- content AFTER they've already finished developing the game. Am I rite guyz??

ShyGuy · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2008, 07:48:27 PM »

Wait, are you offering crackz?

nickmitch · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2008, 08:01:38 PM »

I'm so confused. This is typical Ty, but it's not a funhouse thread. WTF is going on?

Morari · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2008, 08:01:51 PM »

Good developers have never needed incentive to continue supporting their games. Take a look at the likes of Id, Epic, and Blizzard (pre-WoW). They all spent years and years after release fine-tuning gameplay mechanics and often times adding new ones through patches, putting out quality map packs, removing copy protection, and even publicly releasing the source code for the game engines themselves in some instances. Charging money for insignificant **** after the fact is purely an invention of recent console games, only dating back to the Xbox. Microsoft and Sony like it because they get a cut, plain and simple. They don't see anything as part of an audience that they are catering to, only mindless consumers that need marketed to. Sadly, most people seem to prove them correct.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2008, 09:15:37 PM »

Even WoW adds lots of content regularly without any extra charges.

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I'm so confused. This is typical Ty, but it's not a funhouse thread. WTF is going on?

It's not typical Ty, it's a serious post

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2008, 09:31:10 PM »

Umm Ty you do know that Scamco always does 108.0kb unlock keys as DLC. Konami also did this with the 360 DDRs.

Also if you haven't heard the only way to get vader on the 360 version is to pay 10 dollars for a cheat code type of thing (it doesn't even have a unlocking key so far)

ShyGuy · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2008, 10:57:19 PM »

I don't think it's illegal for somebody to crack the code to unlock Vader is it? You don't sign a contract or agree to a EULA before starting SCIV, right? They could claim implied agreement by launching the software but if I recall correctly that has been struck down in court.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2008, 11:10:26 PM »

Well I think each code is unique and on 360 it will be distributed by XBLA.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 11, 2008, 02:48:39 AM »

The worst part is that unlocking all of the costume pieces is an achievement.

It sucks because the create a character mode is the best mode in the whole game, and in order to get the most out of it you have to unlock the costume pieces. And half of them are available through DLC.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #9 on:** August 11, 2008, 03:58:09 AM »

Quote from: ShyGuy on August 10, 2008, 10:57:19 PM

I don't think it's illegal for somebody to crack the code to unlock Vader is it? You don't sign a contract or agree to a EULA before starting SCIV, right? They could claim implied agreement by launching the software but if I recall correctly that has been struck down in court.

They'll probably use the DMCA on you.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #10 on:** August 11, 2008, 06:13:55 AM »

Quote from: S-U-P-E-R on August 10, 2008, 09:15:37 PM

It's not typical Ty, it's a serious post

Isn't "scam DLC" redundant? =3

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #11 on:** August 11, 2008, 10:02:10 AM »

Well Bill DLC is a bigger scam if the content is already on the disc that you paid 60 dollars for.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #12 on:** August 11, 2008, 12:15:09 PM »

I agree that having to pay to unlock stuff is bullsh!t. I remember when the concept of "microtransactions" was introduced there was concern about this sort of thing. And those suspicions were correct. Damn. Being right about bad stuff sucks.

While I can obviously see the financial benefits of making us pay for what we already bought I think games should be moving in the opposite direction. Unlocking stuff sucks. I hate how I'll buy a multiplayer focused game but before I invite my friends over I have to f*ck around for hours unlocking everything. I don't mind having to beat level 1 to get to level 2. That makes sense. But if I buy a racing game why can't all the tracks be available from the get go? If there is a create-a-whatever mode why can't EVERYTHING be available? All this unlocking forces us to play games a specific way but sometimes I don't want to do that. As long as they get my money why do devs give a sh!t if I play every mode or just play one part again and again because I want to? Now money is at stake so it makes sense but why did any company before DLC want me to win all the races in single player before being able to race all those tracks in multiplayer. Why did they ever care?

ThePerm · « **Reply #13 on:** August 11, 2008, 01:14:40 PM »

lol thats one thing i thought about soul caliburs create a player, unlocking stuff for the mode is bullshit, theres too few options for me to really be creative anyways..they miss the point..if i ever create a game the create a player will be THE BEST. There won't be a way you can't create anyone.

nickmitch · « **Reply #14 on:** August 11, 2008, 02:44:15 PM »

Quote from: S-U-P-E-R on August 10, 2008, 09:15:37 PM

Even WoW adds lots of content regularly without any extra charges.

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I'm so confused. This is typical Ty, but it's not a funhouse thread. WTF is going on?
It's not typical Ty, it's a serious post

You can MAKE those?!? O_o

matt oz · « **Reply #15 on:** August 11, 2008, 03:22:09 PM »

When I rented Beautiful Katamari on the 360, I was surprised that some of the achievements weren't attainable without downloading new levels. So I downloaded one for the hell of it, and all it did was unlock a new level that was already in the game. That's when I understood why everyone calls them Scamco.

The only way it'll stop is if gamers stop buying them. But since gamers are the most masochistic consumers out there, that'll never happen, and we'll probably see more and more companies selling keys to unlock content that you've already bought.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 12, 2008, 02:13:11 AM »

Quote from: Ian Sane on August 11, 2008, 12:15:09 PM

I agree that having to pay to unlock stuff is bullsh!t. I remember when the concept of "microtransactions" was introduced there was concern about this sort of thing. And those suspicions were correct. Damn. Being right about bad stuff sucks.

While I can obviously see the financial benefits of making us pay for what we already bought I think games should be moving in the opposite direction. Unlocking stuff sucks. I hate how I'll buy a multiplayer focused game but before I invite my friends over I have to f*ck around for hours unlocking everything. I don't mind having to beat level 1 to get to level 2. That makes sense. But if I buy a racing game why can't all the tracks be available from the get go? If there is a create-a-whatever mode why can't EVERYTHING be available? All this unlocking forces us to play games a specific way but sometimes I don't want to do that. As long as they get my money why do devs give a sh!t if I play every mode or just play one part again and again because I want to? Now money is at stake so it makes sense but why did any company before DLC want me to win all the races in single player before being able to race all those tracks in multiplayer. Why did they ever care?

The way I see it, unlocking stuff is a cheap way to extend the game's replayability and gives players an objective in order to keep playing.

Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 did this perfectly; you unlocked new stuff as you played, whether it was single or multiplayer.

My issue with unlocking stuff is that its sometimes a chore, or you have to accomplish some insane stuff before you can unlock it. Brawl is guilty of this. I had to endure the crappy SSE mode just to unlock the last characters.

If you have to unlock content and bonus features the developers should make it fun, and to an extend easy.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2008, 02:26:13 AM »

The best scam game is a Japanese only game called Aquazone, basically when you start the game you have an empty aquarium. The only way to get fish in your aquarium is to buy DLC unlock keys of fish that are already included in the disc. The total amount of DLC was worth 5,000 MS points ($62.50 in USD) to get all the fish and the only way to get 1,000 achievement points (480 max without any DLC). And if anyone asks this game is basically tamogatchi except in an aquarium.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 12, 2008, 02:42:36 AM »

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on August 12, 2008, 02:26:13 AM

The best scam game is a Japanese only game called Aquazone, basically when you start the game you have an empty aquarium. The only way to get fish in your aquarium is to buy DLC unlock keys of fish that are already included in the disc. The total amount of DLC was worth 5,000 MS points ($62.50 in USD) to get all the fish and the only way to get 1,000 achievement points (480 max without any DLC). And if anyone asks this game is basically tamogatchi except in an aquarium.

And people complain about that WiiWare aquarium game being stupid (its priced at 5 bucks, and you get all of the content from day one).

nickmitch · « **Reply #19 on:** August 12, 2008, 04:23:08 AM »

It's still a fucking aquarium game.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #20 on:** August 12, 2008, 06:56:07 AM »

Wait, 480 archievement points without DLC when you can't even do anything in the game without DLC?

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #21 on:** August 12, 2008, 08:41:02 PM »

Most of the stuff in Final Fantasy: My Life as a King on Wii is already in the main game too, and you pay to unlock it as well. You can get it for free by hex editing your gamesave even.

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 12, 2008, 11:42:01 PM »

fortunately, I got it free by not enjoying the game that much.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #23 on:** August 13, 2008, 05:06:18 AM »

I got it for mostly free because I used stars to pay for those VC points.

redgiemental · « **Reply #24 on:** August 13, 2008, 08:42:43 AM »

Well I was on the fence about whether to get this game. This has decided it. This game shall remain off my 360 and Namco won't be getting any money for any DLC from me ever!

DLC done right is the TNA game coming out. THe roster of wrestlers is constantly evolving and a new guy could be intensely popular not long after release. The developers have said they would be open to adding new wrestlers to the game after release. This I have no problem with buying. It wasn't included in the game because the wrestler wasn't there or wasn't important at the time and now that he is they are creating him and releasing him online.

This is a good use of DLC. This Soul Calibur BS is just asking customers to pay more to get the full game.

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Author Topic: Don't buy scam DLC (Read 19518 times)