Topic: E3 2008: Has it caused you to seriously consider ditching Nintendo all together?

[AV]

I am SERIOUSLY PISSED OFF.
I really get the sense that Nintendo with this E3 is saying "We don't need hardcore gamers anymore." and Reggie is thinking " Wiisports and Wiiplay has outsold Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime, why even waste millions on making a quality game when casuals will buy crap."

I waited in line 12 hours before Wii Launch in the cold to get my Launch Console. I was so excited and happy and for the first part of this year I was happy. Once summer came and not much new to play and not much on the horizon I started to get upset. Virtual Console and Wiiware have proven to be a massive disappointment lately and it seems like any complaining I do they tell me to **** off.

This is how its been.

Hardcore gamer: " I want to buy more VC games but I don't have more room"
Nintendo: "Shut up, just delete the old games and re-download them. It's your own fault."

Hardcore gamer: " Can you please post some good quality VC and Wiiwae games?"
Nintendo " **** You. More games like SPOGS racing and more garbage VC nobody cares about."

Hardcore gamer " I like mp3 support in ExcitTruck I want more games to use it."
Nintendo " Oh really ok I'll make sure no future games ever give you that option."

At first it seemed like neglect, but its more like actual abuse now.

I'm probably not going to sell my Wii, but now I am going to save up money for a 360 and maybe buy one with extra Finical Aid. However I haven't been this pissed off since pac Man vs.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Best E3 ever.  Everyone looking forward to it got serv'd/rickrolled.

E3 is not about serving the hardcore.  That's the journalists' job.

[Flames_of_chaos]

I like how your portraying your hobby as a love hate romance full of bitter emo tears with a company that is just out to make money.

Im sure your not the only one who stood out in the cold to get a Wii, I waited a few hours as well and it's worth it. The Wii has the most diverse game library when you compare it to 360 and PS3 so I'm happy with it, I can understand how some are frustrated with Nintendo's showing but hey the Wii is bringing in a different experience and for that I'm glad. Motion plus looks really nice and promising since it combines the Wii remotes internal accelerometer with the gyroscope attachment and you can never forget the pointer, Wii motion plus is getting a lot of praise already. Wii speak is a nice solution to voice chat and you wont be cluttered with a dozen of different headsets. Animal Crossing is shaping nice with DS, USB keyboard, Wii Speak, FREE DLC. Wii music sounds perfect for those people who want to play a music game but doesn't want to feel bad sucking at Rock Band or Guitar Hero or even who wants more free range in a music game and not be bound to a specific note chart. GTA:Chinatown Wars was a pleasant surprise and the official site supports the wifi logo so who knows how that can turn out.

Edit: But E3 as a whole is just a mess, by now it would be better for companies to have their own events, media summits and whatever they want to call it.

[Stogi]

Nintendo needs to bring back.........

what was it? game world or something?

[SixthAngel]

E3 is no longer a huge event with giant crowds and half naked girls.  It will never go back to the old way again, it is just small show now that gets some main stream journalists attention.  But no, Nintendo needs to come to you at every single opportunity on bended knee.

Something worth complaining about is the fact that you got enough extra financial aid to buy a 360.  If you are spending it on a 360 they obviously overestimated your level of need.

[Flames_of_chaos]

Nintendo needs to bring back.........

what was it? game world or something?

Punch out!!! especially with WiiMotion+

You mean Space World

[ShyGuy]

None of those options apply to me.

[DAaaMan64]

E3 is no longer a huge event with giant crowds and half naked girls.  It will never go back to the old way again, it is just small show now that gets some main stream journalists attention.  But no, Nintendo needs to come to you at every single opportunity on bended knee.

Something worth complaining about is the fact that you got enough extra financial aid to buy a 360.  If you are spending it on a 360 they obviously overestimated your level of need.

LOL that does sound rather immoral Mr. Adolph Vega. Especially considering the current economical conditions may be keeping me out of school after all...

[Stogi]

To take IceCold's tier method of gaming

Metroid Prime 3
Twilight Princess
Okami

Mario Galaxy
No More Heroes
Zack and Wiki

Mario Strikers
Brawl
MarioKart

Resident Evil 4
Trauma Center: New Blood
Pro Evolution Soccer

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Why are people complaining about the Wii? (If you take out RE and Okami, you still have a damn good list of games)

[NWR_insanolord]

To take IceCold's tier method of gaming

Metroid Prime 3
Twilight Princess
Okami

Mario Galaxy
No More Heroes
Zack and Wiki

Mario Strikers
Brawl
MarioKart

Resident Evil 4
Trauma Center: New Blood
Pro Evolution Soccer

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Why are people complaining about the Wii? (If you take out RE and Okami, you still have a damn good list of games)

I'd rearrange that a bit (I don't think I'd have Strikers and Brawl in the Same Tier, Galaxy would definitely be top tier) but all the games on that list that I've played deserve to be there.  The Wii so far has been, at least in my opinion, quite a bit better than the GameCube, and I have no problem if Nintendo wants to use some of their development teams to try and expand the gaming audience.

[Chozo Ghost]

Wii Motion Plus helps mitigate the lack of game announcements. Plus, you guys got to keep in mind that:

1) E3 isn't over yet.

2) E3 is no where near as big as it used to be, and will likely never be that big again. So you can't expect all major announcements to be packed into this one event like they used to be.

[KDR_11k]

Why the **** do some words get censored? I'm fairly sure I disabled that. Or do people just write a series of asterisks?

Reggie is thinking " Wiisports and Wiiplay has outsold Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime, why even waste millions on making a quality game when casuals will buy crap."

Yeah, because Wii Sports and Wii Play are examples of crap games.

Hardcore gamer " I like mp3 support in ExcitTruck I want more games to use it."
Nintendo " Oh really ok I'll make sure no future games ever give you that option."

Try playing Endless Ocean. Oh, right, that's a crap game according to the allmighty Mr. Adolf Vega Review Board.


E3 is no longer the be-all-end-all of game announcements and really, not all games need to be revealed on the E3 anyway. If there hadn't been an E3 there would be no whining now.

[Plugabugz]

Look at it like this, what's Retro doing? NST? Monolith? n-space? EAD Tokyo? They aren't all at starbucks eating pizzas.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Boohoo. Nice to see you completely taking the worse of the VC and putting it as if it is the majority.

So far we have had Lost Winds, Final Fantasy Life as a King, Gyrostar, and Toki Tori all within what, two months? Have you even bothered to see the crap they release on Xbox Live Arcade? It is really no different. The point of WiiWare is to allow developers of all kinds to develop games.

[GoldenPhoenix]

KDR makes a good point about E3, not only that it is quite clear the last couple of E3s has been centered around mainstream media coverage. Nintendo has changed this particular event into an avenue to get a hold of the mainstream crowd, and it has WORKED. Now will that continue with this particular conference? Not sure, but that does not negate the fact that Nintendo sees E3 now as their main media valve for the casual gaming community.

It should NOT be indictative of their development mindset beyond that they are focusing resources on making casual games. Nintendo is HUGE and it is quite obvious they have other stuff brewing, just because it wasn't shown at their "casual gamer" event doesn't mean they don't care about it.

It is amazing how soon people forget, don't you recall oh, let's say later last year and early this year we received 4 HUGE franchises? Is it that earth shattering that this year may not be chalk full of tons of Nintendo traditional titles? Now if next year they don't have anything planned to come out then I'd be worried, but right now it makes freaken sense. Or would you rather them throw garbage games out onto the market to satisfy the so called hardcore fans? Games take time to develop even with a company as big as Nintendo.

How about for this season you enjoy some of the promising 3rd party titles? Now will all of them turn out to be great? Nah, but there should be at least a couple of gems in there. I know I'm looking forward to Deadly Creatures, SPRay, and even Clone Wars if it turns out fine. Not only that but we have deBlob, along with some multiplatform games that may actually have features in them that makes buying a particular version tough like Force Unleashed, Madden, Tiger Woods, and Call of Duty.

This is the first year where we are actually getting a few promising 3rd party games and yet people are still whining because Nintendo doesn't have anything huge for the traditional gamesr? This holiday season actually has an opening for 3rd party games to shine, so shouldn't that be a good thing if they are quality titles? We, as gamers, have a chance to push for third party support this holiday season, isn't that exciting in itself?

Are we really that snooty that having 4 of Nintendo's biggest franchises within a year and a half isn't good enough, but is in fact so horrific we are crying? I remember back in the N64 days when we were lucky to get 2 great games a year from Nintendo. Have we grown so spoiled now that we forget that?

[Dasmos]

Confirmation of a Pikmin Wii is all I needed to hear to be satisfied. Anything else is just a bonus. Also Dead Rising coming to Wii was a pleasant surprise too.

LOL forgot that was Famitsu.

Why the **** do some words get censored? I'm fairly sure I disabled that. Or do people just write a series of asterisks?

Some people just asterisk their swear words instead of writing them. It's not the word filters fault if people are fucking **** dicks.

[Mario]

Kororinpa 2 has been announced. If you really are a hardcore gamer, you'll keep your Wii for that. Nintendo has their own schedule now. They don't care enough about one particular event to spend time preparing for it, we'll see trailers of Pikmin, Mario, Zelda whatever, when they are ready to be shown.

Guess what the big 08 titles are? Mario Kart and Smash Bros Brawl. Go play them. You play games right?

I believe mr topic starter is a plant or a joke account. Considering buying a 360 after that, completely ignoring MSs awful showing? Yeah right.

[Plugabugz]

I'M GOING TO REBEL AND BUY A BUS PASS

TAKE THAT NINTENDO

[GoldenPhoenix]

I'M GOING TO REBEL AND BUY A BUS PASS

TAKE THAT NINTENDO

Nintendo is hurting so badly after that they have decided to announce 30 hardcorez games before E3 is over.

[Nick DiMola]

The most exciting announcements for "hardcore" gamers came after the conference. Nintendo is localizing Rhythm Tengoku, that's awesome. They are also working on a new Pikmin, and Iwata said the Mario and Zelda teams are working on projects for THIS generation.

Sure Nintendo went casual happy at the press conference and it was totally unexciting, but there are still things going on in the background. Also keep in mind 2 things:

1) Nintendo blew their load ... hard. We have sequels to just about every single major Nintendo series out on the Wii right now.
2) Nintendo seems to have this mantra now where they don't announce games unless they are right around the corner.

With this is in mind, hang tight buddy, Nintendo still has plenty to satisfy you.

[Spak-Spang]

I think E3 did this to themselves.  Look at all the press conferences...and notice that there wasn't really any exciting new announcements from anyone.  Sure there was Final Fantasy 13 for the 360...but we already knew that game existed, just for the PS3.

E3 changed for the better...but when they did the refocus, it meant it became more about industry news again...and less about games.

Going to the Nintendo Press conference, I thought what they announced was cool, and meant big changes for Nintendo.  Voice Chat in Games, new controller, it all sounded fun.  But, then Motionplus wasn't going to be available until next year.  That stung because it meant all the games we were hoping to use it won't. 

I seriously, don't mind Nintendo focusing on the casual market...it is what is making Nintendo the biggest money right now, and giving them the positive press and such.  Do I wish there was more...yes, but I can wait...specially if the games weren't ready to show. 

I do feel Nintendo is lacking in that big holiday season game...but I also know they just haven't announced it yet.  And there are some great 3rd party games to be excited about. 

[SixthAngel]

I'M GOING TO REBEL AND BUY A BUS PASS

TAKE THAT NINTENDO

You're falling right into their trap!  Its all a part of their plan to sell more DS's now until suddenly they release the megaton "Super Mario Busrider."

[Flames_of_chaos]

Also I highly doubt Iwata wants to repeat the Brawl and Metroid Prime 3 hell even Twilight Princess mistake, remember how they were supposed to be launch titles and then the release dates kept getting fumbled around. I highly doubt they want to present something that is going to get fumbled around with release dates or wont come for more than 9 months.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I hope n-space gets to use the Quantum 3 engine.

[Bill Aurion]

I think that there’s probably one other element to it, and that’s that our view of how we use E3 has changed. For a very long time, E3 was an event where — and certainly Nintendo included — catered specifically to the core gamer. Now we look at more … an opportunity for us to introduce new concepts and new types of play that we intend to bring to the broader audience, particularly because of the media that gathers at E3 now.

So while attending an E3 event like this, they might be given the impression that Nintendo is no longer focusing on the games that appeal to the core gamer, in fact we’re still working on many of those titles, but it’s just not the type of event where we’ll be showcasing that anymore.

E3 disappointing for the most part?  Yes...The end of the ****ing world?  No, so please chill out...